Herr Doktor Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Lol Konz was a late 2nd round pick almost 3 rd round. He was originally brought in for RG which played decent at it at times his rookie year. Year 2 came and we threw him at C and he was not ready. Many Cs drafted play G 1-3 yrs before the move. Not all , but a lot.Hawley was a 4th round pick who's always been pretty much a solid G/C. He played really well last year which was his first real chance. McClure was never going to be benched so Hawley had no shot and after drafting Konz who was a higher pick got the priority. Once called upon he delivered. What's not to get?Stop it bro, you're making sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorball12106 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Sorry, you already lost. He signed, he'll start, eat crow anytime you'd like to start... ha ha , lost what ?? ... And we will have to wait till camp to see who starts sparky .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 ha ha , lost what ?? ... And we will have to wait till camp to see who starts sparky ....Just thought I'd get my nanny nanny boo boo in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Exactly what atljbo said. He is then a backup that we can cut after year 1. That 2 mill isn't going to hurt us for 1 year.And I would be ecstatic if Konz won, then that means the 2nd rounder wasn't a waste. That would make Peyton happy as well. Lol.But it defeats the purpose in paying him starting $$$$$.The only reason I think he gets that $$$$$ is because of the rumoured interest from other teams.Its a classic example of over paying a guy in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I dont think theres any reason to be upset about the money. We still have enough cap room where we could have made a move for any given free agent that got signed somewhere else. We simply chose not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Looks like TD is bound and determined to overpay for every FA he signs .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 How is this over paying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 How is this over paying?They paid him like a dependable starting Center. He hasn't earned that. In fact, he should be competing for the starting spot. I hope he is worth every penny, but we could have signed someone with years of quality starting play on tape for similar money.Here's what Ian Rapoport calls a "very solid deal for a starting offensive lineman":The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have signed offensive lineman Evan Dietrich-Smith, the team has announced. According to Ian Rapoport, it's a four-year deal with $14.25 million in total value, which is a very solid deal for a starting offensive lineman. Adam Caplan notes it has $7.25 million in guaranteed money -- presumably the first two years of salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 But it defeats the purpose in paying him starting $$$$$.The only reason I think he gets that $$$$$ is because of the rumoured interest from other teams.Its a classic example of over paying a guy in my eyes.Starter money???Hawley made 1 million last year and he played better so naturally with inflation and an increase in play he would make more.His cap hit this year is 2 million. That's not a huge jump. If you were paid $100 and did a better job than before and progressed from when you were a rookie, then wouldn't you believe you should get paid more?We paid Hawley a WHOPPING $1 million more than what we paid him last year. That ranks about 12th in the league and that's because some of the better Centers below him are on rookie contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I know we are penny pinchers but geez. Lol! As for why he never started before...its probably because we had a vet starting named Todd McClure that just retired. Hawley was supposed to be the replacement but he didn't play well his 1st 3 years and we had just spent a 2nd round pick on Konz so of course it makes sense for Konz to be given the opportunity. Hawley got another chance and capitalized and he got MARGINALLY rewarded for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 So $1 million is chump change? I'd like some chump change.In the context of our subject, yes it is.To me and you, no it isn't but come on man I shouldn't have to tell you that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 So $1 million is chump change? I'd like some chump change.4th year vet minimum is $730k, so yes, in the NFL world $1 million is chump change... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I wonder if the people saying that Hawley is making 2 mil this year because that is what his cap hit is will be saying that he is making 4 mil next year when that is what his cap hit is. In actuality, he is making 3 mil this year and 3 mil next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Total Package Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 We are not paying him 2 mil, we are paying him 3. That is like a Taint fan saying the aren't paying Byrd 9 mil, they are only paying him 3.5. The salary hits the cap sooner or later no matter how you structure the contract.So we could have had Detrich-Smith for 3.5, and even DeLaPuente is still out that there and won't cost more than that. But we give 3 to Hawley why? Please don't tell me Hawley is better than them.Really am sick of arguing about Hawley but the way TD and company handled this one just really irks me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Here's our "solid center" getting thrown like a rag doll:As for Konz, he has a LOT of work to do. I'm not holding my breath.Man, this gif cracks me up every time!