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I am hearing\seeing that many NFL execs never even considered drafting Aaron Hernandez due to incidents that occurred while he was in college, also there were supposedly red flags concerning behavior issues. This would explain why a talent like Hernandez was still available in the fourth round when NE drafted him.

Obviously an NFL player murdering someone is not the image the NFL is trying to convey, to put it lightly. THe league is still reeling from what happened in KC recently. Since these kinds of incidents impacts not just a team but the entire league, would it be feasible or reasonable for the NFL to institute guidelines as to the FA or draft eligibility of players with obvious character issues such as Hernandez had?

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NFL can't make it any harder than a choice for teams to draft a player or not. it will open up lawsuits for discrimination and Players union would never agree to that kind of stuff. Its a matter of choice. Teams have to decide for themselves.

NFL is an employer, just like any other. If an employer sees an applicant they do not feel comfortable with, they can and do reject that aplicant. NFL can do the same.

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NFL is an employer, just like any other. If an employer sees an applicant they do not feel comfortable with, they can and do reject that aplicant. NFL can do the same.

Yep.

But to OP, no if they have talent and can sell paychecks/ can give you a chance to win.... they will be signed.

The Pats didn't really lose anything.

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NFL is an employer, just like any other. If an employer sees an applicant they do not feel comfortable with, they can and do reject that aplicant. NFL can do the same.

NFL is not an employer, a team selecting or signing the player is employer. NFL can't force teams to decide who to chose or not, if they do, it will open up the law suits. NFL owners and teams all have to agree to change the rules and its very unlikely that all teams will agree. One team might decide its OK to fail 3 drug tests in college while other might say its OK with 8 failed tests.

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Yep.

But to OP, no if they have talent and can sell paychecks/ can give you a chance to win.... they will be signed.

The Pats didn't really lose anything.

That's how thyings have been, back when all teams had to worry about was drug and alcohol abuse with occassional brushes with the law thrown in. But this last year have seen things stepped up a bit. True Rae Carruth happened awhile back but then the NFL could legitimately point to Carruth and say he was a rare exception. Two incidents with gun violence resulting in deaths within a year? Goodell is looking for ways to make the game on the field safer, imagine how he feels about players actually killing someone.

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NFL is not an employer, a team selecting or signing the player is employer. NFL can't force teams to decide who to chose or not, if they do, it will open up the law suits. NFL owners and teams all have to agree to change the rules and its very unlikely that all teams will agree. One team might decide its OK to fail 3 drug tests in college while other might say its OK with 8 failed tests.

Back in the early 1900's, 1911 if I am correct, the White Sox lost a World Series that many felt were rigged by the White Sox players to lose, so that gamblers could make thier fortune. Though acquitted in court, the baseball commissioner Kennesaw Mountain Landis banned all those players from playing MLB ever again. There were like nine players banned including Shoeless Joe Jackson.The NFL Commissioner regulates the NFL teams not the other way around. True teams have influence, but when it comes down to it, the commissioner can call the shots regarding issues such as player eligibility. Goodell is given this power by the teams. As far as lawsuits, potential players can file lawsuits all they want, if the NFL as an entity says we don't take players who say, fail drug tests for example, or get DUIs, then those players are out of luck.As citizens we do have many rights in this country, but forcing an employer to hire someone if they do not qualify isn't one of them. Most employers already have a Falcon Filter, so to speak. Nothing wrong with that either.

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That's how thyings have been, back when all teams had to worry about was drug and alcohol abuse with occassional brushes with the law thrown in. But this last year have seen things stepped up a bit. True Rae Carruth happened awhile back but then the NFL could legitimately point to Carruth and say he was a rare exception. Two incidents with gun violence resulting in deaths within a year? Goodell is looking for ways to make the game on the field safer, imagine how he feels about players actually killing someone.

I could see them doing something along the lines of a zero tolerance policy when it comes to firearms. Something to convince these guys that are insistent of having one that they need to be responsible with it.

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Back in the early 1900's, 1911 if I am correct, the White Sox lost a World Series that many felt were rigged by the White Sox players to lose, so that gamblers could make thier fortune. Though acquitted in court, the baseball commissioner Kennesaw Mountain Landis banned all those players from playing MLB ever again. There were like nine players banned including Shoeless Joe Jackson.The NFL Commissioner regulates the NFL teams not the other way around. True teams have influence, but when it comes down to it, the commissioner can call the shots regarding issues such as player eligibility. Goodell is given this power by the teams. As far as lawsuits, potential players can file lawsuits all they want, if the NFL as an entity says we don't take players who say, fail drug tests for example, or get DUIs, then those players are out of luck.As citizens we do have many rights in this country, but forcing an employer to hire someone if they do not qualify isn't one of them. Most employers already have a Falcon Filter, so to speak. Nothing wrong with that either.

NFL can't go after a players prior transgressions, they have no authority on what happened in college. They suspend players if they fail test after being in the NFL. Teams have different tolerance levels in drafting players or even signing some one. NFL can still ban or suspend a player for life but the picture gets murkier on what arrest is acceptable and whats not because it is illegal in many states to deny some one employment if it doesn't pose direct threat to employer or safety and is not relevant to line of work.

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I could see them doing something along the lines of a zero tolerance policy when it comes to firearms. Something to convince these guys that are insistent of having one that they need to be responsible with it.

