Why Bringing Champ Bailey May Not Be A Bad Thing.

[TheFatboi]

Another guy 11 Starters in 3 weeks when people mention a 4-12 season why do people choose to forget INJURIES were the biggest reason for that.

Injuries is exactly what derailed our season. Had nothing to do with the vets. The young corners learned a lot from Asante.

[JulioisCoolio]

I mean we did just draft a pair of safetys last season....has Champ ever played FS?

in the 7th round.......

[Dukeduke211]

I like it!! Bring em home TD!!

[kiwifalcon]

in the 7th round.......

Not as far as I know but right now if I have a look at the roster and the weak safety class I'd go vet for now and look for a guy next year.

I'd take HOF Bailey now over anything on our roster or in the Draft.

[Rise_Up_504]

Injuries is exactly what derailed our season. Had nothing to do with the vets. The young corners learned a lot from Asante.

I think people discount what an older presence can do especially if they aren't a loud, motivational presence like Ray Lewis. I know I discounted his influence until I talked with someone about it.

[Mike Kenn]

in the 7th round.......

I think Champ would go in the 7th round this year

current Champ, not 2003 Champ

[Mike Kenn]

Injuries is exactly what derailed our season. Had nothing to do with the vets. The young corners learned a lot from Asante.

derailed what season? We werent going anywhere with that line. I dont care if Julio was healthy or not. Obviously injuries hurt us, but can blame the whole season on them

[TheFatboi]

derailed what season? We werent going anywhere with that line. I dont care if Julio was healthy or not. Obviously injuries hurt us, but can blame the whole season on them

I said it derailed us. Not killed the whole season. The injuries were the main part of the bad season. Even amongst the oline. Johnson, Baker. On defense spoon, bierrman, Asante, along with nicholas, both receivers on offense, SJ. Those were a lot of key injuries to overcome at the same time playing an abundance of rookies. It was a combination of letting key vets from the 13-3 season go and injuries. We were not the same playoff team from the previous year. Even if we didn't have the injuries. The Seahawks and niners were the SAME teams with key additions. I was not surprised at all the NFCCG was between them. I knew one would be in the SB last offseason with the moves they made.

Edited March 9, 2014 by TheFatboi

[TheFatboi]

I think people discount what an older presence can do especially if they aren't a loud, motivational presence like Ray Lewis. I know I discounted his influence until I talked with someone about it.

If the young guys are willing to listen to a vet that's been thru the wall it can be very valuable. Strahan was the key vet that got the giants AND coughlin to take a different approach to the Super Bowl.

[Optimus*Crimes]

So, we want to bring in an old player who has lost 3 steps to play a position he's never played before. Also, he was against playing safety until he realized that he would never have the chance to play CB again. In addition, his overall coverage skills are none existent at this point.

Makes sense...

[TheFatboi]

So, we want to bring in an old player who has lost 3 steps to play a position he's never played before. Also, he was against playing safety until he realized that he would never have the chance to play CB again. In addition, his overall coverage skills are none existent at this point.

Makes sense...

Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson, Arenas Williams are a few that made the transition at the end of their careers and did great. If a safety was great at coverage he'd be playing corner. Lol. Champ is good enough to play fs. He still has 4.4 speed and is still a ball hawk. He's not slow at all. He just doesn't have corner hips anymore. He has plenty of safety hips tho. He can play FS at a higher level than some that's been playing there since they came into the league simply because he's a cerebral player like a Rod and Charles Woodson. If Byrd won't play ball with the pay he wants champ is a good stop gap until we get the fs of the future.

Edited March 9, 2014 by TheFatboi

[Supa Dupa Falcon]

Let another team fall for that. I think we have had enough of older talent. It's time we find the young star with several years

of talent on the field. We don't need to be an old folks home anymore! GEEZ!!!

[TheFatboi]

Let another team fall for that. I think we have had enough of older talent. It's time we find the young star with several years

of talent on the field. We don't need to be an old folks home anymore! GEEZ!!!

