The Nfl's Best Gms...... #10. Thomas Dimitroff

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

So this year was Smith's fault? I'll give Td props for turner, Gonzalez, asante, and white but I canname 5 bad moves for one good move.

No you can't.

[Mr. Right]

No you can't.

4 good moves to 20 bad moves, easy as cake. Jenkins extension, Ryan's premature extension, Edwards, sjax, releasing l robinson, trading for Julio, neglecting lines, Osi for Abraham, going into a game with 2 active rbs, pariah jerry, extending baker, dunta Robinson over Houston, not trading tg when season was lost, black dotting talent, not trading Turner in his prime, keeping Meier on roster for 3 years, giving hd the 4th receiving option an abnormally large extension but don't use him, revolving door at cb, not testing jamaal Anderson out a te when we needed one, not keeping svitek for depth, failure to find a te that can stretch seems, failure to find a way to generat pressure with 4

[Grrrillapmpn Inc.®]

Haha , see the normal folks are out and offended by TD love.

You know you are.

**** TD.

[Dharma Initiative]

Dimitroff has really lived off of two moves, Ryan and Turner.

His draft picks have been 90% misses and his big free agent signings outside of Turner such as Dunta, Steven Jackson, Ray Edwards, and Tatupu have been bad.

Add in dumb contract extensions like Sam Baker and Decoud and it's even worse.

He's not a good GM

[Brehus]

I just think TD can't draft line to save his life, but some help was brought in, so maybe that will help with his shortcomings

Edited March 10, 2014 by Brehus

[Makaveli96]

I would've thought he was number 32 the way this board bashes him.

[gazoo]

Dimitroff has really lived off of two moves, Ryan and Turner.

His draft picks have been 90% misses and his big free agent signings outside of Turner such as Dunta, Steven Jackson, Ray Edwards, and Tatupu have been bad.

Add in dumb contract extensions like Sam Baker and Decoud and it's even worse.

He's not a good GM

Why do you keep spreading this pabulum? Robb4242 completely destroyed your argument by putting Belichicks drafts right up to TDs and TD has had more success.

What you keep doing is refusing to put this in context, you instead just keep insisting TD sucks because all his picks haven't made it. Context man, is that too hard to ask for before you bash our outstanding young GM? Perfect? no. Beyond reproach? No. Outstanding in site of that, yes. Context.

[Tuggle'2]

**** TD.

[Dharma Initiative]

Why do you keep spreading this pabulum? Robb4242 completely destroyed your argument by putting Belichicks drafts right up to TDs and TD has had more success.

What you keep doing is refusing to put this in context, you instead just keep insisting TD sucks because all his picks haven't made it. Context man, is that too hard to ask for before you bash our outstanding young GM? Perfect? no. Beyond reproach? No. Outstanding in site of that, yes. Context.

Belicheck, however, is an excellent coach. TD is neither a good coach or GM

Also, almost none of TD's picks have made it. He has a terrible hit record. The o-line finally became all his, and it was the worst we've probably ever had.

[gazoo]

[Mr. Right]

Belicheck, however, is an excellent coach. TD is neither a good coach or GM

Also, almost none of TD's picks have made it. He has a terrible hit record. The o-line finally became all his, and it was the worst we've probably ever had.

part of the reason is bb isn't afraid to cut garbage. How long was Meier on the team? What about Frank's. Additionally ne alrwady nas its core in place so it's hard for a non essential player to stay on the team. If we drafted 3 wrs this year, do u think all 3 will make it? Probably not

[muskokas finest ©]

Why do you keep spreading this pabulum? Robb4242 completely destroyed your argument by putting Belichicks drafts right up to TDs and TD has had more success.

What you keep doing is refusing to put this in context, you instead just keep insisting TD sucks because all his picks haven't made it. Context man, is that too hard to ask for before you bash our outstanding young GM? Perfect? no. Beyond reproach? No. Outstanding in site of that, yes. Context.

Gee that's brilliant Gazoo. Surrender 10 picks for Jones, Trufant and Rodgers, but call yourself 3 for 3. Context.

Bottom line, this team is in worse shape heading into draft/free agency than it was 6 years ago. 6 years with a single playoff win, below historical average. Context

[Dharma Initiative]

Gee that's brilliant Gazoo. Surrender 8 picks for Jones, Trufant and Rodgers, but call yourself 3 for 3. Context.

Bottom line, this team is in worse shape heading into draft/free agency than it was 6 years ago. 6 years with a single playoff win, below historical average. Context

First round hits: Ryan, Julio (it took two firsts), and Trufant

Bombed on Baker, horribly on Jerry, and Spoon hasn't been great.

Missed on every single second rounder outside of Moore.

Nothing but average players at best in the third.

Straight garbage picks after the third

[GTBF54]

[muskokas finest ©]

Gee that's brilliant Gazoo. Surrender 10 picks for Jones, Trufant and Rodgers, but call yourself 3 for 3. Context.

Bottom line, this team is in worse shape heading into draft/free agency than it was 6 years ago. 6 years with a single playoff win, below historical average. Context

First round hits: Ryan, Julio (it took two firsts), and Trufant

Bombed on Baker, horribly on Jerry, and Spoon hasn't been great.

Missed on every single second rounder outside of Moore.

Nothing but average players at best in the third.

Straight garbage picks after the third

[fire mike smith]

At this point in franchise history, it is all about the Super Bowl.