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yall are hilarious. The got a 1yr $3MM contract essentially. If he performs, he gets another 1yr $3MM contract. If not, we save $3MM and cut him. At 25 and having shown promise, it's a fair contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 But it defeats the purpose in paying him starting $$$$$.The only reason I think he gets that $$$$$ is because of the rumoured interest from other teams.Its a classic example of over paying a guy in my eyes.Hawley was rated bottom of top ten in FA centers by more than one grader- once you get past Mack and a couple of others, Hawley is a nice combination of youth and price.They're paying him 3 mil to either be the starting center or be the back up for the guards and center- either position is worth paying 3 mil for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) I wonder if the people saying that Hawley is making 2 mil this year because that is what his cap hit is will be saying that he is making 4 mil next year when that is what his cap hit is. In actuality, he is making 3 mil this year and 3 mil next year.Huh? You're moving the REALITY to match your argument.Reality is he is making 2 mill this year. Why are we talking about next year when he can just as easily be cut and NOT make that 4 mill you discussed?In actuality and reality Hawley is making 2 mill this year.If he makes it to next year, then he will be making 4 mill next year. I have no problem saying that because at that point it will have been shown that he is the right man for the job. Even if he only plays marginally, then it is still possible to cut bait. Edited March 15, 2014 by ATLFalcons11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 We are not paying him 2 mil, we are paying him 3. That is like a Taint fan saying the aren't paying Byrd 9 mil, they are only paying him 3.5. The salary hits the cap sooner or later no matter how you structure the contract.So we could have had Detrich-Smith for 3.5, and even DeLaPuente is still out that there and won't cost more than that. But we give 3 to Hawley why? Please don't tell me Hawley is better than them.Really am sick of arguing about Hawley but the way TD and company handled this one just really irks me.All everybody is worried about is cap hit. We are paying him 2 mill. It's really quite simple. I still don't understand the logic of counting next year when he could be cut. I keep saying this but everybody against Hawley is looking at his 1st 3 years and not last year. Last year he played well and got a "SUBSTANTIAL" 1 mill dollar raise because. Terrible, just terrible. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Ravens saw enough progress in him to want to sign him. That is significant because the Ravens Center was TERRIBLE last year. He was much worst than Hawley and the Ravens were looking at Hawley as their replacement. What they would have paid him? Idk, but with De La Puente and all other Centers out there....the Ravens went after Hawley and have YET to sign a Center that they desperately need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorball12106 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Ravens saw enough progress in him to want to sign him. That is significant because the Ravens Center was TERRIBLE last year. He was much worst than Hawley and the Ravens were looking at Hawley as their replacement. What they would have paid him? Idk, but with De La Puente and all other Centers out there....the Ravens went after Hawley and have YET to sign a Center that they desperately need. all this talk about a below average , backup center . Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Huh? You're moving the REALITY to match your argument.Reality is he is making 2 mill this year. Why are we talking about next year when he can just as easily be cut and NOT make that 4 mill you discussed?In actuality and reality Hawley is making 2 mill this year.....sorry, but you obviously don't understand how signing bonuses work. Hawley gets a 1mil in salary this year AND a 2 mil signing bonus, for a total of 3 mil cash. For salary cap purposes, the bonus is prorated-split up- between the years of the contract, so that the cap hit is lowered to 2 mil this year, but Hawley gets the 3 mil this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 sorry, but you obviously don't understand how signing bonuses work. Hawley gets a 1mil in salary this year AND a 2 mil signing bonus, for a total of 3 mil cash. For salary cap purposes, the bonus is prorated-split up- between the years of the contract, so that the cap hit is lowered to 2 mil this year, but Hawley gets the 3 mil this year.True statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 All everybody is worried about is cap hit. We are paying him 2 mill. It's really quite simple.I still don't understand the logic of counting next year when he could be cut.I keep saying this but everybody against Hawley is looking at his 1st 3 years and not last year. Last year he played well and got a "SUBSTANTIAL" 1 mill dollar raise because. Terrible, just terrible. LolYou should cut out of this thread while you still have a shred of dignity lol. Just messin. You are way wrong here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Sorry fellas I didn't see the bonus. My bad. I admit I was dead wrong Edited March 15, 2014 by ATLFalcons11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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