youngbloodz Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 No way dude, I'm sorry, but you are mightily fooling yourself if you think a 4-12 team has the luxury of picking the best player available...That model of thinking only works for teams with stacked rosters like Seattle or SF.We have pressing, absolutely undeniable needs across the OL -- Imagine if Asamoah went down, or Baker, who I hate to say is our best OL, god that is depressing.We'd be so much worse than we were last year and TD and Smith know that Blank isn't willing to put up with nonsense like that again in 2014.we have to pick bpa at a need. That's the way teams should draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 You can say that about any position.QB? lol.I disagree. My train of thought is that if I'm building an NFL team in 2014 from the ground up, I'm getting my hands on an elite passing QB and an elite LT (assuming QB is a righty).I believe those two positions are undeniably imperative to fill with elite guys or you need an incredible 2000 Ravens/2013 Seattle like defense to win you games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Smartest thing to do is draft the best player @ 6. Think elite pass rusher and elite Otackle are pretty equal needs right now.If you draft the elite pass rusher, Ryan's job becomes easier because he won't have to score as many points.If you assume Sam Baker will stay healthy and effective throughout the season and that Holmes will develop into an adequate replacement, Ryan's job becomes easier because he will be able to just buzz the nurse's station whenever his sippy cup gets low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) we have to pick bpa at a need. That's the way teams should draftSo say Mack, Clowney, Robinson, Matthews are all gone we're supposed to draft the best FS on the board at #6?I'm sorry man, you're wrong.Also, using the word, "should," in the NFL is an evil no GM can afford to bet the house on... Edited March 12, 2014 by Radiohead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I truly don't know enough about either to weigh in on that, but I'm happy with either.Robinson could be great if he ever learns how to pass block. Not sure I want to burn a #6 overall to find out if that actually happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 So say Mack, Clowney, Robinson, Matthews are all gone we're supposed to draft the best FS on the board at #6?I'm sorry man, you're wrong.OT is a need. DE is a need OLB is a need. So actually you are wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 No way dude, I'm sorry, but you are mightily fooling yourself if you think a 4-12 team has the luxury of picking the best player available...That model of thinking only works for teams with stacked rosters like Seattle or SF.We have pressing, absolutely undeniable needs across the OL -- Imagine if Asamoah went down, or Baker, who I hate to say is our best OL, god that is depressing.We'd be so much worse than we were last year and TD and Smith know that Blank isn't willing to put up with nonsense like that again in 2014.And your mistake is thinking that there won't be a really good OT at pick 38. Don't need elite OTs so much as competent ones- Holmes and Schreader may become that, Baker may return to health, the OT at pick 38 [36?] can become one.I'm thinking that the Falcons will pick up a veteran OT in FA after the dust settles, which give them the luxury of taking BPA @ 6.Falcons certainly could take an OT @6, I'm not even arguing that they shouldn't, just that there's no guarantee they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 OT is a need. DE is a need OLB is a need. So actually you are wrongYou didn't answer my question, if those 4 guys are gone, who are considered amongst the Top 3 at their positions are gone, we just draft OL/DL/DB at complete random assignment of whomever ranks highest on TD's board.You don't think their is a heavier weight placed on obtaining an OT over every other position on this football team?You're just wrong dude, accept it. Every single team weighs players and ranks them, ambivalent to their position, of course, but if you think they don't also make a ranking of importance of positions of need, you're wrong and I can almost guarantee you OT is #1 on that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) And your mistake is thinking that there won't be a really good OT at pick 38. Don't need elite OTs so much as competent ones- Holmes and Schreader may become that, Baker may return to health, the OT at pick 38 [36?] can become one.I'm thinking that the Falcons will pick up a veteran OT in FA after the dust settles, which give them the luxury of taking BPA @ 6.Falcons certainly could take an OT @6, I'm not even arguing that they shouldn't, just that there's no guarantee they will.I think you get #6 value with Grob or Matthews. After that if they're gone, go BPA at position of strongest need. Edited March 12, 2014 by HASHBROWN3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Don't need elite OTs so much as competent ones- Holmes and Schreader may become that, Baker may return to health, the OT at pick 38 [36?] can become one.LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 We have to remember AB ain't playing around with his desire to fix these trenches. It's first order of biz with TD and Asamoah is only the first move on Oline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) I'm getting the feeling that a few of you were not tuned into the same offensive football team I was last season.The offensive line was absolutely atrocious. There is no excuse to not address nearly every position on that line through either the draft or FA to at least provide some competition.It was embarassing and everyone knows it.Furthermore, teams were not afraid at all to line up across our O-line, in fact, they reveled in it because nearly every squad the opposing team lined up on the DL across from the Falcons dominated the line of scrimmage every play. Edited March 12, 2014 by Radiohead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Who WOULD like Holmes at this current point in time? Clearly someone like you who apparently wants our 100M QB maimed or killed???Be a Falcons fan, not Holmes' only fan.a yes I say something positive about a player no one wants here and my fan hood is question, I love ppl who question others fan hood, who are you to question it?.. yes I support Holmes cuz he is a falcon, I,support every falcon player cuz they are falcons until they no longer are with the team, at that point I got nothing good or bad to say about the player just good luck, I'm all about the team not the players. Was Ryan killed? He seems pretty alive and healthy to me right about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 You didn't answer my question, if those 4 guys are gone, who are considered amongst the Top 3 at their positions are gone, we just draft OL/DL/DB at complete random assignment of whomever ranks highest on TD's board.You don't think their is a heavier weight placed on obtaining an OT over every other position on this football team?You're just wrong dude, accept