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He's not the best player on the team.. If we dont get Clowney which we might now.... its a good chance the Raiders will snatch him we should go LB... mainly cause we still get killed by TE's and we have strong potential there. It's time we stop placing our faith in QB's to lead us.... Ryan is not going to get any better and were gonna lose our tandom after next season.. We need an Elite Defense... With a defensive MVP

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building around Ryan would insinuate he's not the best player on the team...for example, you can give Peyton mid tier talent and he'll still give you a formidable offense. you need top shelf talent around Kurt Warner to get a good offense though.

we need to help Ryan with a good run game and better pass blocking so he doesn't have to carry this team by himself...we're not at our best when he does. some of our biggest blowouts had Turner with 150+ and Ryan with 200

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building around Ryan would insinuate he's not the best player on the team...for example, you can give Peyton mid tier talent and he'll still give you a formidable offense. you need top shelf talent around Kurt Warner to get a good offense though.

we need to help Ryan with a good run game and better pass blocking so he doesn't have to carry this team by himself...we're not at our best when he does. some of our biggest blowouts had Turner with 150+ and Ryan with 200

Manning has always had great recievers. His only sb came at the hands of a great defensive effort, not because of manning. So bad example.

Even this year manning is loaded with talent

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He's not the best player on the team.. If we dont get Clowney which we might now.... its a good chance the Raiders will snatch him we should go LB... mainly cause we still get killed by TE's and we have strong potential there. It's time we stop placing our faith in QB's to lead us.... Ryan is not going to get any better and were gonna lose our tandom after next season.. We need an Elite Defense... With a defensive MVP

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I agree with building an elite defense. We've tried the explosive offense route. Time to invest heavily in the defense. We need a lights out D.

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Manning has always had great recievers. His only sb came at the hands of a great defensive effort, not because of manning. So bad example.

Even this year manning is loaded with talent

in 2010 he had pretty mid tier talent...and I remember when people scoffed at Denver's weapons being comparable to ours, but now Peyton is loaded with talent :lol: they weren't this good without him(with the exception of Welker the slot gawd)...surprising

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Bullll Sheeet. Building an NFL CALIBER Oline around is exactly the answer. Wakw up and smell the roses. In this case reality

We've had a decent oline before and we still got smoked in the playoffs. Let's try to focus on a lock down D for once. We can still patch up the line but I wouldnt worry about anything else. Build a menacing defense.

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We've had a decent oline before and we still got smoked in the playoffs. Let's try to focus on a lock down D for once. We can still patch up the line but I wouldnt worry about anything else. Build a menacing defense.

Is that the same thing as a competent defense? If it does, we gotta get DeCoud the f**k outta here.

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We've had a decent oline before and we still got smoked in the playoffs. Let's try to focus on a lock down D for once. We can still patch up the line but I wouldnt worry about anything else. Build a menacing defense.

our o-line was schemed around to look decent, yes...especially when team's actually feared the run from us. if we get a run game like 08, with a better defense, we'd be set...

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He's not the best player on the team.. If we dont get Clowney which we might now.... its a good chance the Raiders will snatch him we should go LB... mainly cause we still get killed by TE's and we have strong potential there. It's time we stop placing our faith in QB's to lead us.... Ryan is not going to get any better and were gonna lose our tandom after next season.. We need an Elite Defense... With a defensive MVP

Anthony Bar

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Well....................do you care to respond?

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People used to say not to build around Dilfer...they were right. Unfortunatly, where we're at right now, it's be easier to find 3 OL than 8-9 defensive players. Ryan has a very solid track record showning he can outscore most teams, most of the time...from his feet, not his arse, plus a run game.

Not even Baltimore could win a Championship again with that D, till a QB, OL and run game were in place.

I am a HUGE D guy, former 'D wins championships' disciple, but it will take a few years to build a SF/SEA defense and that's IF the Falcons get it right. We can win again next year with dudes who can protect Ryan and open some holes for the RB and most importantly gain ONE freakin yard when we need it.

If we had our line from 2010, we could have won the South this year, but to get to and win a SB, we'll have to have a better pass rush and FS.

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in 2010 he had pretty mid tier talent...and I remember when people scoffed at Denver's weapons being comparable to ours, but now Peyton is loaded with talent :lol: they weren't this good without him(with the exception of Welker the slot gawd)...surprising

You ever think maybe they weren't as good before manning because they had tim freaking tebow throwing them the ball? Dt, welker and decker are great recievers without manning not because of manning. Manning makes them better the same way they make manning better.

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You ever think maybe they weren't as good before manning because they had tim freaking tebow throwing them the ball? Dt, welker and decker are great recievers without manning not because of manning. Manning makes them better the same way they make manning better.

Kyle Orton sure did tear up the field with Decker and Thomas...and Manning makes them better where he has free reign to control the offense at the LOS and do whatever he wants on the field, so he gets people in the right places for easy plays, then hits them in stride. I'm not saying he's playing with scrubs in Denver, but there MIGHT be 2 other passers in the game putting up his numbers with those teammates...MAYBE...you're acting like he isn't breaking MULTIPLE longstanding pass records that others have only broken recently.

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He's our most expensive player... not the best..... Julio is our best... Tony b4 that... Then Roddy.... We've all just witnessed what happens to the choir boy when we lose 2 of those 3.... The Panthers figured it out..... The invested more in there D to give newton more opportunities to shine....

Hmmmmmmmm... Pretty sure those guys you listed wouldn't be any good without Ryan unless you ask our backups. Oh wait....

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Building around Ryan means we have run up the score to dominate.... Not gonna happen with Ryan.... Defense is the way to go for this Franchise... Bring back the Gritz Blitz!!!! biggrin.png

our biggest blow outs had Turner with 150+ and Ryan just with 200+...it's not necessarily running up the score, just controlling the clock while not being stopped. I agree we need more defensive help, but if we don't get Ryan a run game and o-line he'll end up hurting us more than helping us.

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