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His first losing season since he has been here, he is not getting fired and neither is Smith. Koetter and Nolan may not be around but they won't be fired may just jump ship. This is Dimitroff's biggest ever draft, since his first and he got it right with Ryan so lets hope the talent level in this draft is high for the positions we need.

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Exactly!! Everyone knows games are won and lost in the trenches except TD apparently.

The O-line, specifically the right side of it, is inexcusable for Dimitroff but what their strategy on defense is pretty clear. It's in rebuild mode from cover 2 4-3 to a man hybrid defense. They decided to address the secondary first since that is Nolan's bread and butter so they wanted that secured for the future first and judging from what I'm seeing with this upcoming CB class I'm pretty glad for that. That obviously left holes in the front seven but the assumption, I presume, was that Nolan would be able to continue what he did last year by making the front seven play beyond their talent. The problem, obviously, has been that the front seven has been hit the hardest by injuries and now the talent level is so low that not even Nolan can do much with it.

Is that partially on the GM? Of course. He could have made some moves to build more solid depth there but there isn't much you can do with injuries. I know people like to beat the Seymour dead horse but he was only going to play for a huge contract and his decline meant he was not worth bringing in due to those demands. It was clear from the start that the front seven was going to get the primary focus this offseason, especially since three of our DTs are in contract years, and it may line up very well for us. Paul Soliai and BJ Raji are both in contract years with little hints that they're going to be retained so either would fill the NT void and the DT class is very deep and I am very partial to Ra'Shede Hageman. A three DT front of Hageman, Peters (I want him re-signed), and either Raji or Soliai would go a very long way for us in terms of turning the defense around.

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Having a losing season has nothing to do with the need to fire them.

If we were undefeated, and we still had the same problems that we have had for years under Smitty/TD, then I would still call for their jobs.

This team is not, and never has been, built for a real championship run. It was built for 7-on-7 drills and the regular season.

The talent that is here has not been developed. Ever. It is almost impossible for TD to have missed on EVERY SINGLE PICK IN ROUNDS 4 - 7 FOR SIX YEARS. No one could possibly be that incompetent. You could run catnip on the cards and draft the ones she picks and get at least a few hits, just by pure dumb luck. So the coaches share in the liability for our dreadful lack of talent outside the skill positions.

The coaches are responsible for horrid clock management. Rain Man could handle the clock better. At least he definitely knows what time it is and what to do at that time.

The players have admitted to not playing with a sense of urgency. That is on both the players and the coaches. Players know that they can under-perform and not get benched. Conversely, younger guys know that barring injury, no matter how well they play, they'll never start over a Smitty Boy veteran.

+1. Very well said.

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Yes. He didn't do what he needed to this offseason but his mistakes were amplified 10x over by injuries to key players. S Jax wasn't a bad signing. He was coming off his eight 1,000 yard season, and was younger and healthier than Turner. His contract was very managable.

At the time, releasing Clabo looked like a stupid decision. Now we see he's arguably the worst OT in the NFL. Maybe we should have kept Grimes and grabbed a DE with our first or second pick, but Grimes proved time and again he's injury prone and he cost us a fortune to play half a game last year.

We shouldn't have cut Abe, but Osi has at least replaced his production. So where did we go wrong? When we cut Dunta and Owens? Everyone was behind those cuts at the time. And now we've got all these injuries on defense, which amplifies whichever weakness TD neglected. Did TD neglect the O-line? Sure, but that too was amplified by injuries to Baker and Johnson. McClure retired, not sure that's on TD.

TD couldn't foresee injuries to all our team's key players not-named Ryan for that either. After all our success Dimitroff shouldn't be jettisoned for one bad season. This coming offseason he will be forced to concentrate on the lines (particularly O-line), and we'll be picking high for the first time in a while. A good draft, offseason, and not being the most injury-ravaged team in the NFL should spell good things for next season.

most teams have a solid roster after 6 years together.

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The O-line, specifically the right side of it, is inexcusable for Dimitroff but what their strategy on defense is pretty clear. It's in rebuild mode from cover 2 4-3 to a man hybrid defense. They decided to address the secondary first since that is Nolan's bread and butter so they wanted that secured for the future first and judging from what I'm seeing with this upcoming CB class I'm pretty glad for that. That obviously left holes in the front seven but the assumption, I presume, was that Nolan would be able to continue what he did last year by making the front seven play beyond their talent. The problem, obviously, has been that the front seven has been hit the hardest by injuries and now the talent level is so low that not even Nolan can do much with it.

Is that partially on the GM? Of course. He could have made some moves to build more solid depth there but there isn't much you can do with injuries. I know people like to beat the Seymour dead horse but he was only going to play for a huge contract and his decline meant he was not worth bringing in due to those demands. It was clear from the start that the front seven was going to get the primary focus this offseason, especially since three of our DTs are in contract years, and it may line up very well for us. Paul Soliai and BJ Raji are both in contract years with little hints that they're going to be retained so either would fill the NT void and the DT class is very deep and I am very partial to Ra'Shede Hageman. A three DT front of Hageman, Peters (I want him re-signed), and either Raji or Soliai would go a very long way for us in terms of turning the defense around.

Falcons can't afford Raji/Soliai.

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I think the quick success really hurt TD's maturation as a GM. Rather than going into his first couple of drafts as a GM of a young, threadbare team which would need to be nurtured with blue chip, core draft picks, the team gets to the play-offs on Turner's legs and Ryan's arm and suddenly TD's and Smith's whole focus is getting that "one missing piece" to take this team to the Super Bowl, just as it was.