We probably have one of the youngest defenses in the league and will be younger after the draft. It's ok to have some vet leadership. What's the solution if Byrd comes too high? We can't afford to play a rookie there this season. For all that we may as well stay with Decoud until we find the fs of the future.

[samueladams]

NO, dude got straight left behind in the wind in the SB. No thanks, how about he just gives some free advice and keep it moving.

[Supa Dupa Falcon]

We probably have one of the youngest defenses in the league and will be younger after the draft. It's ok to have some vet leadership. What's the solution if Byrd comes too high? We can't afford to play a rookie there this season. For all that we may as well stay with Decoud until we find the fs of the future.

Your right about us getting younger after the draft and I agree. I think we broke the record of "finger pointing" in the

secondary last year. These day's of football have changed alot for speed. Vet leadership only goes so far with young gifted

talent. Rocky could catch a chicken, I can tackle a hog....But Decoud can't catch a football or make a tackle? Pee Wee Herman

would have done a better job last year...least he would of laughed them to the ground. We can't sign Byrd then fine. I'll take a rookie

all day long with passion. Tired of some player's that make ton's of money for what they do and don't wanna break a

fingernail. We don't need to take a step back with older player's....Step up with speed to counter speed.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Ole Pappy Falcon

[Da_Truth]

We need to stop bringing in these "has beens" and go young. Champ is on the wrong side of 30. Plus we do not have a good track record of bringing in any FAs that's been worth a d@mn since TD and Smitty's arrival.

[Herr Doktor]

He's 35. Never played safety in the pros. He's lost a couple of steps. We.cut Asante for the same.perceptions.

Most want him here because they are UGA Homers and they remember back when he was a stud at corner. It's fast forward 12 years later.

[Snowen]

if Champ is our 4th CB, I wouldnt mind it. Good vet backup.

Trufant, Alford, McClain, Champ .. thats a pretty solid CB depth.

You ever wonder that.. Rob Alford, if you take away the "AL" - its Rob Ford, Mayor of Toronto? I noticed that while at the Buffalo game with Rob Ford in the crowd. -_-

[Objective Critic]

I mean we did just draft a pair of safetys last season....has Champ ever played FS?

You made a couple of good points in this thread. I've stated in another thread that older free agents are not going to sit there and tutor the young guys anyway.

Let's use Champ Bailey as an example. He is going to be too busy learning free safety rather than trying to teach other people about playing corner.

Most of these kids are already expected to know how to play their position anyway. Coaches are there to refine their talents and put the players in the best position to win.

The players are NOT being paid to teach anyone. They have their own problems to figure out. In short I agree with you.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Objective Critic

[MD-FalconFan13]

We probably have one of the youngest defenses in the league and will be younger after the draft. It's ok to have some vet leadership. What's the solution if Byrd comes too high? We can't afford to play a rookie there this season. For all that we may as well stay with Decoud until we find the fs of the future.

Newflash buddy! Byrd could be our future, if only we had the balls to pursue him. Champ while one of the greatest, will be more of a coach than impact player on the field.

Byrd would do both. Not the inspirational leader or master technician that Champ is. But a young athletically gifted and talented safety in his prime. Would give us a scary secondary for some time. And allow Matt to sharpen his passing against elite defense. Just a thought.

[kiwifalcon]

Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson, Arenas Williams are a few that made the transition at the end of their careers and did great. If a safety was great at coverage he'd be playing corner. Lol. Champ is good enough to play fs. He still has 4.4 speed and is still a ball hawk. He's not slow at all. He just doesn't have corner hips anymore. He has plenty of safety hips tho. He can play FS at a higher level than some that's been playing there since they came into the league simply because he's a cerebral player like a Rod and Charles Woodson. If Byrd won't play ball with the pay he wants champ is a good stop gap until we get the fs of the future.

The people doubting Bailey are.

