Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Great moves yesterday in taking steps (just the first steps) into finally developing the offensive and defensive lines that have been sorely lacking for years.I know the Draft is always a gamble, but TD whiffed on almost every pick on either line. I like the approach to go out and get some proven guys who can help and finally give Nolan something to work with up front.At this point, the O-Line still looks weak to me and I cannot bare another season watching Matt run for his life 3/4 of the plays in every game.Keeping Babs was huge and if Osi is willing to take a pay cut, we could have a good front-7 using a combination of developing players (Bartu, Worrilow), some proven guys (Babs, Soliai), and see what others are made of (Spoon and Jackson).While I'm desperately hoping for Mack, that would be a Madden-like pickup in my view, assuming no other OL FAs are signed between now and the Draft.-- Holmes is trash, Konz, who the **** knows? There are just far too many questions still left to answer on the OL and I truly hope none of you are actually conned into the idea that a signing of one OG is enough to solve what might have been the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.Bring home Robinson, or if he's gone, Matthews, for the love of the NFL gods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 We are in worse shape at OT than OLB IMO. If it came down to it I think Osi and Biermann could hold down the fort at OLB and generate more pass rush with the upgrades on the DL. OT was a sad state of affairs last year though. We need a real franchise OT.Agree 100% man.I mean, who knows what the **** Baker will even look like next year, if he can stay on the field.Not drafting OT in the 1st would be a terrible, terrible decision and I think it's pretty clear that TD didn't target and OT in FA because he plans to draft Robinson or Matthews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert_Falcon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm sure we find veteran OT help because I highly doubt we'd go with a rookie protecting Ryan this year without a plan B. I am all for getting Robinson,Matthews, Lewan, or other top guy. Just 100 million dollar question is who best fits our need and price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm sure we find veteran OT help because I highly doubt we'd go with a rookie protecting Ryan this year without a plan B. I am all for getting Robinson,Matthews, Lewan, or other top guy.Just 100 million dollar question is who best fits our need and price.I wouldn't mind bringing in mid-level OT help via once Free Agency price tags calm down a bit, but we need a 22-24 year old LT that is going to protect Matt for the rest of his career like Baker was supposedly drafted to do.-- It's time to get real about the trenches, and finally, it looks like it is moving in that direction, but picking up old OL mid-level talent isn't the key to protecting the QB and I think TD finally knows this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I feel like the Draft is deeper at OT than OLB so going with Mack in the first would be a wiser idea, getting a Guy like Moses or Richardson in the 2nd could work or even drafting Juwuan James in the 3rd, who is an actual RT. Where as the others are LTs who would be shifting to the right... So my personal preference would be 1.Mack 2.Moses 3.Coleman 4.Ellis/Kerr Or1.Mack2.Hageman3.James 4.Ellis/Kerr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 As much as I like Mack, I have to admit that OT is the way to go in the first. Baker is not reliable.Holmes may never develop into a starter.Carimi and Schraeder are strictly RT material.After the first round, there are no prospects that can confidently be considered LT starters.We need a better pass rush, but we have 3-4 OLB's on the roster: Mass and Maponga.The stouter DL will tie up blockers and allow the LB's to make plays behind the line.There is a decent chance that players like Attaochu and Ford will drop to the #38 pick. Late free agency may provide excellent pass rushers at a reasonable price. When you look at the probabilities of filling positions, you come to the conclusion that our best path is to draft out future LT at #6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 I feel like the Draft is deeper at OT than OLB so going with Mack in the first would be a wiser idea, getting a Guy like Moses or Richardson in the 2nd could work or even drafting Juwuan James in the 3rd, who is an actual RT. Where as the others are LTs who would be shifting to the right... So my personal preference would be1.Mack2.Moses3.Coleman4.Ellis/KerrOr1.Mack2.Hageman3.James4.Ellis/KerrI'm telling you man, we need to get a Blue-Chip OT and plug him in day 1 and go. Even if we did that, we'd still need 1-2 more bodies just for competition sake on the OL.Are you comfortable with Holmes and Baker as our OTs?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I feel like the Draft is deeper at OT than OLB so going with Mack in the first would be a wiser idea, getting a Guy like Moses or Richardson in the 2nd could work or even drafting Juwuan James in the 3rd, who is an actual RT. Where as the others are LTs who would be shifting to the right... So my personal preference would be1.Mack2.Moses3.Coleman4.Ellis/KerrOr1.Mack2.Hageman3.James4.Ellis/KerrMoses, Richardson and Jones are not quick enough on their feet, to seriously compete for a starting job at LT. Of the three, Richardson has the best chance, but I would not bank on it. Henderson has been talked about a lot on these boards, but he under-performed at UM. Word is that football is not his top priority in life. So, I disagree. There are more OLB types in later rounds than LT types. This is not surprising, as this tends to hold true, year after year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Moses, Richardson and Jones are not quick enough on their feet, to seriously compete for a starting job at LT. Of the three, Richardson has the best chance, but I would not bank on it. Henderson has been talked about a lot on these boards, but he under-performed at UM. Word is that football is not his top priority in life. So, I disagree. There are more OLB types in later rounds than LT types. This is not surprising, as this tends to hold true, year after year.God, I wish CJ Mosley would just fall to us in the 2nd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm telling you man, we need to get a Blue-Chip OT and plug him in day 1 and go. Even if we did that, we'd still need 1-2 more bodies just for competition sake on the OL.Are you comfortable with Holmes and Baker as our OTs?!I get what your saying and me personally I be happy with