Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Matthews mid tier athelete and compare him to Baker athletic wise ? GTFO you never watched him play then . Manziel is a QB that is on the move a lot that help and hurt Matthews at times but Matthews is light years ahead of Baker in footwork and techqnique and being a much much better athleteThe combine is normally used to measure a players athleticism. The only field where he was clearly better than Baker in was the 40 yard dash, which is a useless measurement for O-linemen. Beyond that he's weaker and has basically the same arm length. Then you consider the tape which makes all of this clear. There is a reason why most front offices are rumored to rank him #3 among OTs.Sorry I respect real scoutsCool. Real scouts said similar players like Joeckel and Fisher could cut it out at RT as well while everyone else expected them to fail miserably there. But they're real scouts so who cares if their experiments at RT ended disastrously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaRdH3ad Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Lol to dudes comparing Matthews to baker. & yeah let's get Greg Robinson & worry about Matt getting killed on every passing down with his raw, grabby, hugging, self. Matthews is plug & play. I wouldn't mid Greg Robinson but we would have to take him out on every passing play. Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaRdH3ad Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 The combine is normally used to measure a players athleticism. The only field where he was clearly better than Baker in was the 40 yard dash, which is a useless measurement for O-linemen. Beyond that he's weaker and has basically the same arm length. Then you consider the tape which makes all of this clear. There is a reason why most front offices are rumored to rank him #3 among OTs.Cool. Real scouts said similar players like Joeckel and Fisher could cut it out at RT as well while everyone else expected them to fail miserably there. But they're real scouts so who cares if their experiments at RT ended disastrously.And scouts on here wanted Ray Edwards yet feel they should ever open their mouth about pass rushers. Guess everybody is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Matthews is more like Joe StaleySam Baker comparison lolI see you got your comparison from the CBS site. Lets compare their reports on the two:Positives: Has a tall frame with solid overall muscle development, good arm length, wide hips and thighs, good lower-body thickness -- especially in the thighs and calves -- big, strong hands and room on his frame to add at least another 20 pounds of bulk without a negative impact … Has good quickness off the snap, running with a normal stride and builds his acceleration nicely … Has the initial step to gain advantage off the ball and will generally play on his feet when stationary, showing good balance to slide and re-adjust in pass protection … Knows how to sink his weight and drop his pads to generate a strong anchor … Hits the defenders instantly coming off the ball, delivering power behind his arm swipes … Gains position and sustains blocks when he plays with a wide base and arms extended … Has the leg drive to steer and pin the defender, but needs to be more consistent with his knee-bend … Can gain position working in-line when he keeps his pad level down and shows decent explosion when generating cut blocks … Plays a bit bent at the waist, but has the upper-body strength to jolt and control his man … Once he gets his hands on an opponent, the battle is over … Uses hands properly to turn the defender, as he is very quick to set and extend, delivering a forceful jab and punch on the pass rusher … Better gaining position on in-line blocks than on the move, as he aggressively works to control and widen rush lanes … Has enough agility to make the reach block, doing a solid job of walling off on screens … Alert to stunts and the blitz, working hard to maintain a low base, using his long arms to extend and lock into the defender … Competes and works hard in the weight room and shows good communication skills to work well with the offensive guard in picking up stunts with ease … Shuffles his feet well setting up in pass protection but lacks sustained quickness … Can quickly redirect a defender when he gets his hands on him, as he throws those hands with very good timing to press and keep the defensive end at bay … Compensates for a lack of ideal lateral movement by playing flat-footed when trying to recover in his kick-slide … While he might struggle with fast movement in the second level, he does a good job of blocking when his man is directly in front of him.STRENGTHS: Player A is quick off the snap and uses his long, strong arms and good mobility to control his opponents when pass blocking. While perhaps not an elite athlete, he plays with the technique and tenacity to make his father proud, controlling opponents with good initial quickness, excellent knee bend and balance and terrific upper-body strength. Player A is a terrific run blocker. Though athletic enough to surprise defenders with an occasional chop block or slipping out to the second level to nail a linebacker, he's at his best simply driving defensive ends off the ball and creating lanes for Team A's running backs to slice through. Once he gets his hands on his opponent, he exhibits an ability to dictate the matchup. Strong lower-half drive and displays a good understanding of leverage when he can establish low position against thicker defenders.You can try to guess which is which. