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This minus whale be a book club for the A Song of Ice and Fire series - HBO: Game of Thrones. To catch up with the discussion all you need to do is just read 5 separate 1000 page books.

Yeah, this is the only online book club in which I'm participating for the time being. On the fifth book, but a ton to catch up on in that thread.

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I've thought about trying something like this too. I'm an avid reader and I'm pretty much open to reading anything, although I get my quickest boners in the realm of ancient field and naval warfare. I have a gigantic list of books on my To Read list, but I'd be willing to put a few more on there for the sake of giving this a shot.

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Just finished a dance with dragons, so.....

How about defending jacob? Anyone read this? Seems interesting.

I've had that one sitting around for a year or so. Sounds good to me. For the others

Defending Jacob

by William Landay (Goodreads Author)

3.94 of 5 stars 3.94 · rating details · 70,523 ratings · 10,538 reviews

Andy Barber has been an assistant district attorney in his suburban Massachusetts county for more than twenty years. He is respected in his community, tenacious in the courtroom, and happy at home with his wife, Laurie, and son, Jacob. But when a shocking crime shatters their New England town, Andy is blindsided by what happens next: His fourteen-year-old son is charged with the murder of a fellow student.

Every parental instinct Andy has rallies to protect his boy. Jacob insists that he is innocent, and Andy believes him. Andy must. He’s his father. But as damning facts and shocking revelations surface, as a marriage threatens to crumble and the trial intensifies, as the crisis reveals how little a father knows about his son, Andy will face a trial of his own—between loyalty and justice, between truth and allegation, between a past he’s tried to bury and a future he cannot conceive.

Award-winning author William Landay has written the consummate novel of an embattled family in crisis—a suspenseful, character-driven mystery that is also a spellbinding tale of guilt, betrayal, and the terrifying speed at which our lives can spin out of control.

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Defending Jacob is fine by me. I was about to begin this book, it may be a future option. I keep seeing it compare to Blood Meridian

The Son

by Philipp Meyer (Goodreads Author)

rating details · 3,011 ratings · 724 reviews

The acclaimed author of American Rust, returns with The Son: an epic, multigenerational saga of power, blood, and land that follows the rise of one unforgettable Texas family from the Comanche raids of the 1800s to the border raids of the early 1900s to the oil booms of the 20th century.

Part epic of Texas, part classic coming-of-age story, part unflinching portrait of the bloody price of power, The Son is an utterly transporting novel that maps the legacy of violence in the American West through the lives of the McCulloughs, an ambitious family as resilient and dangerous as the land they claim.

Spring, 1849. The first male child born in the newly established Republic of Texas, Eli McCullough is thirteen years old when a marauding band of Comanche storm his homestead and brutally murder his mother and sister, taking him captive. Brave and clever, Eli quickly adapts to Comanche life, learning their ways and language, answering to a new name, carving a place as the chief's adopted son, and waging war against their enemies, including white men-complicating his sense of loyalty and understanding of who he is. But when disease, starvation, and overwhelming numbers of armed Americans decimate the tribe, Eli finds himself alone. Neither white nor Indian, civilized or fully wild, he must carve a place for himself in a world in which he does not fully belong-a journey of adventure, tragedy, hardship, grit, and luck that reverberates in the lives of his progeny.

Intertwined with Eli's story are those of his son, Peter, a man who bears the emotional cost of his father's drive for power, and JA, Eli's great-granddaughter, a woman who must fight hardened rivals to succeed in a man's world.

Phillipp Meyer deftly explores how Eli's ruthlessness and steely pragmatism transform subsequent generations of McCulloughs. Love, honor, children are sacrificed in the name of ambition, as the family becomes one of the richest powers in Texas, a ranching-and-oil dynasty of unsurpassed wealth and privilege. Yet, like all empires, the McCoulloughs must eventually face the consequences of their choices.

Harrowing, panoramic, and vividly drawn, The Son is a masterful achievement from a sublime young talent.

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not sure how to go about discussing this, so here goes:

about a third of the way through the book. sometimes i think the author is being a little too wordy describing the scene, too much unnecessary detail. as told from a DA point of view, something i read really is kinda eye opening. he talks of the great number of "false negatives" that come from criminal law, the guilty that go free. no surprise for me there, when the burden of proof is so heavily on the state then there are bound to be guilty people going free. What did surprise me is the great number of "false positives". In support of this he also discusses the automatic biases that people tend to have; when people are charged we tend to assume guilt, almost the complete opposite of what the system is supposed to do. The system is made of people who, i am guessing by nature, are skeptical of innocence. Now granted this argument is somewhat self serving considering who the defendant is.

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also for acworth, related to a debate we were having in another thread a while back:

"... In court, the thing we punish is the criminal intention - the mens rea, the guilty mind. there is an ancient rule: actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea - 'the act does not create guilt unless the mind is also guilty.' That is why we do not convict children, drunks, and schizophrenics: they are incapable of deciding to commit their crimes with a true understanding of the significance of their actions."

still not necessarily sure i agree with that, but throwing out something that supported your position.

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