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The Obamacare Website - How Does It Represent A Failure Of Government?


Leon Troutsky
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Foxconn does not make the Logic boards. The boards are made by Intel, so your point does not make sense. Foxconn only assembles the parts together.

Are you trying to imply that the developers/programmers deserve zero blame?

As an end user, I don't give a **** who made the product. I care about who I bought the product from. This is the way the real world works. You put your name on a product, or you allow your name to be out on a product, it is yours. It doesn't matter to anyone outside of your company who you subcontracted out to. If the plumbing in a building fails prematurely, the owner calls the GC, not the plumber.

So yes, this is all on Obama's shoulders. He's more than appropriate in finding out what went wrong and how, but as far as the American people are concerned, this is on him.

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It will be interesting to know who the architect of this website was, because it lacked some very basic functionality that I would expect. For instance, when giving quotes prior to purchasing, it broke pricing down into 2 categories based on age: over 50 and under 50. And then the pricing wars based on an age of either 27 or 50, depending on the category. So quotes were very far off from actual pricing for many people, particularly those in the late 40's and over 60.

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As an end user, I don't give a **** who made the product. I care about who I bought the product from. This is the way the real world works. You put your name on a product, or you allow your name to be out on a product, it is yours. It doesn't matter to anyone outside of your company who you subcontracted out to. If the plumbing in a building fails prematurely, the owner calls the GC, not the plumber.

So yes, this is all on Obama's shoulders. He's more than appropriate in finding out what went wrong and how, but as far as the American people are concerned, this is on him.

Nobody disagreed with this sentiment that I'm aware of. For myself, hold the administration officials responsible, especially considering that it sounds like they have continued the horrific no-bid practice without looking into the quality of the contractors.

My point in this thread is that the federal government did not create the website. Several private companies worked on it. To somehow say this proves that government can't do anything right is silly considering that it was private companies who appear to have screwed up, at least in part. It's a failure of hiring, not a failure of government per se.

To put it more simply, if a CEO of a corporation engages in bad hiring practices and something gets screwed up, we don't say that the corporation should shut its doors because it can't do anything right. We say that we should change the hiring practices and perhaps the CEO.

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Nobody disagreed with this sentiment that I'm aware of. For myself, hold the administration officials responsible, especially considering that it sounds like they have continued the horrific no-bid practice without looking into the quality of the contractors.

My point in this thread is that the federal government did not create the website. Several private companies worked on it. To somehow say this proves that government can't do anything right is silly considering that it was private companies who appear to have screwed up, at least in part. It's a failure of hiring, not a failure of government per se.

To put it more simply, if a CEO of a corporation engages in bad hiring practices and something gets screwed up, we don't say that the corporation should shut its doors because it can't do anything right. We say that we should change the hiring practices and perhaps the CEO.

the difference being that if a CEO/upper management (Congress, basically) keeps lining their pockets and making poor business decisions the company will eventually go under

that isn't the case with our government so there really isn't any incentive for change.

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To put it more simply, if a CEO of a corporation engages in bad hiring practices and something gets screwed up, we don't say that the corporation should shut its doors because it can't do anything right. We say that we should change the hiring practices and perhaps the CEO.

Bingo. I'd love a competent CEO. Been a while.

Problems with this ridiculous site do not concern me. Again, it will get fixed. Let me ask you - if, once the site is corrected and this thing rolls out ... who deserves fault if Obamacare does in fact fail? What if many of the promises we were fed turn out not to be true?

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the difference being that if a CEO/upper management (Congress, basically) keeps lining their pockets and making poor business decisions the company will eventually go under

that isn't the case with our government so there really isn't any incentive for change.

And once again, none of this is an argument that government has failed. None of this is proof that the private sector works more efficiently or effectively.

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And once again, none of this is an argument that government has failed. None of this is proof that the private sector works more efficiently or effectively.

the failure is ultimately on the public for not holding them accountable and being uninformed on issues and voting records

you have a situation where crooked politicians are taking advantage of an environment we have allowed to be created...very similar to insurance companies taking advantage of the environment that ACA has created or the wealthy taking advantage of the current economic situation that is due to the environment that our government created

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And once again, none of this is an argument that government has failed. None of this is proof that the private sector works more efficiently or effectively.

I posted how the government has failed, how it has always failed, and how it will continue to fail unless they take a private business approach to contracting out projects. I also posted how the private sector works more efficiently and effectively while contracting between organizations.

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Okay.. new nerd rage...

They claim no amount of testing could have prepared the site... I would like to know what was their anticipated load? how did they performance test this system? 20k users per second? 100k users per second? There are tools to help you simulate load that can be used to determine what would happen. I am interested because that is my current job. Who was the architect? Was he told bad requirements? I put money they threw people at this and just said get it done... I bet that code is an abomination (Obamination .. your welcome Republications)

SLOW DOWN!!! LPS is getting kind of technical. Don't want to lose your audience. I agree with you though. Though now that I think about it if SQA in the Federal Government is anything like SQA where I work, I'd be shocked if they knew how to login without an Admin present.

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Six hundred million dollars and three years to produce a relatively simple website that doesnt work. I would say that is a glowing example of government efficiency. With this as a bellwether of things to come with Obamacare, we can all be relieved that everything will be just fine.

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Six hundred million dollars and three years to produce a relatively simple website that doesnt work. I would say that is a glowing example of government efficiency. With this as a bellwether of things to come with Obamacare, we can all be relieved that everything will be just fine.

Simple interfaces are nice... But look into the implementation. Simple things aren't so simple under the covers. As much as you want to pile on, that site has to interface with all healthcare providers in the country... Think about that....

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Simple interfaces are nice... But look into the implementation. Simple things aren't so simple under the covers. As much as you want to pile on, that site has to interface with all healthcare providers in the country... Think about that....

Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars! I give you six hundred million dollars and three years to make a website that allows me to fill out a form and get a quote. You give me excuses. Edited by Flip Flop
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Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars! I give you six hundred million dollars and three years to make a website that allows me to fill out a form and get a quote. You give me excuses.

I agree with you 100%, I am just stating that it's wrong to call it simple that's all. Though in my opinion a small team could have done the work for waaaay cheaper. Probably $5-10M or less, all they had to do was create an interface that all healthcare companies had to adhere to. Though the design phase probably would have taken at least 3-9 months.

I blame the stupidity of how the government deals with contractors... But if you have no expertise, how would you know you were being screwed over? At the same time I bet they didn't even test the market at all. Still mad they gave the job to a Canadian company.

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Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars! I give you six hundred million dollars and three years to make a website that allows me to fill out a form and get a quote. You give me excuses.

$600,000,000.00

For that amount of money, an intern could have gone down to California, hired a handful of porn companies and have 1,000 websites up in under week that would work better than the disaster that we ended up with...

...and have enough money left over to make Obama: the movie.

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Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars. Six hundred million dollars! I give you six hundred million dollars and three years to make a website that allows me to fill out a form and get a quote. You give me excuses.

Just the contracts. WaPo reporting yesterday that when factoring in bonuses and other payouts it's closer to 1 Billion (so far)....

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