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Matt Ryan Turned the Falcons team around. Do people realize how bad this team was before Ryan Came. Vick was getting us any super bowls. Also yall are talking about the past right now. Looking Dumb. What has Scam done lately. NOthing. He didnt turn his organization around. His defense gives him amazing field position.

Cam Newton doesn't win Games. Matt Ryan does as shown against he buccaneers but you can only doo so much with a predictable coach. Matt Ryan has to deal with Mike Smith, NO offensive line. No Weapons and no run game. And no defense. Cam Newton would crack under that type of pressure. Do people not remember that Cam Newton for the past two seasons have been such a failure and been caught moping and crying like a chump on the sidelines cuz he was producing to standard.

Cam has a good run game, decent wide receivers, pretty good o-line with a great defense and some pretty decent to good coaches.

Mike Smith has been doing the same thing year after year with the predictability. He hasn't gotten better he hasnt improved as a coach and has shown no creativity really until he is pushed into a wall. Matt Ryan, Tony G, Roddy White, and turner, was carryng this team and doing their thing not Mike.

We have Young CB and DB with no pass rush right now. Geno Looked like a top 10 QB against our defense. If we cant put pressure on the QB. Any QB with decent vet WR can **** on our secondary and backs because they have that time,comfortability zone to make plays. No sweat.

It could be they are screwing over Gonzales and have a master plan. Bring in Gonzales to train up tolilio as his replacement since he has height athletic and pretty decent hands that he can improve on. Good mentor Ship. Right now we have a QB questionably an Elite QB. Even if you say he isnt. You cant say he cannot play at the Elite level or isnt elite material and is showing it. We have Young Promising WRs and RBs. We have YOUNG inexperienced Secondary. The only thing we dont have really is an offensive line. And a Defensive line for the pass and to stop the run. Our Young secondary and backs they are showing promise and with the uphill battle of having to guard WR who have time to get open and make their move is only gonna get better.

ALOT of cap space is gonna free up this offseason. We have our Young DBs and Amazing WRs, replacements for Tony and a decent backs. If we end up with some top pick placement and trade up for some more. We can come out big with a amazing o-line and a pass rush. with a big fattie in the middle to stop the run. Like a 320 stud.

I can See Harry Douglass, Kevin Cone, S, Jax, Asante Samuels(yeah i plurraled that name), Jason Sneiling being dumped for cap space. I think we also nabbed sean baker too who looks like a freaking beast. I say we train up DD and DJ. Give Rodgers and some of the younger backs some play time and improve them over the season. If we get an Offensive Line going next year. We dont need a hall of fame potential running back. We can use Vaughn, Smith, and Rodgers to fill in specific roles. NO BIG NAME RUNNING BACKS. we are not a running team anymore. We have sufficient skill at that level to do the job with some who can be potential beast. With a good o-line we can be productive. Sjax is not making a difference in the run game. It cant happen.

Even though its ****** to Tony G. But if thats what he is planning then I guess he would be a genius. But i may just be too hopeful.

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It would also be interesting to hear a Falcon fan explain the reasoning/difference behind/between dogging Cam despite his record breaking stats his first couple years for his under .500 record yet today the vast majority here seem to realize that wins are a team stat and that Ryan can't do it all himself despite having good numbers prior to this recent game against Arizona.

Wins and losses is the #1 thing Falcons fans resort to when attacking Cam but now it isn't fair for the rest of the league to do the same thing for Ryan when the team as a whole isn't getting it done now much like Cam's team wasn't early in his career? Cam had no defense his rookie year and a top rated offense. His second season Carolina set a franchise record with 15+ on injured reserve and an offensive coordinator that was auditioning for a head coaching position rather than putting his team in the best position to win. But now it isn't on Ryan when his team is 2-5? Cam took all the blame here on TATF when his team started slow despite there being other monumental issues with the team across the board. Seems to me that what goes around; comes around. At least this way you can all learn that wins and losses are a team stat and cannot be attributed to one player. Panther fans for over three seasons now have been saying that Cam is the least of our problems. That he cannot do it himself. Sound familiar? I'm just glad our new general manager realizes that games are won and lost up front in the trenches. Four our sake I hope Dimitroff remains at the helm in Atlanta for a long time. Can never have too many skill positions! rolleyes.gif

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How anybody can argue that having a good defense doesn't make a QB look better I will never know.