Now, after five drafts, it's evident that not nearly enough attention was placed on the trenches. This is really inexcusable. The DL has had no pas rush capability for several years, and the OL has also looked pretty inconsistent on pass protection and downright awful on run blocking for at least the past two years.

Blank is now faced with the tough decision, does he dump TD and try to find somebody who has a proven track record of success as a GM in the NFL, or is there a candidate with the credentials and the ability to step up in to the job? He may well reason TD is smart enough not to make the same mistakes. Of course the problem is, he's already made these same dam mistakes, every single draft when he didn't get some first and second-round talent for the DL and OL.

The last thing Arthur Blank wants to happen is for this team to be in a mediocre or losing situation and experiencing a lot of fan rebellion and disgust right about the time his new billion dollar money-printing machine opens for business. And looking at the current state of the franchise, I think to ensure this team begins to acquire the players it must have to be competitive, a new GM has to be hired immediately. Even if a new GM were hired tonight, he would still be hard-pressed to do much in the way of an overhaul by 2017. Giving TD another year to splash around with his scatter-shot method could set the franchise back another two or three years in the recovery process and leave Blank staring at cavernous sections of empty seats and tv black-outs in the first year of the new stadium. I don't think he dares risk that.

At least if Blank fires TD and MS and hires a new GM, he will show Atlanta fans he's trying. If nothing else fans can look forward to a fresh approach, new leadership and reason to hope again.

Nice post Poker you have some very valid points and though i no you want a clean out I can respect what you are saying.,

BUT.

Blanks dilemma here is if he brings in a new crew of coaches & a GM where does this leave the team for me its like we've said the last 5 years have been a failure which clearly they have not.

While I will agree here that time is short for this regime I personally think you give them 1 more year regardless let them get the help they undoubtedly need up front on both sides of the ball and then see if this corrects our current predicament.

If not I'm with you then Blank seriously needs to look at TD & MS as being the correct people to take us foward.

As for me Nolan & Koetter stay.When looking at the big picture if we are off loading people you gotta start with your vision makers at the top then move on down.

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I've said this before, and I'll say it again, TD invested 17 draft picks in the "trenches." He's also signed free agents. Investment isnt the issue.

Overall talent is part of the issue but use of talent is the bigger issue.

I only have one argument with the trenches issue especially on the o-line side of the ball it seems we are very insistant in cross training guys and drafting guys at certain position and then changing them at the next level Garrett Reynolds is a one that springs to mind drafted as a RT now plays RG probably the wrong body type to play inside but this is just my opinion though.

What I'm getting at here maybe going foward we need to go with specialists at a certain spot so if you draft a guy say at RG he plays RG at the next level.

I think this is why alot of the learning curve has slowed with some of our guys because they are being overloaded with all this cross training instead of just improving at that 1 spot then get that down then a season or 2 down the track then learn.

I understand why they cross train though because of injury and such but for me if your drafting 3rd-5th rounders as your staple in the trenches maybe we need to stay focused on that sought of talent at there given position then cross train afterwards.

Just my thoughts on this anyways I could be wrong but thats how I'm seeing it.

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Reading posts like this are wonderful. It informs me of how crazy and stupid I am being when I take anything half you say serious.

How many winning seasons, yeah things aren't working out this season, but until this year TD and Mike Smith have always fielded a competitive team.

In fact I have always felt this season until our last game, I think they've earned a shot to fix the mess in the trenches.

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That is to completely ignore annual problems that are becoming blatantly obvious this year due to injuries because you're content with past success and not looking forward. Pathetic.

You have a short memory or haven't been a fan long. Go back and look at the records of some of the great coaches/teams and you'll see just about all of them had a down year. You like many others want a SB now and don't understand that injuries happen.

Pout and b!tch all you want but TD and Smitty will be here next season.

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The talent that is here has not been developed. Ever. It is almost impossible for TD to have missed on EVERY SINGLE PICK IN ROUNDS 4 - 7 FOR SIX YEARS. No one could possibly be that incompetent. You could run catnip on the cards and draft the ones she picks and get at least a few hits, just by pure dumb luck

The coaches are responsible for horrid clock management. Rain Man could handle the clock better. At least he definitely knows what time it is and what to do at that time.

The players have admitted to not playing with a sense of urgency. That is on both the players and the coaches. Players know that they can under-perform and not get benched. Conversely, younger guys know that barring injury, no matter how well they play, they'll never start over a Smitty Boy veteran.

Honestly I could say that, this is 100% TD's fault.

He is pretty terrible at securing talent between rounds 3-7. He always picks against conventional wisdom, obscure untalented players that no one cared to even scout. He has fallen flat on his face time and again.

Instead of kenbrell thompkins he takes kemal freaking ishmael, instead of murray he takes rodgers. He akways takes the guy that no ine even knows if he played football, and those small schoolnguys end up being atrocious.

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Then be prepared for a struggle to attain mediocrity, wasting Ryan's prime years, until the stupidity of the decision to keep a team in place that is woefully unprepared is laid bare.

I've seen your posts to know that I take everything you type with a grain of salt. I'm as disappointed as anyone on how this season has turned out but refuse to buy into the fire sale that some of you are asking for. Bet Blank isn't buying it either...

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Reading posts like this are wonderful. It informs me of how crazy and stupid I am being when I take anything half you say serious.

How many winning seasons, yeah things aren't working out this season, but until this year TD and Mike Smith have always fielded a competitive team.

In fact I have always felt this season until our last game, I think they've earned a shot to fix the mess in the trenches.

See my friend, regardless of our most recent success(s), past 5 yrs, I need more and won't just "Settle", just refuse to. Bar has already been raised by this regime. and besides, They have had, 5 yrs to fix this mess, but have failed miserably

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