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I cannot wait until the midterm elections. The Tea Party is gonna come back into play as will Cruz, Rubio and Lee, come 2016. Its time good decent people stand up to the Bullies in DC and wrestle control back from the fools in charge. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/03/Tea-Party-Patriots-Have-Record-Attendance-for-Cruz-Tele-Townhall

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I cannot wait until the midterm elections. The Tea Party is gonna come back into play as will Cruz, Rubio and Lee, come 2016. Its time good decent people stand up to the Bullies in DC and wrestle control back from the fools in charge. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/03/Tea-Party-Patriots-Have-Record-Attendance-for-Cruz-Tele-Townhall

i'd make a wager with you that they won't be successful, but you'd never pay up when you lost.
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The Republican Party needs to die.

I think it is going to happen. There will be a rebirth, but this time true small government will prevail. The growing libertarian party will join with moderate republicans to create the new party and Tea Party members will become their own tiny faction like libertarians were before.

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I think it is going to happen. There will be a rebirth, but this time true small government will prevail. The growing libertarian party will join with moderate republicans to create the new party and Tea Party members will become their own tiny faction like libertarians were before.

I'm just afraid that there aren't enough true Libertarians out there. There are a lot of fruit loops that might believe in small government, except when it comes to regulating drugs, abortion, and war.
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I'm just afraid that there aren't enough true Libertarians out there. There are a lot of fruit loops that might believe in small government, except when it comes to regulating drugs, abortion, and war.

Big pharma doesn't want you legalizing drugs they don't make... No money in that.

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In 2014 we will see just how much Angst and Pizzed off folks are really out there. What most of you folks don't concede is just how FED up the regular folks are of Obama, his alienating of the American people and ALL the excuses, blame and No personal responsibility that he takes nor the Dem leaders. You guys are so quick to gig a Tea Party conservative for actually making a stand that you fail to see why theyre takin the stand and HOW FREAKIN important all this is to America. You had Obama out telling the Stock Markets, YOU BETTER FEAR DEFAULT, trying to gin up more scare and fear as to pressure the GOP. And when the markets hear a President, the leader(not really) say these things they worry. But, you guys keep shooting the messenger. You, me, us all will be getting it real soon.

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They are kicking it into high gear alright:

WASHINGTON -- A group of Senate Republicans, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), railed against Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) at a private luncheon on Wednesday, according to The New York Times,

which cited two unnamed people who were present.

Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) presented a

Senate Conservatives Fund printout that logged 25 Senate Republicans -- including Ayotte and McConnell -- as voting for cloture on Sunday in what the group said was supporting Obamacare, "betraying their principles" and "giving Democrats the power," the newspaper reported.

When Ayotte asked whether Cruz would repudiate the Senate Conservatives Fund's attack, Cruz responded, "I will not,"

an attendee told Politico.

At that point, McConnell, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) and others joined in lashing Cruz, leader of the anti-Obamacare showdown that spiraled into the government shutdown. "It just started a lynch mob," one senator told the Times.

The clash shows some Republican senators have lost patience with Cruz, who has failed to reveal a strategy to win his goal of defunding Obamacare.

“It was very evident to everyone in the room that Cruz doesn’t have a strategy -– he never had a strategy, and could never answer a question about what the end-game was,” one senator told Politico. “I just wish the 35 House members that have bought the snake oil that was sold could witness what was witnessed today at lunch.”

Conservatives outside the Senate have taken swings at Cruz as well.

Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, said Cruz "pushed House Republicans into traffic and wandered away." Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) accused the "Ted Cruz wing" of trying to "hijack" the Republican Party.

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Acworth, you are much smarter then this. To make the claim that the Old Guard, McConnell, Mccain, even Boehner are the regular folks, the good guys, the future of the GOP is disingenious and intellectually dishonest. Those old hats are gonna be fighting the new guys(Cruz) as they see their control dwindling. All the old hats have is a minority position, forever, if things don't change. The Progressives are beasts that have to be beatin back from the gates of the city. The old hats remind me of the Senators of Rome, who saw, knew the anger, cynicsm of the Ruling class, but said nothing as to run out their clocks in comfort.