The Panthers have one of the best defences in the game. This means that Cam has longer on offense and a better chance of getting more touchdowns, yards, etc.

Teams can keep the ball for as long as they like against us because we are incapable of getting their offense off the field. They just walk down the field at a leisurely pace and get a touchdown.

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Ryan was sacked 4 times and hit 11 times and had 4INT

Brees was sacked 4 times and hit 9 times and had 5 TDs

Other QBs are seeing pressure and still succeeding

1) I hate it when someone comments and they didn't bother watching the game.

2) Child come back when you have a clue or they let you out at recess.

3) Ryan would kill to have the Taints O-Line

4) Ryan had as many completions as Brees had attempts 34 BTW.

5) The taints had almost 3 times as many rushing yards as the Falcons had, half of our rushing yards came on 1 carry by Ryan

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It would also be interesting to hear a Falcon fan explain the reasoning/difference behind/between dogging Cam despite his record breaking stats his first couple years for his under .500 record yet today the vast majority here seem to realize that wins are a team stat and that Ryan can't do it all himself despite having good numbers prior to this recent game against Arizona.

Wins and losses is the #1 thing Falcons fans resort to when attacking Cam but now it isn't fair for the rest of the league to do the same thing for Ryan when the team as a whole isn't getting it done now much like Cam's team wasn't early in his career? Cam had no defense his rookie year and a top rated offense. His second season Carolina set a franchise record with 15+ on injured reserve and an offensive coordinator that was auditioning for a head coaching position rather than putting his team in the best position to win. But now it isn't on Ryan when his team is 2-5? Cam took all the blame here on TATF when his team started slow despite there being other monumental issues with the team across the board. Seems to me that what goes around; comes around. At least this way you can all learn that wins and losses are a team stat and cannot be attributed to one player. Panther fans for over three seasons now have been saying that Cam is the least of our problems. That he cannot do it himself. Sound familiar? I'm just glad our new general manager realizes that games are won and lost up front in the trenches. Four our sake I hope Dimitroff remains at the helm in Atlanta for a long time. Can never have too many skill positions! rolleyes.gif

well said, I completely agree with everything you've said and seen the same things concerning Cam's situation for years.
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Need a serious upgrade at left guard move Blalock to the right move Reynolds outside. Since were stuck with broken baker need someone even better than Blalock to compensate for whoever is at left tackle. Blalock on the right with Reynolds at a position more suited to his body type Matt might actually be able to stay up right and not forced to throw up duck prayers.

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Need a serious upgrade at left guard move Blalock to the right move Reynolds outside. Since were stuck with broken baker need someone even better than Blalock to compensate for whoever is at left tackle. Blalock on the right with Reynolds at a position more suited to his body type Matt might actually be able to stay up right and not forced to throw up duck prayers.

How about 4 new O-linemen? Guaranteed contracts or not, sometimes you have to just take your losses and keep it moving. 2 FAs and 2 draft picks(1st two draft picks). That bs of what ppl call an O-line that's been on the field this season is a joke. None of their jobs should be safe. All of that "give them time to gel" shjt is laughable right now. I don't even think we cracked 40 rushing yards in 2 games combined. Matt got sacked 5 times yesterday. WTF is that? Edited by Yep281986
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How about 4 new O-linemen? Guaranteed contracts or not, sometimes you have to just take your losses and keep it moving. 2 FAs and 2 draft picks(1st two draft picks). That bs of what ppl call an O-line that's been on the field this season is a joke. None of their jobs should be safe. All of that "give them time to gel" shjt is laughable right now. I don't even think we cracked 40 rushing yards in 2 games combined. Matt got sacked 5 times yesterday. WTF is that?

