Falcanuck Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) While I am a huge Mack fan and would be happy if he were drafted by the Falcons at #6, is he really THAT much better than Van Noy? I don't think so. Especially when you consider the opportunity cost of drafting a marginally better player at #6.They are both 6'3, 245ish and they have very similar numbers (Mack's are a smidgeon better, while Van Noy plays in a tougher conference). The only area Mack really beats Van Noy is in athleticism.Then you factor in who the Falcons could also draft at #6. Robinson and Matthews, in particular. These OL men are head and shoulders above every other OL prospect in the draft, especially those available in the 2nd round.As a result:Robinson/Matthews + Van Noy > Mack + Moses/TinyAnd with a trade back:Donald/Lewan/Martin/Pryor + Tuitt + Van Noy > Mack + any player available in the second round. Edited March 9, 2014 by Falcanuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSICKxWITHxITx Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, a "handful" of NFL evaluators have "greater confidence" in Buffalo OLB/DE Khalil Mack panning out than South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney.Per Mort, the evaluators who side with Mack cite his "consistency and versatility." This isn't to say Mack will be drafted ahead of Clowney -- he almost certainly won't be -- but is a reminder that there are two truly elite edge-rusher prospects in this draft. Mack seems a virtual lock for the top-seven picks.Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter Mar 8 - 9:19 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, a "handful" of NFL evaluators have "greater confidence" in Buffalo OLB/DE Khalil Mack panning out than South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney.Per Mort, the evaluators who side with Mack cite his "consistency and versatility." This isn't to say Mack will be drafted ahead of Clowney -- he almost certainly won't be -- but is a reminder that there are two truly elite edge-rusher prospects in this draft. Mack seems a virtual lock for the top-seven picks.Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter Mar 8 - 9:19 AMMaybe that just means they aren't very confident in Clowney at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSICKxWITHxITx Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Maybe that just means they aren't very confident in Clowney at all.2 truly elite edge rushers? No Noy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 2 truly elite edge rushers? No Noy?Noy is better in coverage than Mack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSICKxWITHxITx Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Noy is better in coverage than Mack.I don't know was just posting. I know nothing about Noy. If he's good I'd be happy with him and a T at 6. Just really depends what we do in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Clowney + Van Noy >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDuB2009 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I think Mack is underrated on these forums cause he played in the MAC. All I'd suggest is that you watch him play vs. OSU and almost single handedly keep Buffalo in the game before they doubled and even triple teamed him at times, which is what MAC teams already knew to do before the season started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring It Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Not exactly chopped liver........................he's a serious prospect.http://byucougars.co...ll/kyle-van-noyhttp://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89826&draftyear=2014&genpos=OLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Its a HUGE gap ... Van Noy is a good play hard football player who does everything solidly ... Mack is more of a impact player.. He can be a big sack rusher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power I Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Its a HUGE gap ... Van Noy is a good play hard football player who does everything solidly ... Mack is more of a impact player.. He can be a big sack rusherLinebackers bat cleanup, in my opinion. A great defensive line sets them up and gets on base with the occasional home run. But typically they do the dirty work to let the linebackers shine. We don't need amazing linebackers for that, but we do need amazing defensive linemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTBF54 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Van Noy is said to be a better prospect than Ziggy Ansah was.....Great read on the kid here...........http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130925/kyle-van-noy-excerpt-the-system/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlGM Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Van Noy is not on macks levell. Watch his tape. Van Noy gets flushed out in the run game he isnt that great of an edge rusher he misses a lot of tackles as well. He isn't that great in coverage as well. He is second round pick but that is based on his athleticism and potential. Van noy is a good player but often disappears for stretches. My biggest knock on Van Noy is his motor he takes more plays off than clowney. If you watch the tape if the play isn't run his way he often times doesn't make it to the ball. I'm not against him as a player as I have reviewed his tape several times to see if he would be a good value for our second round pick and every time I come away disappointed. My thoughts on what