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Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

http://www.forbes.co...e-payer-system/

When I speak to conservatives about health care policy, I’m often asked the question: “Do you think that Obamacare is secretly a step toward single-payer health care?” I always explain that, while progressives may want single-payer, I don’t think that Obamacare is deliberately designed to bring about that outcome. Well, yesterday on PBS’ Nevada Week In Review, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) was asked whether his goal was to move Obamacare to a single-payer system. His answer? “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

In one sense, this isn’t shocking. Reid and many other Democrats, including President Obama, have often stated that their ideal health-care system is one in which the government abolishes the private insurance market. Video of the PBS discussion isn’t yet online, but here’s how Karoun Demirjian of the Las Vegas Sun described it:

Reid said he thinks the country has to “work our way past” insurance-based health care during a Friday night appearance on Vegas PBS’ program “Nevada Week in Review.”

“What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever,” Reid said.

When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

Reid noted that he and other progressives fought hard for a “public option” in the exchanges as a Trojan horse for single-payer, but Democrats didn’t have 60 votes in the Senate to achieve it:

The idea of introducing a single-payer national health care system to the United States, or even just a public option, sent lawmakers into a tizzy back in 2009, when Reid was negotiating the health care bill.

“We had a real good run at the public option … don’t think we didn’t have a tremendous number of people who wanted a single-payer system,” Reid said on the PBS program, recalling how then-Sen. Joe Lieberman’s opposition to the idea of a public option made them abandon the notion and start from scratch.

Eventually, Reid decided the public option was unworkable.

“We had to get a majority of votes,” Reid said. “In fact, we had to get a little extra in the Senate, we have to get 60.”

Reid sees the tax exclusion for employer-sponsored health insurance as the primary obstacle to single-payer health care:

Reid cited the post-WWII auto industry labor negotiations that made employer-backed health insurance the norm, remarking that “we’ve never been able to work our way out of that” before predicting that Congress would someday end the insurance-based health care system.

It’s one of the key things to remember when you look at polls saying that Obamacare is unpopular. A small percentage of the people who oppose Obamacare—around 7-10 percent—oppose it because it doesn’t go far enough.

Watch the video below - Obama has articulated himself that he wants single-payer..

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here comes the horse-sheot from acworth, google-bot and all the other libs that keep sayin' "obamacare" is not gov't takeover - and while technically its not - it is the gateway to single payer - gov't will have enough control to regulate the insurers out of business and takeover healthcare 100% - it will take 5-10 years - but that was always the goal - as unpopular as Obamacare already is (55-60% oppose), single-payer system is wildly more unpopular - dems/libs are disciplined and are getting their goal one bite at a time. If Obamacare gets fully implemented, it will ultimately lead to single payer. Once the gov't has this much control over an industry, destroying the private insurance companies will be childs play.

Libs understand their goals are not the majority view, so they mostly try and disguise their goals - obamacare is just the latest/greatest example.

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I wouldn't say it was a shock. Anyone just paying a little attention to Obama's rhetoric has known a single payer system has been the goal for years. Like G-Dawg said earlier, they know this is unpopular to the great unwashed, so they have implemented it in small doses so we'll continue to pay close attention to what celebrities are ******* one another and one day look up out of our fog at the newly christened "that's the way it is" argument. Similar to the way Nurse Ratched explained how an obvious case of bait and switch was not bait and switch

http://atlanta.cbslo...with-obamacare/

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Mitt Romney promoting the individual mandate:

But yeah, Obamacare is a socialist government takeover.

Morons.

wrong is wrong - romney was wrong too......good grief acworth - you view everything as "republicans vs. democrats" - frankly the gamesmanship does not interest me and I don't lay my head down at night thinking saying "republican, republican". Dems are wrong on most issues - Repubs are wrong on some issues - they are just the better option between the parties but far from perfect and far from conservative on a variety of topics. I don't give a rats arss what Mitt Romney wants or believes. Obamacare is WRONG for the country and Single-Payer is WRONG for the country. America has/had the best healthcare in the world - while far from perfect - it was by far the best - and it is being damaged by Obama and Liberal Utopia - and it does not matter if Romney did it / believes in it or not.
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Mitt Romney promoting the individual mandate:

But yeah, Obamacare is a socialist government takeover.

