Dirtybird#11 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yes i do understand that we have a lot of needs but do we really need big names to fill those needs?I mean some of you are throwing our cap away on some big name players!(notice players is plural) I mean why pay players like Soliai,Johnson,Starks to bigger contracts?I mean there are alot of good names that arent bank breakers such as Arthur Jones,Johnny Jolly,Brett Keisel that could fill our needs and not screw us over cap wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yes... We have no stars at all on D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 You ever heard the old saying, "You get what you pay for"? I think that saying sticks around because it's true. You try to go bargain-basement with your money, you get crap talent. You go middle-of-the-road, you get mediocre, kinda like what we have right now. So that leaves paying for top-tier so you can get top-tier performance and production. Of course you can't pay top dollar at every position on the team, but you have to do it at enough positions so your lower-level talent isn't exposed and you have a total collapse like we did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 You ever heard the old saying, "You get what you pay for"? I think that saying sticks around because it's true. You try to go bargain-basement with your money, you get crap talent. You go middle-of-the-road, you get mediocre, kinda like what we have right now. So that leaves paying for top-tier so you can get top-tier performance and production. Of course you can't pay top dollar at every position on the team, but you have to do it at enough positions so your lower-level talent isn't exposed and you have a total collapse like we did last year. With the exceptions of Ray and Dunta ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring It Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 YES !!!!!!!!!!Can't win without names like...........Albert HaynesworthDunta RobinsonRay EdwardsOh yeah........the BIGGER the name the better !!! Sign 'em at ANY price !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 With the exceptions of Ray and Dunta ......Dunta wasn't that bad. if it wasn't for his salary no one would have too many complaints about Dunta. but no we don't need big name talent, we just need big talent in whatever shape or form it comes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Dunta wasn't that bad. if it wasn't for his salary no one would have too many complaints about Dunta. but no we don't need big name talent, we just need big talent in whatever shape or form it comes True dat ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Get me Collins Joseph and a body to replace DeCant, call it a day ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 You ever heard the old saying, "You get what you pay for"? I think that saying sticks around because it's true. You try to go bargain-basement with your money, you get crap talent. You go middle-of-the-road, you get mediocre, kinda like what we have right now. So that leaves paying for top-tier so you can get top-tier performance and production. Of course you can't pay top dollar at every position on the team, but you have to do it at enough positions so your lower-level talent isn't exposed and you have a total collapse like we did last year.Not in the NFL you don't. The top FA's are never ever worth the money they get, because there are plenty of other payers who will give you 90% of the production for 25-30% of the cost. If anything, their contracts cripple teams, because of the constraints of the cap.The key on the NFL is getting value for money, because of the constraints of the cap. The real value is in the draft, and the mid level FA's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Not in the NFL you don't. The top FA's are never ever worth the money they get, because there are plenty of other payers who will give you 90% of the production for 25-30% of the cost. If anything, their contracts cripple teams, because of the constraints of the cap.The key on the NFL is getting value for money, because of the constraints of the cap. The real value is in the draft, and the mid level FA's.I'd say Buffalo was ok in giving Mario Williams that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bawse Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 No one stands out on defense and that's a problem... we need some kind of big name to fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Haynesworth, Peppers, Mario, Aso, Revis ... all supposedly elite level players who signed huge contracts and failed to make the teams they went to any better. Not one of them was even close to being worth the money, and 2 were huge busts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Haynesworth, Peppers, Mario, Aso, Revis ... all supposedly elite level players who signed huge contracts and failed to make the teams they went to any better. Not one of them was even close to being worth the money, and 2 were huge busts.Williams is clearly worth the money to buffalo. The problem is, they STILL don't have a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 No one stands out on defense and that's a problem... we need some kind of big name to fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Williams is clearly worth the money to buffalo. The problem is, they STILL don't have a QB.A good football player, but he not worth $16m+ a year. There are plenty of double digit sack guys, who aren't costing their teams close to that. That's why he's not worth it. The bills were a 6 win team without him and they're a 6 win team with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 A good football player, but he not worth $16m+ a year. There are plenty of double digit sack guys, who aren't costing their teams close to that. That's why he's not worth it.The bills were a 6 win team without him and they're a 6 win team with him.Many of those 10+ sack guys are about to get PAID, big time.Greg HardyRobert QuinnChandler JonesMuhammed WilkersonBrian OrakpoKyle WilliamsThe only reason they aren't making what Williams is is because they're either on rookie contracts or got franchised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of the Gaucho Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 We don't need a ton of big names, but we do need at least one difference maker on the O and D line. I would love an Asomoah/Solali pairing. The way the draft is panning out, it looks like offensive tackle will be the pick at 6, and the 2nd can either bring in pass rusher or a safety. Outside of that, depth is needed, and that can wait til further free agency and later in the draft. Maybe a TE in the 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 We need approximately two impact players on defense, one on offense, then we just need role players. We were incredibly young on defense and our linebackers and corners got invaluable experience. I suspect we see jumps in production from those players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTBF54 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 The Dolphins went all out in free agency last year spending the most money in free agency and they still went 8-8..... Dream team anyone?... The off-season spending champion rarely wins during the actual season..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 The only reason they aren't making what Williams is is because they're either on rookie contracts or got franchised.That's the point. That's where the value is.When there are guys on rookie contracts, some earning $500k a season, what does Mario do that makes him value for money, when he costs him team 30 times more?No defensive player is worth $15m a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yes i do understand that we have a lot of needs but do we really need big names to fill those needs?I mean some of you are throwing our cap away on some big name players!(notice players is plural) I mean why pay players like Soliai,Johnson,Starks to bigger contracts?I mean there are alot of good names that arent bank breakers such as Arthur Jones,Johnny Jolly,Brett Keisel that could fill our needs and not screw us over cap wise.Arthur Jones will be a "bank breaker". Jolly is mediocre and Keisel is old. Please explain how signing Soliai or Starks would be throwing money away? The money has to be spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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