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jake MatthewsSize: 6-5 1/2, 308 pounds, wingspan of 79 1/2 inchesCombine events: 5.07 in the 40 (unofficial 10-yard split of 1.70 seconds); 30.5-inch vertical jump; broad jump of 8 feet, 9 inches; 24 reps in the bench press; 4.47 seconds in the 20-yard shuttle; 7.34 seconds in the three-cone drillhow is that anywhere close to be what Baker wingspan is ?33 3/8 inch arms and 33 1/8 inch arms. Which is which? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lju713 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Rather take Mack at 6. Moses in the 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Bakers arms are 32 lolRandom internet posts range from 32 to 34. Officially they were low 33. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 We absolutely need to upgrade the OT position, but Tackles are easier to find than elite pass rushers. If Mack or Clowney are there, we'd be dumb not to take one of them. If they aren't, I'm with you, grab the best OT there.Not if your hybrid defense features 3-4 OLB's that rush the passer. Do you doubt? Check out what Seattle did last off season. They picked up Bennett at after market value and turned him into a monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Not if your hybrid defense features 3-4 OLB's that rush the passer. Do you doubt? Check out what Seattle did last off season. They picked up Bennett at after market value and turned him into a monster.And that isn't happening this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaRdH3ad Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 It's ok. Let's get Greg Robinson so Matt can get killed on every passing down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 It's ok. Let's get Greg Robinson so Matt can get killed on every passing down.I have my reservations about Robinson but he is more than capable of playing RT for a couple of years while he's groomed to play LT. Matthews? Not so much. His upside is also fare greater than the high floor, low ceiling Matthews. That said, I'd prefer to get Mack over either of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggressive Pacifist! Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Sure, but this doesn't happen to every lineman: 53 hurries, 13 hits, and 10 sacks Holmes was horrible last year. One of the worst OTs in the league and a big reason why the offense had a lot of problems last year. If Holmes is starting this year we can kiss the playoffs goodbye again. Holmes is 2nd string LT at best IF he comes to camp in great shape. If he's out of shape when he shows up at camp he needs to be cut immediately.Love the Shaq laughing gif btw.Yeah, if Holmes comes to camp out of shape again, cut his fat azz. That's unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggressive Pacifist! Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I know you dont like Holmes you,constantly posted it throughout the season, it's cool whatever floats your boat, I believe in Holmes and am not gonna give up on a 3rd round pick after his second season. 1st starting, many wanted to give up on roddy and I still laugh at them today. Holmes will surprise many. Just waitWho WOULD like Holmes at this current point in time? Clearly someone like you who apparently wants our 100M QB maimed or killed???Be a Falcons fan, not Holmes' only fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Smartest thing to do is draft the best player @ 6. Think elite pass rusher and elite Otackle are pretty equal needs right now.If you draft the elite pass rusher, Ryan's job becomes easier because he won't have to score as many points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Love the Shaq laughing gif btw.Yeah, if Holmes comes to camp out of shape again, cut his fat azz. That's unacceptable.He still has potential but his performance last season and comments after the season leave me doubting he'll bother to try to achieve it. At least Konz manned up to his failures and put that on record and then immediately hit the weight room to starting fixing his half of the problem, the rest will be up to Tice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggressive Pacifist! Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) I don't doubt Holmes has potential PG. Not at all. I'm like you, I have serious doubts he will put forth the effort to achieve said potential. I saw some good things out of him, but after a quarter or two of football, he's done. Gassed.It boggles the mind that he came to camp out of shape last year. This is the NFL. You have a chance to replace an injury prone Baker and prove yourself, leading to potentially millions upon millions of dollars. I'll never understand it. Edited March 12, 2014 by Aggressive Pacifist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggressive Pacifist! Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Smartest thing to do is draft the best player @ 6. Think elite pass rusher and elite Otackle are pretty equal needs right now.If you draft the elite pass rusher, Ryan's job becomes easier because he won't have to score as many points.I'm down with this. It becomes a hard decision for me if BOTH Mack and Robinson are there at 6. Would prolly take Robinson to finish off the OL. Who would you take if it came down between those two? Or Mack vs Mathews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm down with this. It becomes a hard decision for me if BOTH Mack and Robinson are there at 6. Would prolly take Robinson to finish off the OL. Who would you take if it came down between those two? Or Mack vs Mathews?I really don't know, I go back and forth. Also really don't know the rest of the draft well enough. As I've said before, think Robinson and Mack are 9s [out of 10s], but don't know if the other choices at OLB and OT are 6-7s or 7-8s. Don't know where the real dropoff is with the 2nd rounders.What I 'd really like to see is a couple