positions are offer the best values In the second round are as so#1 Ol#2 Safety#3 Wr#4 Dt is a possibility as well if a couple of the first round guys fall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Both are really good players but Mack is significantly better.He is the NCAA all-time forced fumbles record holder and is tied for most tackles for loss all time as well. People are selling Mack short big time on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT11 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Van Noy cannot rush like Mack - but yea, Mack truly loves the game and wants to make an impact every play - his demeanor and attitude is a big part of what is keeping him in the top 5 because he is not a Von miller - but he could be great, not as athletic as Miller but is a born football player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Don't see a significant difference between the two either OP. Mack seems like a more explosive pass rusher, but Van Noy is a fantastic LB as well without many weaknesses.Its like comparing Von Miller and Mychal Kendrick. Von Miller is more of a known player because of all the sacks he gets, but Kendrick is one of if not the best WLB in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Van noy wor shazier. Bam a lam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) Don't see a significant difference between the two either OP. Mack seems like a more explosive pass rusher, but Van Noy is a fantastic LB as well without many weaknesses.Its like comparing Von Miller and Mychal Kendrick. Von Miller is more of a known player because of all the sacks he gets, but Kendrick is one of if not the best WLB in the NFL.That's a good comparison. I've been comparing him to Bobby Wagner, but Kendricks is probably even more accurate.Van Noy is not on macks levell. Watch his tape. Van Noy gets flushed out in the run game he isnt that great of an edge rusher he misses a lot of tackles as well. He isn't that great in coverage as well. He is second round pick but that is based on his athleticism and potential.Van noy is a good player but often disappears for stretches. My biggest knock on Van Noy is his motor he takes more plays off than clowney. If you watch the tape if the play isn't run his way he often times doesn't make it to the ball.I'm not against him as a player as I have reviewed his tape several times to see if he would be a good value for our second round pick and every time I come away disappointed.My thoughts on what positions are offer the best values In the second round are as so#1 Ol#2 Safety#3 Wr#4 Dt is a possibility as well if a couple of the first round guys fallI'm not really saying he's on Mack's level. What I'm trying to say is that the value of selecting Mack isn't as high as selecting a guy like Robison/Matthews, because you have guys like Van Noy you can get in the 2nd.It's like this:OTs:Robinson/Matthews=90/100Moses/Tiny (2nd rounders)=65/100OLBs:Mack=90/100Van Noy=75/100Robinson/Matthews (90) + Van Noy (75) = 165 > Mack (90) + Moses/Tiny (65) = 155Essentially, the gap is quite a bit wider between Robinson and Moses than it is between Mack and Van Noy. It's all about maximizing the value of the picks you make. Edited March 9, 2014 by Falcanuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 No, there is a pretty significant drop off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 No, there is a pretty significant drop off.Somebody completely missed the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Wall Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I've seen Van Noy play twice in person vs BSU. That dude is an animal. He reminds me a lot of Jason Taylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinalScore2.0 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I just watched a few games of both players. They're different types of players.Mack seems to fight on every play. He has to because he's grabbed and held and double teamed. There's a big drop off talent wise between Mack and his team mates.Van Noy played in a different system and he didn't have to fight so much with lineman. Still he's not going to be labelled a tackling machine. He flashes then he seems to pace himself. He whiffs quite a bit too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mike Kenn Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Both are really good players but Mack is significantly better.He is the NCAA all-time forced fumbles record holder and is tied for most tackles for loss all time as well. People are selling Mack short big time on this board.Against what kind of competition? I still want Anthony Barr more than any of these guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) Against what kind of competition? I still want Anthony Barr more than any of these guysAgain, Anthony Barr is a top15 pick. Van Noy is a top60. Value isn't there to justify taking Barr for me.I just watched a few games of both players. They're different types of players.Mack seems to fight on every play. He has to because he's grabbed and held and double teamed. There's a big drop off talent wise between Mack and his team mates.Van Noy played in a different system and he didn't have to fight so much with lineman. Still he's not going to be labelled a tackling machine. He flashes then he seems to pace himself. He whiffs quite a bit too.Does Khalil Mack make even one play vs. Baylor? Edited March 9, 2014 by Falcanuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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