an OT in the first or OLB, it's just a matter of preference for me right now on the OLB being the first pick. I'm a defensive minded guy and would love us to develop our D big time. But I get we need help on the Oline so wouldn't be upset if we went with either of the two I honestly see the draft board as 1A 1B Mack and Robinson, 2. Matthews.And like very few here, yes I actually have a lot of faith in Holmes I think he will flat out beat Baker for the Starting LT role during TC,so my preference would be to draft a pure RT(James) or some LTs suited better for RT(Moses,Tiny). I honestly see our Oline heading into the season beingHolmes-Blalock-Hawley-Asamoah-Moses Baker-Gunn-Konz-Carimi-Johnson(Back ups) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Moses, Richardson and Jones are not quick enough on their feet, to seriously compete for a starting job at LT. Of the three, Richardson has the best chance, but I would not bank on it. Henderson has been talked about a lot on these boards, but he under-performed at UM. Word is that football is not his top priority in life. So, I disagree. There are more OLB types in later rounds than LT types. This is not surprising, as this tends to hold true, year after year.wasn't looking at LTs in the future rounds, was looking at the Right side of the Lines in tiny,Moses and James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bird is Da Word Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I know it sounds like wishful thinking and I'm a bit of a broken record here; but if Baker can stay healthy and play like he did in 2012 this year then our line is already looking pretty solid. A healthy Baker, Blalock, and Asamoah with an improved Konz or Hawley should be a decent squad. We've also developed more depth on the lines in the last year and have another project in Carimi. If Robinson can play RT then I'm sold on picking him up in the first. That'd sure up the RT position this year or at the very least provide us some insurance at LT for Baker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 ah yes the many gifs ppl post when they don't have a legit argument. I know you've never liked Holmes and that's ok, it's why I said it's a personal opinion of mine and not something set in facts, just like I never like Osi and new he wouldn't be good here.(Many seem to agree with that now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert_Falcon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 But that is the main thing keeping Ryan and Piolitroff up at night. Which Sam Baker are going to get and I doubt they want to play that game again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownorg Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm thinking OT is the target as well... FA OT's are very expensiveBy drafting Mathews/ Robinson we pretty much get a great OT on the cheap for 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Holmes: 53 hurries, 13 hits, and 10 sacks and can't run block.And you want this guy protecting Ryan's blind side?!?!?! WTF!why I don't pay attention to silly sites like pff. So yea ivwouldnt mind Holmes Blocking Ryan's blind side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uga706 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jake Matthews is the person to get. I've watched tape of both he and Greg Robinson and Matthews is the superior OT. While Robinson has "potential" Matthews is a machine who is a much smarter player and knows what to do at all times. Jake Matthews comes from the best football family ever and was born to play this position. Matt Ryan now has a LT for the future and we can worry about adding a pass rusher in the 2nd such as Dee Ford,Attachou,etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 You must need your vision checked too. Holmes getting destroyed in pass pro:And here he pushes the defender into SJax...Happens to ever olineman, I'm not gonna make my whole decision based on 2 plays u show lol, sorry bud u won't change my mind, it's only his 2nd year and he got thrown into the fire, I'll Gove it one more year before giving up on Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 We absolutely need to upgrade the OT position, but Tackles are easier to find than elite pass rushers. If Mack or Clowney are there, we'd be dumb not to take one of them. If they aren't, I'm with you, grab the best OT there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Matthews is basically a slightly better Baker. Just say no to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 And not only could you plug Robinson or Matthews in immediately at RT, they are also Baker insurance. If Baker went down, just slide Robinson/Matthews over to LT and put in our best remaining OT at RT (Mike Johnson?)Matthews is by no stretch of the imagination cut out to play RT in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uga706 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Holmes is terrible and wouldn't have even playedwhy I don't pay attention to silly sites like pff. So yea ivwouldnt mind Holmes Blocking Ryan's blind sideLOL wow. Holmes is terrible and wouldn't have even started if Mike Johnson and Sam Baker were healthy. Holmes still has some potential but he's not a starter at this moment and **** sure isn't a LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 LOL WTFWatch the tape. Matthews got significant help on running plays while he played RT in 2012 and was helped significantly last year by teams playing contain against Manziel. Both are short armed mid tier athletes who get by through being technicians. I am not buying the Matthews hype at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Sure, but this doesn't happen to every lineman: 53 hurries, 13 hits, and 10 sacks Holmes was horrible last year. One of the worst OTs in the league and a big reason why the offense had a lot of problems last year. If Holmes is starting this year we can kiss the playoffs goodbye again. Holmes is 2nd string LT at best IF he comes to camp in great shape. If he's out of shape when he shows up at camp he needs to be cut immediately.I know you dont like Holmes you,constantly posted it throughout the season, it's cool whatever floats your boat, I believe in Holmes and am not gonna give up on a 3rd round pick after his second season. 1st starting, many wanted to give up on roddy and I still laugh at them today. Holmes will surprise many. Just wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiker Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Matthews is by no stretch of the imagination cut out to play RT in the NFL.Sorry I respect real scouts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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