of teams bidding on the 6th pick to get a QB/Watkins and grabbing an extra 2nd rounder and maybe a first rounder next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 I get what your saying and me personally I be happy with an OT in the first or OLB, it's just a matter of preference for me right now on the OLB being the first pick. I'm a defensive minded guy and would love us to develop our D big time. But I get we need help on the Oline so wouldn't be upset if we went with either of the two I honestly see the draft board as 1A 1B Mack and Robinson, 2. Matthews.And like very few here, yes I actually have a lot of faith in Holmes I think he will flat out beat Baker for the Starting LT role during TC,so my preference would be to draft a pure RT(James) or some LTs suited better for RT(Moses,Tiny). I honestly see our Oline heading into the season beingHolmes-Blalock-Hawley-Asamoah-MosesBaker-Gunn-Konz-Carimi-Johnson(Back ups)Trust me, I love defensive football far more the offensive and it kills me that the Falcons defense has been so bad for such a long time, but I've come to grips with the fact that defense is never going to lead this team to victory. It is squarely on the shoulders of Ryan and Julio now.-- Ryan cannot be the QB we know he can be if he is being eaten alive by opposing DLs like last season.Fixing the O-Line is still priority #1.I'm not even sold that if we draft an OT at #6 that this line would be ready for the season.-- Our O-line is comprised of garbage that fuels a raging dumpster fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 We absolutely need to upgrade the OT position, but Tackles are easier to find than elite pass rushers. If Mack or Clowney are there, we'd be dumb not to take one of them. If they aren't, I'm with you, grab the best OT there.Really, you think an elite LT is easier to find than an effective-edge rusher?No team needs an ELITE edge-rusher, look at Seattle man. They had a motley crew of edge-rushers, all pretty good, none outstanding and so long as they had effective DTs in the middle taking up blockers (which we have lacked for years), any DE/OLB can cause enough havoc to stop 3rd and 8+ consistently.If you get an elite LT, which by the way is not at all easy to find, you can close your eyes to that worry, the biggest concern for a right-handed QB, mind you.I see your point, but a lackadaisical Clowney isn't going to help give Ryan that extra 1.5 seconds to throw the game-winning pass to Julio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Smartest thing to do is draft the best player @ 6. Think elite pass rusher and elite Otackle are pretty equal needs right now.If you draft the elite pass rusher, Ryan's job becomes easier because he won't have to score as many points.No way dude, I'm sorry, but you are mightily fooling yourself if you think a 4-12 team has the luxury of picking the best player available...That model of thinking only works for teams with stacked rosters like Seattle or SF.We have pressing, absolutely undeniable needs across the OL -- Imagine if Asamoah went down, or Baker, who I hate to say is our best OL, god that is depressing.We'd be so much worse than we were last year and TD and Smith know that Blank isn't willing to put up with nonsense like that again in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Great moves yesterday in taking steps (just the first steps) into finally developing the offensive and defensive lines that have been sorely lacking for years.I know the Draft is always a gamble, but TD whiffed on almost every pick on either line. I like the approach to go out and get some proven guys who can help and finally give Nolan something to work with up front.At this point, the O-Line still looks weak to me and I cannot bare another season watching Matt run for his life 3/4 of the plays in every game.Keeping Babs was huge and if Osi is willing to take a pay cut, we could have a good front-7 using a combination of developing players (Bartu, Worrilow), some proven guys (Babs, Soliai), and see what others are made of (Spoon and Jackson).While I'm desperately hoping for Mack, that would be a Madden-like pickup in my view, assuming no other OL FAs are signed between now and the Draft.-- Holmes is trash, Konz, who the **** knows? There are just far too many questions still left to answer on the OL and I truly hope none of you are actually conned into the idea that a signing of one OG is enough to solve what might have been the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.Bring home Robinson, or if he's gone, Matthews, for the love of the NFL gods.Agree, except I would rather have Matthews than Robinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 No way dude, I'm sorry, but you are mightily fooling yourself if you think a 4-12 team has the luxury of picking the best player available...That model of thinking only works for teams with stacked rosters like Seattle or SF.We have pressing, absolutely undeniable needs across the OL -- Imagine if Asamoah went down, or Baker, who I hate to say is our best OL, god that is depressing.We'd be so much worse than we were last year and TD and Smith know that Blank isn't willing to put up with nonsense like that again in 2014.You can say that about any position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Agree, except I would rather have Matthews than Robinson.I truly don't know enough about either to weigh in on that, but I'm happy with either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Matthews is more like Joe Staley Sam Baker comparison lolnah. Staley is a beast at run blocking. He moves his man off the ball. Taylor Lewan is more like Joe Staley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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