Really? A franchise that didn't have a single back to back winning season until 09 and has never had a super bowl win is super bowl or bust? lol. The patriots are super bowl or bust. For the falcons its still a ****ing miracle if we make the playoffs and don't completely suck in the first round.

Edited March 11, 2014 by fire mike smith

[gazoo]

Yep, and message board crybabies gonna cry!

[muskokas finest ©]

Really? A franchise that didn't have a single back to back winning season until 09 and has never had a super bowl win is super bowl or bust? lol. The patriots are super bowl or bust. For the falcons its still a ****ing miracle if we make the playoffs and don't completely suck in the first round.

The fraternal twin of this franchise has a Lombardi. That is our only remaining goal, plain and simple. Doesn't have to be this year, the road is long with the roster as it stands now.

[Mid-Nite-Toker]

TD at #10? The assement seemed to be more of a validation of Smitty and McKay.

Imagine where TD would rank if he had listened to #1 GM.

Perfectly fair assessment.

I'm excited to see how he approaches building version 2.0. Asamoah would be a good start.

Pioli?

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

part of the reason is bb isn't afraid to cut garbage. How long was Meier on the team? What about Frank's. Additionally ne alrwady nas its core in place so it's hard for a non essential player to stay on the team. If we drafted 3 wrs this year, do u think all 3 will make it? Probably not

You and the rest of your cronies are so agenda driven that you're freely willing to completely ignore reality...its cute.

Which part of the "core" of New England has stayed in place? Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork and Logan Mankins. Thats about it. Look at their starters...hardly a group of long-time Patriots stalwarts. Look at the turnover in the secondary...the amount of draft picks they've invested in that area with minimal returns.

Everyone is so far up this team's *** that they have absolutely no frame of reference as to how quickly rosters turn over or how many draft picks work out.

Everyone around here holds Ozzie Newsome as the standard (and for good reason) but they fail to acknowledge to his draft failings. Because only Dimitroff's count.

[Tuggle'2]

You and the rest of your cronies are so agenda driven that you're freely willing to completely ignore reality...its cute.

Which part of the "core" of New England has stayed in place? Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork and Logan Mankins. Thats about it. Look at their starters...hardly a group of long-time Patriots stalwarts. Look at the turnover in the secondary...the amount of draft picks they've invested in that area with minimal returns.

Everyone is so far up this team's *** that they have absolutely no frame of reference as to how quickly rosters turn over or how many draft picks work out.

Everyone around here holds Ozzie Newsome as the standard (and for good reason) but they fail to acknowledge to his draft failings. Because only Dimitroff's count.

Head Shot.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

First round hits: Ryan, Julio (it took two firsts), and Trufant

Bombed on Baker, horribly on Jerry, and Spoon hasn't been great.

Missed on every single second rounder outside of Moore.

Nothing but average players at best in the third.

Straight garbage picks after the third

How does this compare to other "great" GMs? The Seahawks have a fair amount of late round gems...and an equal amount of mediocre to ****** picks in the first round (Aaron Curry, James Carpenter, Irvin). The Ravens have their failures (Oher, Kindle, Cody), a draft highlight that just beat the **** out of his wife on an elevator and one late round gem in Arthur Jones. The 49ers have Navarro Bowman and they also have Taylor Mays and AJ Jenkins.

The draft is a crap shoot. Nobody spikes all of their picks in the front 2 rounds. Nobody consistently churns out All-Pros from the third round. Very few consistently get more than depth (if that) out of late rounds.

I'd like to see TD draft better....just like everyone would want their team to draft better. Part of that is pulling back on the trade up philosophy. That's a legitimate criticism (though Gazoo is right in that those decisions have worked out for the most part). I want to see us with a sizable draft class this year. But to suggest that Dimitroff is some deficient GM who can't do anything right is clearly incorrect and seems like a vast overreaction to a random ****** season.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

Ozzie Newsome and Bill have helped there team to championships . TD has helped the Falcons to 1 playoff win in last 6 seasons and now were picking 6th largely due to some of his decisions

You're right....they have helped their team to championships...in 15+ years. And that same "guru" Ozzie Newsome had the benefit of drafting in the Top 10 5 years in a row in Baltimore. And, I could be mistaken, but I believe they were picking in the Top 10 in 2008 as well....

As for Belichick, he's an incredible coach who also happened to be on hand for the biggest lottery ticket moment in NFL history. Don't tell me "he's a great drafter!!!" after he declined the opportunity to draft Brady six or seven times before finally tossing a throw away pick at him.

But you're right...it makes a lot of sense to hold any GM up to the standard of "why didnt you draft a Top 5 All Time QB with the 200th pick in the draft"

[Grrrillapmpn Inc.®]

No one can say I rode the fence or flip flopped...

My stance is clear I don't **** with TD.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

How many GMs have 1 playoff win over last 6 seasons ? 20 +

So what makes TD special in your eyes ?

It's a results driven business and he has not landed the results

Yes Ravens traded out of top 10 picked up extra draft picks and found a QB to help them to a championship

He's built a team that was a **** show for the better part of 40 years into a team with the 6th best winning percentage in the NFL over his tenure. A team that posted 5 consecutive winning seasons with a franchise that never had back to backs.

And when he finally hit a wall, what did he do? Forge ahead like a crazy ego maniac? Nope....he brought in 2 other former GMs and completely remade the scouting department. He worked to find new position coaches in an effort to fix the issues.

As for the Ravens....yeah, they traded down from 8....after their offer to trade up to #2 to take Matt Ryan didnt work...but its all philosophy, right?