1.Judging Bailey's performance in the SB

2. Want us to get Byrd.

3.Think its a better gamble on retaining DeCoud or going safety in the draft.

4.Are wanting Bailey from 3 years ago.If Bailey was still playing at that level there's no way he hits the market.

For me all I want is that vet influence,a guy who has good instincts against the Run & especially the Pass and a dude who won't break the bank and can still get it done for a year or 2.

[TheFatboi]

Newflash buddy! Byrd could be our future, if only we had the balls to pursue him. Champ while one of the greatest, will be more of a coach than impact player on the field.

Byrd would do both. Not the inspirational leader or master technician that Champ is. But a young athletically gifted and talented safety in his prime. Would give us a scary secondary for some time. And allow Matt to sharpen his passing against elite defense. Just a thought.

Obviously you didn't read the part where I said "what's the solution if Byrd comes too high" buddy? Basically saying I'm all for Byrd but if he wants to be the highest paid safety when we need to really focus on the lines then champ could be a stop gap at safety until that guy comes. There's nothing wrong with champ and he can still play at a high level. Especially FS. And I'm willing to bet he can play that position better than Decoud. SOOOOOOOO!!! Once again for the hard to comprehend, IF BYRD COST TOO MUCH, I'm ok with Champ because he's better than what we have at FS now. And only for 1 year. What better options are out there? Delmus is a ticking injury. RIF

[TheFatboi]

The people doubting Bailey are.

1.Judging Bailey's performance in the SB

2. Want us to get Byrd.

3.Think its a better gamble on retaining DeCoud or going safety in the draft.

4.Are wanting Bailey from 3 years ago.If Bailey was still playing at that level there's no way he hits the market.

For me all I want is that vet influence,a guy who has good instincts against the Run & especially the Pass and a dude who won't break the bank and can still get it done for a year or 2.

My point exactly. Champ was playing hurt in the SB. I'm all for a good rookie FS but after we work on the lines what will be left in the draft worthy of fielding day one? I want Byrd too but I'm thinking about the trenches and if he comes at a hefty price tag then we should pass and go stop gap for one year. Ppl make reading so hard. Not once did I say I didn't want Byrd. Only said he wants to be the highest paid safety and that will cause problems for more pressing needs like DE,DT, OG and OT. FS comes after all that. If we get those 4 positions taken care of by all means get Byrd or draft a guy that's the future if one is still on the board. Like I said earlier Decoud will play at a pro bowl level again if we can get to the qb as far a coverage goes. His Tackling is another thing.

Edited March 9, 2014 by TheFatboi

[TheFatboi]

You made a couple of good points in this thread. I've stated in another thread that older free agents are not going to sit there and tutor the young guys anyway.

Let's use Champ Bailey as an example. He is going to be too busy learning free safety rather than trying to teach other people about playing corner.

Most of these kids are already expected to know how to play their position anyway. Coaches are there to refine their talents and put the players in the best position to win.

The players are NOT being paid to teach anyone. They have their own problems to figure out. In short I agree with you.

Depends on who that player is as a person. Asante tutored Tru and Alford and he knew he was training his replacements and did it anyway. That's why it's good to have vet leadership because you are exactly right. They DON'T teach you how to play your position because they expect you to already know how. Asante told me that personally. As for learning FS it would not be hard for a guy like champ because he's a cerebral guy that played chess on the field. Which is basically all the FS does against the qb. He's also seen every formation there is to see in this game and all the best qb's if our generation many times. It's not uncommon for older corners to transition into good safeties. Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson, Arenas Williams, but those guys are cerebral like champ. They're all cut from the same cloth. Knowing the type person champ is he will teach a little out there even while learning the position, which he's already basically learned because of his experience in the league playing on the FS side

[Mr.11]

Champ Bailey at FS seems like a viable option. This organization might have to do a little convincing that when at least relatively healthy, we stand a good chance to win the Super Bowl.