Sure way to season ending IR if this is the way we continue to protect our most valued asset.
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How about 4 new O-linemen? Guaranteed contracts or not, sometimes you have to just take your losses and keep it moving. 2 FAs and 2 draft picks(1st two draft picks). That bs of what ppl call an O-line that's been on the field this season is a joke. None of their jobs should be safe. All of that "give them time to gel" shjt is laughable right now. I don't even think we cracked 40 rushing yards in 2 games combined. Matt got sacked 5 times yesterday. WTF is that?

the oline is an engine independent components working together to move the car. If one part of that engine is askew whether the timing (continuity) or a broke part (baker) or just the wrong part (Reynolds playing out of position) your car isn't going to move. This engine isn't to the point where you need a new car or engine.
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Just curious.

or Packers or Seahawks this year?

just ours . Maybe cause Ryan is not a play maker and looks like a stiff vs any pressure ?

http://miketanier.sp...tackle-trouble/

This year’s Super Bowl champion may not be the team with the best quarterback or smartest coach. It will probably be the team with two healthy, effective offensive tackles.

This has been the Year of the Tackle in many ways. Three of the first four players taken in April’s draft were offensive tackles, and all three are starting. Other rookies, from second-tier prospects like D.J. Fluker and Jordan Pugh to developmental players like David Bakhtiari, have found themselves in starting lineups. While the rookies train on the job, teams have juggled past prospects in midseason, with Levi Brown, Eugene Monroe and Bryant McKinnie trading hands in a Great Tackle Shuffle as teams desperately try to quell midseason catastrophes. The best teams in the NFL have suffered tackle crises, as have the worst, and many of the teams in the middle are dealing with what is best described as a “developing situation.”

The following list of eight teams whose tackle situations will shape the 2013 season is not exhaustive; the Falcons, Steelers and Texans are among several teams that could easily have made the cut. But the teams below are in danger of failing short of the Super Bowl, missing the playoffs or leaving their division doors wide open, all because of injuries, inexperience or ineffectiveness on the edges of the offensive line.

1. Miami Dolphins

Tackle Trouble: Jonathan Martin is not yet an NFL left tackle. Tyson Clabo is no longer an NFL-caliber player. It took the Dolphins six games and 26 sacks to bottom out and admit they had a problem. Entering the Great Tackle Shuffle late, they came away with Bryant McKinnie, whose four decent games in the last two years happened to be Ravens playoff games.

Week 8 Update: McKinnie started on the left, with Martin moving over to the right. Both tackles played well until the moment McKinnie gave up a strip sack midway through the third quarter. After that, it was open season on Ryan Tannehill.

The Skinny: The Dolphins have been able to protect Tannehill through three quarters in several recent games, but everything blows up in the fourth quarter. The fault lies not just with the tackles, but with Tannehill, Joe Philbin and coordinator Mike Sherman. Tannehill gets rattled and presses when things go wrong, and the coaches don’t balance runs with passes or mix in screens/draws to temper the pass rush late in games. (The Dolphins are not getting blown out, so there has not been that much need to go into pass-only mode.) The tackle problem is swallowing the Dolphins’ season whole, and McKinnie has little chance of being a solution.

2. Denver Broncos

Tackle Trouble: Ryan Clady is on the IR with a Lisfranc injury. Veteran understudy Chris Clark has filled in well, but when right tackle Orlando Franklin suffered an ankle injury, the Broncos had to scramble before the Colts game. Luis Vasquez moved from guard to tackle, Chris Kuper (another bench veteran) took over at guard, and the Colts registered four sacks and 10 hits against Peyton Manning, which is not supposed to happen.

Week 8 Update: Franklin returned and restored order. Clark has acclimated well. Manning was clean most of the afternoon against the Redskins.