it. Every single team weighs players and ranks them, ambivalent to their position, of course, but if you think they don't also make a ranking of importance of positions of need, you're wrong and I can almost guarantee you OT is #1 on that list.OT could be the number 1 priority on this team in the draft. Or it could be a pass rusher. Only the front office knows. No free safety is amongst the top 6 players available. So your orginial reply to me holds no merit. TD probably has Sammy Watkins above all FS. I wouldn't want Sammy at 6. If by some miracle Clowney and Robinson fall to 6 I am willing to bet anything TD picks Clowney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 We have to remember AB ain't playing around with his desire to fix these trenches. It's first order of biz with TD and Asamoah is only the first move on Oline.Thank you dude, voice of reason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 As much as I like Mack, I have to admit that OT is the way to go in the first. Baker is not reliable.Holmes may never develop into a starter.Carimi and Schraeder are strictly RT material.After the first round, there are no prospects that can confidently be considered LT starters.We need a better pass rush, but we have 3-4 OLB's on the roster: Mass and Maponga.The stouter DL will tie up blockers and allow the LB's to make plays behind the line.There is a decent chance that players like Attaochu and Ford will drop to the #38 pick. Late free agency may provide excellent pass rushers at a reasonable price. When you look at the probabilities of filling positions, you come to the conclusion that our best path is to draft out future LT at #6.Man I don't no bro I think Antonio Richardson is pretty darn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 a yes I say something positive about a player no one wants here and my fan hood is question, I love ppl who question others fan hood, who are you to question it?.. yes I support Holmes cuz he is a falcon, I,support every falcon player cuz they are falcons until they no longer are with the team, at that point I got nothing good or bad to say about the player just good luck, I'm all about the team not the players.Was Ryan killed? He seems pretty alive and healthy to me right about now.Give me a break man.Ryan got annihilated out there week in and week out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm getting the feeling that a few of you were not tuned into the same offensive football team I was last season.The offensive line was absolutely atrocious. There is no excuse to not address nearly every position on that line through either the draft or FA to at least provide some competition.It was embarassing and everyone knows it.And I get the impression you have no idea how much difference a solid RG is going to make. Give Ryan a pocket and the tackles are much easier to deal with- RB/FB/TE can help with a tackle, not nearly as much with the interior positions.The Oline is much better right now than it was at any time last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 We have to remember AB ain't playing around with his desire to fix these trenches. It's first order of biz with TD and Asamoah is only the first move on Oline.the trenches mean offensive AND defensive line. Not just offensive line. TD could pick Clowney at 6 and who would be mad at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 OT could be the number 1 priority on this team in the draft. Or it could be a pass rusher. Only the front office knows. No free safety is amongst the top 6 players available. So your orginial reply to me holds no merit. TD probably has Sammy Watkins above all FS. I wouldn't want Sammy at 6. If by some miracle Clowney and Robinson fall to 6 I am willing to bet anything TD picks Clowney.All I was trying to do was to illustrate that you dont draft BPA. No one does.You rank players on a board, then you rank positions.We have dire needs on the OL and OT is #1 in need for the position board.Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 the trenches mean offensive AND defensive line. Not just offensive line. TD could pick Clowney at 6 and who would be mad at thatArthur Blank would be!He just spent over $100 Million on MATT RYAN.You think AB is going to stand to watch his second 100 million dollar QB take another beating like he did last year so that TD can take a complete and total risk on a guy who plays when he wants to...You're friggin nuts bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 And I get the impression you have no idea how much difference a solid RG is going to make. Give Ryan a pocket and the tackles are much easier to deal with- RB/FB/TE can help with a tackle, not nearly as much with the interior positions.The Oline is much better right now than it was at any time last year.Oh my god, by adding one Guard this O-line is much better than last year?!God man, you guys do not understand how an offensive line works, clearly.It is about cohesion of talent.Not only was there a huge gap of talent, but there was no cohesion at all.-- At times, it felt like 3/5 guys had no idea what the **** they were trying to do out there.Plugging in 1, hopefully, solid OG is not going to fix that. You need to bring in a wealth of talent and have them play it out in training camp and gel together as a squad so that they know WTF they are trying to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Give me a break man.Ryan got annihilated out there week in and week out....that wasn't directed towards you, you've made valid points in your arguments, that was more towards someone questioning my fan hood,Yea Ryan got sacked more than ever in his career, he also lost 2 of his weapons from the start. And was playing behind a very similar line that he has played behind his whole career, I agree we need to upgrade the Oline I still just don't believe it'll be with the 1st pick, we are more likely targeting a true RT in the 2nd-3rd Rou ds as opposed to a LT(Matthews) who is better suited for LT(won't play that here) Robinson(who is a project) that's who u want protecting Ryan another project? People need to understand the LT spot is going to go to Baker or Holmes. I just personally think it'll be Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 All I was trying to do was to illustrate that you dont draft BPA. No one does.You rank players on a board, then you rank positions.We have dire needs on the OL and OT is #1 in need for the position board.Period.BPA at a POSITION OF NEED. And unless you are in the front office you dont know what TD has as the number 1 need for the Falcons. He could have the pass rush as his number 1 need. And let's say OT was the number 1 need. If Robinson is gone and it's between Jake Matthews and Jadeveon Clowney you go with BPA since both players play at a position of need. You won't find many people to say Jake is better than Clowney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson's Finest Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 The draft can't come soon enough in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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