Morons.

**** Romney. He was as full of **** about this as Obama and his minions are. You always point to some dipstick republican to prove the hypocrisy of those who disagree with you.It proves nothing of the kind, it just proves there are as many sellout and clueless republican "leaders" out there as there are democrats. This is terrible legislation and digging up a like minded fool with an R by his name does nothing to change that.

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I wouldn't say it was a shock. Anyone just paying a little attention to Obama's rhetoric has known a single payer system has been the goal for years. Like G-Dawg said earlier, they know this is unpopular to the great unwashed, so they have implemented it in small doses so we'll continue to pay close attention to what celebrities are ******* one another and one day look up out of our fog at the newly christened "that's the way it is" argument. Similar to the way Nurse Ratchet explained how an obvious case of bait and switch was not bait and switch

http://atlanta.cbslo...with-obamacare/

So Obama implemented the Republican health care plan from the 1990s as part of a devious attempt to convert to a single payer. IOW, the REPUBLICAN plan was designed to invariably lead to single payer. Wow, that's some heavy duty conspiracy theorizing there.

When will Massachusetts switch to a single payer system?

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**** Romney. He was as full of **** about this as Obama and his minions are. You always point to some dipstick republican to prove the hypocrisy of those who disagree with you.It proves nothing of the kind, it just proves there are as many sellout and clueless republican "leaders" out there as there are democrats. This is terrible legislation and digging up a like minded fool with an R by his name does nothing to change that.

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So Obama implemented the Republican health care plan from the 1990s as part of a devious attempt to convert to a single payer. IOW, the REPUBLICAN plan was designed to invariably lead to single payer. Wow, that's some heavy duty conspiracy theorizing there.

When will Massachusetts switch to a single payer system?

talk about mindless - this is mindless drivel.
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**** Romney. He was as full of **** about this as Obama and his minions are. You always point to some dipstick republican to prove the hypocrisy of those who disagree with you.It proves nothing of the kind, it just proves there are as many sellout and clueless republican "leaders" out there as there are democrats. This is terrible legislation and digging up a like minded fool with an R by his name does nothing to change that.

Goodness! There were lots of "like minded fools with an R" by their names when the idea of an individual mandate was first proposed by Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole:

To combat President Clinton’s proposal, a large group of Republican senators, including the minority leader at the time, Bob Dole, and several who are still in office, proposed a bill that would have required individuals, and not employers, to buy insurance.

http://www.nytimes.c...servatives.html

But yeah, it's all a socialist government takeover by evil liberal Obama. rolleyes.gif

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talk about mindless - this is mindless drivel.

Hey, you guys are the ones saying this is some devious conspiracy to force single payer. "Obamacare" was originally proposed by Republicans in the 1990s. Was it a sinister plot back then by Republicans to create a single payer system? Just trying to keep all of your conspiracies on the same page here.

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So Obama implemented the Republican health care plan from the 1990s as part of a devious attempt to convert to a single payer. IOW, the REPUBLICAN plan was designed to invariably lead to single payer. Wow, that's some heavy duty conspiracy theorizing there.

When will Massachusetts switch to a single payer system?

Already answered, but again, because Mitt "for brains" Romney thought this was a good idea for Mass. does not mean that it was. It was just as bad an idea when he conceived it as it was when Obama copied it.

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Hey, you guys are the ones saying this is some devious conspiracy to force single payer. "Obamacare" was originally proposed by Republicans in the 1990s. Was it a sinister plot back then by Republicans to create a single payer system? Just trying to keep all of your conspiracies on the same page here.

so, according to you, the republicans on obamacare because some northeastern republican implemented it and it was a RINO's idea in the 1990's? really? So, according to this logic, all white democrats are for segregation because of their views in the 1960's and before? You are really making yourself look even more ignorant than usual in this thread.
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Already answered, but again, because Mitt "for brains" Romney thought this was a good idea for Mass. does not mean that it was. It was just as bad an idea when he conceived it as it was when Obama copied it.