The Skinny: Peyton Manning does more to help his offensive line than any quarterback in NFL history. He just needs a line good enough to accept the help. Clark and Franklin will never be mistaken for two of the Hogs, but as long as they’re playing, Manning leads a Super Bowl-caliber offense. If the Broncos have to shuffle again, though, things could get dicey.

3. Detroit Lions

Tackle Trouble: Both left tackle Riley Reiff and right tackle Corey Hilliard were knocked out of last week’s Bengals game and were limited all week in practice. Jason Fox, who opened the season as a starting tackle, got knocked out of his first two games with injuries and was subsequently benched. Undrafted rookie LaAdrian Waddle played both right and left tackle against the Bengals, though not at the same time.

Week 8 Update: Reiff and Waddle started against the Cowboys. Both played well. The Cowboys recorded just one sack, though Waddle had a tough time with Jarius Wynn, who tackled Reggie Bush in the backfield a few times, and Matthew Stafford scrambled more often than anyone would like to see.

The Skinny: There does not appear to be much dropoff from Fox to Hilliard to Waddle. The Lions can stay in the playoff chase with the tackle tandem they started against the Cowboys, and if all four tackles become healthy at once, they will have enviable depth.

4. Seattle Seahawks

Tackle Trouble: Russell Okung (toe) has started participating in some non-contact activities. With Okung out, Pat McQuistan moved from right to left tackle, and other injuries caused a ripple effect that gave the world Lemuel Jeanpierre and forced the Seahawks to be extra-perfect on defense while Russell Wilson gave figure skating exhibitions in the pocket.

Week 8 Update: Okung spent this week working at Starbucks. The Seahawks took part in a fundraiser, and Okung joined Pete Carroll and others as acting baristas for the coffee chain. This photo shows Carroll looking a little too happy to be working the drive-thru at some suburban location. You would think Coach would get the Pike Place store, but he didn’t mind, as he was clearly crushing and snorting espresso beans all morning.

The Skinny: With their defense and Wilson’s improvisational skills, the Seahawks can reach the playoffs with a banged-up line, but they remain in constant danger of stalling out on offense as long as Wilson and Marshawn Lynch need all of their creativity and talent to get back to the line of scrimmage.

5. Baltimore Ravens

Tackle Trouble: Bryant McKinnie was the type of player who would let Super Bowl success go to his head. And his waist. And his thighs. And some other McKinnie body parts best not thought about.

Week 8 Update: The Ravens are on bye week. Eugene Monroe took over for McKinnie before the Dolphins trade. Monroe surrendered a strip sack against the Packers last week when he allowed a defender to blow right past him, but otherwise he played a solid game. Ravens fans should get used to that from Monroe: one thunderous error per game, surrounded by hours of moderate competence. On the right side, Michael Oher remains the most famous ordinary-at-best offensive tackle in human history. (Edging out Tony Mandarich.)

The Skinny: The Browns-Bengals-Bears-Jets post-bye schedule is a 3-1 opportunity with Jay Cutler hurt, the Browns going belly-up and the Jets struggling. But if the offensive line play does not improve, the Bengals will win the division without looking back.

6. Green Bay Packers

Tackle Trouble: Rookie David Bakhtiari took over at left tackle when Bryan Bulaga suffered a season-ending injury in August. Bakhtiari has been as good as the Packers could hope for so far. Sophomore Don Barclay won a starting job in camp but has played poorly in recent weeks. Veterans Marshall Newhouse and Derek Sherrod (who returned to the Packers this week after being released in camp) got some midweek snaps at right tackle.

Week 8 Update: Barclay kept his starting job. Everson Griffen pushed him around a lot, but Bahkiari did a fine job against Jared Allen, and when you control Allen, you control the Vikings pass rush. Both tackles did a fine job run blocking as the Packers opted to grind the game out.