Not gonna happen here acworth. The old Guard is going to be swarmed by the young guns in the Tea Party, just like 2010. Its all up for grabs in the next 6 years and the Young guns have the regular folks, talk radio folks, middle America and so many more who are sick and tired of Obama, Rhino's, and progressives. The great giant is waking from its slumber. To end, there will be pain, there will be ugly confrontation, as the welfare crowd, the media will screech racism and whatever else they can use to keep their gains, keep their voters under wraps. Its gonna be a rough ride folks, so cinch up your seat belts.

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Acworth, you are much smarter then this. To make the claim that the Old Guard, McConnell, Mccain, even Boehner are the regular folks, the good guys, the future of the GOP is disingenious and intellectually dishonest. Those old hats are gonna be fighting the new guys(Cruz) as they see their control dwindling. All the old hats have is a minority position, forever, if things don't change. The Progressives are beasts that have to be beatin back from the gates of the city. The old hats remind me of the Senators of Rome, who saw, knew the anger, cynicsm of the Ruling class, but said nothing as to run out their clocks in comfort.

Not gonna happen here acworth. The old Guard is going to be swarmed by the young guns in the Tea Party, just like 2010. Its all up for grabs in the next 6 years and the Young guns have the regular folks, talk radio folks, middle America and so many more who are sick and tired of Obama, Rhino's, and progressives. The great giant is waking from its slumber. To end, there will be pain, there will be ugly confrontation, as the welfare crowd, the media will screech racism and whatever else they can use to keep their gains, keep their voters under wraps. Its gonna be a rough ride folks, so cinch up your seat belts.

Your young guns are so popular with the public, too. Just look at how many people support the shutdown:

"Do you approve or disapprove of partially shutting down the government over differences about the 2010 health care law?"

Approve - 25%

Disapprove - 72%

I mean, with popularity like that, how could these Tea Party guys go wrong?

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"From what you know so far, do you think any agreement on the federal budget should also cut off the funding for the 2010 health care law, or any agreement on the federal budget should be kept separate from discussions about funding the 2010 health care law?"

Cut off funding - 26%

Keep discussions separate - 66%

That's some kind of popular strategy right there.

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The MSM has spun this to be a republican doing. The media is losing sway each day as well. Show us a poll of those who trust the MSM acworth and you will also have to suggest why their power seems to be fading.....I say, take a stand GOP, Obamacare and his Budget are Killers to us ALL. How you cannot see this is beyond me.

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The MSM has spun this to be a republican doing. The media is losing sway each day as well. Show us a poll of those who trust the MSM acworth and you will also have to suggest why their power seems to be fading.....I say, take a stand GOP, Obamacare and his Budget are Killers to us ALL. How you cannot see this is beyond me.

The all powerful biased liberal media is losing its power so the polls showing public opposition should be ignored by Republicans because...wait, what?

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Just look at the high gear they are kicking it in:

http://www.thedailyb...t-shutdown.html

On a Monday last month, Rep. Greg Walden, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, met with some top GOP donors for lunch at Le Cirque on Lexington Avenue in Manhattan. The donors, a youngish collection of financial industry types and lawyers, had some questions for Walden, a mild-mannered lawmaker from eastern Oregon known for speaking his mind.

Why, they asked, did the GOP seem so in the thrall of its most extremist wing? The donors, banker types who occupy the upper reaches of Wall Street’s towers, couldn’t understand why the Republican Party—their party—seemed close to threatening the nation with a government shutdown, never mind a default if the debt ceiling isn’t raised later this month.

“Listen,” Walden said, according to several people present. “We have to do this because of the Tea Party. If we don’t, these guys are going to get primaried and they are going to lose their primary.”

Walden asked how many of those seated around the table were precinct captains. These were money men, though, not the types to spend night after night knocking on doors and slipping palm cards into mailboxes.

“A lot of the people there didn’t even know what a precinct captain was,” said one attendee.

Not a single hand went up.

“I hear this complaint all the time,” Walden said. “But no one gets involved at the local level. The Tea Party gets involved at the local level.”

(An NRCC spokeswoman disputed that Walden mentioned the Tea Party at the event.)

It is unlikely that the gilded power brokers in the Republican Party are likely to join their local county political club any time soon, but as the stock market wobbles amid the government shutdown and the continued demand for an Obamacare delay, a number of GOP donors are wondering if it is time for a little outside counter-pressure to sap the Tea Party of some of its energy. To be clear, none are considering joining the Democrats, and they find plenty of fault with President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. The deficit, taxes, and regulation remain top concerns. But several top GOP donors say figuring out a way to “break the fever”—as Obama once put it—or at least keep their fellow party members from damaging the economy any further has become Topic A in their social set.