So it was just as bad an idea when Newt Gingrich promoted it in the 1990s, along with virtually every Republican in Congress and every CONSERVATIVE think tank?

Or perhaps you think it's a bad idea simply because Obama proposed it?

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so, according to you, the republicans on obamacare because some northeastern republican implemented it and it was a RINO's idea in the 1990's? really? So, according to this logic, all white democrats are for segregation because of their views in the 1960's and before? You are really making yourself look even more ignorant than usual in this thread.

Newt Gingrich is a RINO now, huh?

Yeah, I'm the one who looks ignorant. laugh.png

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Already answered, but again, because Mitt "for brains" Romney thought this was a good idea for Mass. does not mean that it was. It was just as bad an idea when he conceived it as it was when Obama copied it.

yeah - bad ideas are bad ideas - regardless of which party thought of it or implemented it. The good news (from a pure political standpoint) is the trainwreck that is coming(Obamacare) is owned entirely by the National Dems as it passed both chambers of house/presidency without a single republican vote. However, who gets blamed really does not matter for our country - its still a trainwreck.

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Newt Gingrich is a RINO now, huh?

Yeah, I'm the one who looks ignorant. laugh.png

yes you do. - you want to talk about everything except the actual topic and the "bait-switch" going on with obamacare/single-payer as ultimate goal. I don't blame you - when you don't have a leg to stand on, change the subject ;)
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America has/had the best healthcare in the world - while far from perfect - it was by far the best - and it is being damaged by Obama and Liberal Utopia - and it does not matter if Romney did it / believes in it or not.

'Murica, f*** yeah! Just look at how best we are in the world!

How much is good health care worth to you? $8,233 per year? That's how much the U.S. spends per person.

Worth it?

That figure is more than two-and-a-half times more than most developed nations in the world, including relatively rich European countries like France, Sweden and the United Kingdom. On a more global scale, it means U.S. health care costs now eat up 17.6 percent of GDP.

A sizable slice of Americans --

including some top-ranking politicians -- say the cost may be unfortunate but the U.S. has "the best health care in the world."

But let's consider what 17 cents of every U.S. dollar is purchasing. According to the most recent report from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) -- an international economic group comprised of 34 member nations -- it's not as much as many Americans expect.

In the United States:


  • There are fewer physicians per person than in most other OECD countries. In 2010, for instance, the U.S. had 2.4 practicing physicians per 1,000 people -- well below below the OECD average of 3.1.

  • The number of hospital beds in the U.S. was 2.6 per 1,000 population in 2009, lower than the OECD average of 3.4 beds.

  • Life expectancy at birth increased by almost nine years between 1960 and 2010, but that's less than the increase of over 15 years in Japan and over 11 years on average in OECD countries. The average American now lives 78.7 years in 2010, more than one year below the average of 79.8 years.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries.html

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yes you do. - you want to talk about everything except the actual topic and the "bait-switch" going on with obamacare/single-payer as ultimate goal. I don't blame you - when you don't have a leg to stand on, change the subject wink.png

If Obamacare is a "bait and switch", then it can only follow that Republicans back in the 1990s and Mitt Romney in 2006 were secretly trying to convert the US to a single payer system. How dastardly of them! laugh.png

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yes you do. - you want to talk about everything except the actual topic and the "bait-switch" going on with obamacare/single-payer as ultimate goal. I don't blame you - when you don't have a leg to stand on, change the subject wink.png

Acworth is far from ignorant in my opinion, he is just so invested in ideology that he continues to labor under the delusion that democrats give a crap about him, the ideals they shout that they care about, or the good of this country. Washington politics corrupts all of those in power who go there.

Republicans are every bit as bad, but I just don't argue that they are trying to do better for any of us, but just can't because the big, bad liberal machine won't let them. All any of them care about is staying in their ivory towers. To **** with all of them. This is just the latest example of the hubris and narcissism of Washington politicians, no surprises, just more disappointment..

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My only problem with Obamacare is the staunch penalties that come with it if you don't accept it. Make it some 50$ fine and I'll be ok with it. Socialized Medical Care is what this country needs with the trend of poor health in this country privatized medical care is doomed any how.

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