The Skinny: Aaron Rodgers would not know what to do if he found himself behind five healthy, effective offensive linemen. Bakhtiari is not pretty to watch, but he is effective. If the Packers can find someone better than Barclay, they will reach the playoffs and make some noise. Even if they don’t replace Barclay, Rodgers could scramble and improvise his way into the postseason.

7. San Diego Chargers

Tackle Trouble: King Dunlap suffered his second concussion of the season against the Jaguars. Mike Harris, who started in Dunlap’s place earlier in the season, is on IR with an ankle injury. Multi-position sub Rich Ohrnberger was pressed into service when Dunlap went down last week. Right tackle D.J. Fluker is a mastodon of a man who sometimes blocks is if he has been stuffed and mounted.

Week 8 Update: Dunlap was able to run and perform other light practice activities during the bye week. At his best, he is a borderline-adequate tackle, an oak tree that better defenders can easily get under and around.

The Skinny: The Chargers have the Broncos in two weeks and the Chiefs in four. They could be fun spoilers, or even wild-card gate crashers, but it all depends on those tackles, because the Chargers are not going to win many games with their defense.

8. Arizona Cardinals

Tackle Trouble: Bruce Arians traded Levi Brown to the Steelers as soon as he had a good look at him. Bradley Sowell, claimed off the waiver wire early in the season, took over at left tackle. Sowell got destroyed by the Seahawks two weeks ago, though it’s hard to imagine what Arians expected from him against a team with five different outstanding pass rushers. Old pro Eric Winston, another late acquisition, is showing his age at right tackle.

Week 8 Update: Sowell faced Osi Umenyiora this week and did not get obliterated. Sowell missed a block that led to a roughing-the-passer penalty but had an otherwise quiet day. Winston also had an uneventful afternoon. Executing just 51 plays while the defense does the grunt work in a 27-13 win helps.

The Skinny: The best way to protect bad offensive tackles is to “stay on schedule” offensively: balance run and pass, stay productive on early downs, avoid 3rd-and-12 at all costs. That is easier said than done, as bad tackle situations snowball: a missed block leads to 3rd-and-long, which leads to another missed block, which leads to a 10-point deficit, which leads to more passing downs, and so on. The Cardinals built a 24-6 lead against the Falcons and skipped all of those problems. But in the NFC West, and with Arians committed to a downfield passing attack, those problems will return. The Cardinals were just fortunate to face a Falcons team with a tackle problem of its own: Sam Baker is hurt, and a banged-up offensive line is just one of Atlanta’s many problems.

The Falcons entered the season as contenders. A team with tackle troubles does not stay a contender for very long.

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Well, Ryan has been successful (barring yesterday's awful showing) so far as stats are concerned. Plenty of yards, touchdowns, high CMP %, and he's kept this team in most of our game's so far this season. Winning comes with adequate team play though. RGIII and Russel Wilson have people to throw to, they have a run game, and a defense. Cam Newton's got a competent run game, a strong defense, and a #1 WR. And I'd wager their lines are at least a little better than ours...at least at run-blocking, or maybe it's their RB's. I don't feel like any RB can tear it up behind our lines at this point. I haven't watched much Skins football but I was under the impression they had a good O-line. Anyway.

Ryan has been good, the team hasn't. At this point I could care less about stats, I want wins. Oh well.

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Well, Ryan has been successful (barring yesterday's awful showing) so far as stats are concerned. Plenty of yards, touchdowns, high CMP %, and he's kept this team in most of our game's so far this season. Winning comes with adequate team play though. RGIII and Russel Wilson have people to throw to, they have a run game, and a defense. Cam Newton's got a competent run game, a strong defense, and a #1 WR. And I'd wager their lines are at least a little better than ours...at least at run-blocking, or maybe it's their RB's. I don't feel like any RB can tear it up behind our lines at this point. I haven't watched much Skins football but I was under the impression they had a good O-line. Anyway.

Ryan has been good, the team hasn't. At this point I could care less about stats, I want wins. Oh well.

Yes, the Redskins and Panthers lines are better than ours.

And for the Redskins, its led to similar results.

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