“When you have a small segment who dictate to the rest of the party, the result is what we have seen in the last two days. People need to stand up and not be afraid of the Tea Party.”

“We are finding a marvelous way to grab defeat from the jaws of victory,” said Fred Zeidman, a Houston-based businessman who was a major donor to both of George W. Bush’s presidential campaigns. “The way we are handling this has been a mistake from the beginning. I think we misread where the country was.”

Zeidman pointed to the way the Republicans handled Syria, which, he said, “allowed the administration to fall on their own sword.” He contrasted that with the negotiations around the budget, which he said have overshadowed what should be a winning issue for the GOP, Obamacare.

“The Tea Party is not looking at the big picture,” he said. “In the long run it will have deleterious effects on the whole party when we could have taken the high road. There is so much going on right now with Obamacare, and no one is saying a word about it.”

“I am not writing a check to anyone,” he added. “That is not working for the American people.”

Bobbie Kilberg, a Republican fundraiser who has worked for four Republican presidents, echoed Zeidman. She has hosted fundraisers for ideological warriors such as Reps. Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor, and is hosting Arkansas Senate candidate Tom Cotton later this year, but she said she will not give to the NRCC.

“When you have a small segment who dictate to the rest of the party, the result is what we have seen in the last two days,” she said. “People need to stand up and not be afraid of the Tea Party.”

“This may be a turning point,” she predicted. “People may say, ‘Enough already.’”

To be sure, there is still nothing like any kind of organized opposition to form a donor-class version of the Tea Party, one that mounts primary challenges to incumbents for being too unyielding. And if there were, the right wing of the GOP would still have deep pockets thanks to those conservatives who don’t work in the financial industry but, like the Koch Brothers, who are in the oil, gas and other industries, and who still see the problems of over-regulation as more serious than any kind of shutdown.

Some Republican operatives are dismissive of the donors’ concerns. The shutdown is still in the early days, and although it may look dire for Republicans, it is unclear what the future holds. The congressional map heading into the 2014 elections still favors the GOP.

“Obamacare continues to be our No. 1 fundraising tool,” said Andrea Bozek, communications director for the NRCC. “We have broken records in our online fundraising and engagement in the last few weeks. Thirteen months is a long time in American politics, and it’s going to seem even longer for House Democrats who will be spending that time defending Obamacare’s broken promises.”

Most of the Republican donors, fundraisers, and bundlers who spoke to The Daily Beast said they sympathized with House Speaker John Boehner, who is working under difficult circumstances. And some said they thought the whole notion of an-all powerful Tea Party controlling the agenda in Washington is a conspiracy bordering on the absurd.

“I have been in politics for 45 years,” said Georgette Mosbacher, a cosmetics CEO in New York whom The Washington Post once called “the eccentric grande dame of GOP fundraising.” “Every time something does not work, it has to be blamed on an entity ‘out there.’ Well, I am sorry, but the Tea Party isn’t that powerful, and anybody who stopped to think about it long enough would know that.”

But there is still a sense among the donor class that some countervailing force is needed to push back against the furthest edges of the party, regardless of what it is called.

“I have raised a lot of money, but I am not raising any more for House candidates,” said Munr Kazmir, a New Jersey-based businessman and major donor to George W. Bush. “I am angry. I am embarrassed to be a Republican sometimes, I tell you.”

Editors' Note: This post has been updated to clarify a statement from an NRCC spokeswoman.

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In 2014 we will see just how much Angst and Pizzed off folks are really out there. What most of you folks don't concede is just how FED up the regular folks are of Obama, his alienating of the American people and ALL the excuses, blame and No personal responsibility that he takes nor the Dem leaders. You guys are so quick to gig a Tea Party conservative for actually making a stand that you fail to see why theyre takin the stand and HOW FREAKIN important all this is to America. You had Obama out telling the Stock Markets, YOU BETTER FEAR DEFAULT, trying to gin up more scare and fear as to pressure the GOP. And when the markets hear a President, the leader(not really) say these things they worry. But, you guys keep shooting the messenger. You, me, us all will be getting it real soon.

Remember when conservatives said the same exact things in 2011/12? Because I sure do.

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