Yeah, I agree, they can do something like that. But they can't put a filter saying don't draft some one because of what happened in college.

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NFL can't go after a players prior transgressions, they have no authority on what happened in college. They suspend players if they fail test after in NFL. Teams have different tolerance levels in drafting players or even signing some one. NFL can still ban or suspend a player for life but the picture gets murkier on what arrest is acceptable and whats not.

It is possible but unlikely that they do make a rule denying violent crime history. I mean at the end of the day it's just a business and as a business they can basically do what they want. Especially in the name of protecting the brand from further embarrassment.

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NFL can't go after a players prior transgressions, they have no authority on what happened in college. They suspend players if they fail test after in NFL. Teams have different tolerance levels in drafting players or even signing some one. NFL can still ban or suspend a player for life but the picture gets murkier on what arrest is acceptable and whats not.

If the NFL decides to exclude potential players due to say failed drug tests or even phsycological testing, the NFL has the right to do so. If Goodell said no team can hire such players, then that would be that. When you get down to it, NFL teams are employers governed by the NFL commissioners office as a ruling body. You can apply all you want, just like any job, but no team has to take you. And if the NFL commissioner says no team CAN take you, then that is how it is. I wish we all had the rights you think we do...

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It is possible but unlikely that they do make a rule denying violent crime history. I mean at the end of the day it's just a business and as a business they can basically do what they want. Especially in the name of protecting the brand from further embarrassment.

There is nothing NFL could have done to prevent Aaron Hernandez from getting selected or getting a contract from Pats. He didn't have prior conviction for assault or anything.

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Yeah, I agree, they can do something like that. But they can't put a filter saying don't draft some one because of what happened in college.

Sure they can. The NFL can ban players who have been fired from thier jobs, if the NFL wanted to do so. Or ban players who were suspended by thier college teams, like Honey Badger, though that would be a bit extreme.

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There is nothing NFL could have done to prevent Aaron Hernandez from getting selected or getting a contract from Pats. He didn't have prior conviction for assault or anything.

Right , it wouldn't really fix anything as far as situations like that go, but even if it were more of a public relations move than anything else I could see them doing it.

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If the NFL decides to exclude potential players due to say failed drug tests or even phsycological testing, the NFL has the right to do so. If Goodell said no team can hire such players, then that would be that. When you get down to it, NFL teams are employers governed by the NFL commissioners office as a ruling body. You can apply all you want, just like any job, but no team has to take you. And if the NFL commissioner says no team CAN take you, then that is how it is. I wish we all had the rights you think we do...

NFL and Godell works for the owners not the other way round. Godell will hit the road if he does anything against owners wishes. On what basis can Godell would have prevented Aaron Hernandez from coming to the NFL? Oh by the way, Hernandez had perfect score in the psych evaluation. NFL has guidelines but they can't make up their own rules which might violate the state laws.

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Sure they can. The NFL can ban players who have been fired from thier jobs, if the NFL wanted to do so. Or ban players who were suspended by thier college teams, like Honey Badger, though that would be a bit extreme.

They will be in legal trouble with NFLPA and in bunch of states. NFL doesn't have any authority on what happened in college, if they want to deny some one on basis of a failed drug test in college, then half of the NFL players will be gone.

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One thing everyone needs to remember that goodell works for the owners. Stuff you are suggesting would have to be agreed to by the union too

Not true. Players applying for the NFL draft are not memebers of the NFL union yet. Any agreement the NFL reaches with the NFLPA regarding non-NFL playes is done more as a courtesy or to get the NFLPA on the league's side regarding an issue, such as eligibility. The NFLPA uses the draft and the playes applying as a bargaining chip than anything else.

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Right , it wouldn't really fix anything as far as situations like that go, but even if it were more of a public relations move than anything else I could see them doing it.

They can release guidelines on who to draft, but its up to the teams. May be they can educate the owners and GM's on how to prevent these incidents once they sign troubled players.

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If the NFL decides to exclude potential players due to say failed drug tests or even phsycological testing, the NFL has the right to do so. If Goodell said no team can hire such players, then that would be that. When you get down to it, NFL teams are employers governed by the NFL commissioners office as a ruling body. You can apply all you want, just like any job, but no team has to take you. And if the NFL commissioner says no team CAN take you, then that is how it is. I wish we all had the rights you think we do...

it won't work like that because goodell has to get the union to agree to it and his bosses aka the owners
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Not true. Players applying for the NFL draft are not memebers of the NFL union yet. Any agreement the NFL reaches with the NFLPA regarding non-NFL playes is done more as a courtesy or to get the NFLPA on the league's side regarding an issue, such as eligibility. The NFLPA uses the draft and the playes applying as a bargaining chip than anything else.

yes it is true. The nfl has to get union approval.
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NFL and Godell works for the owners not the other way round. Godell will hit the road if he does anything against owners wishes. On what basis can Godell would have prevented Aaron Hernandez from coming to the NFL? Oh by the way, Hernandez had perfect score in the psych evaluation. NFL has guidelines but they can't make up their own rules which might violate the state laws.

Sure Goodell works for the owners. But don't think Goodell does not have some power of his own. He can do what I have said he can do. IF the owners are not happy with Goodell, then they can replace him. But due to antitrust agreements with Congress, the owners would have to be very very careful in removing an acting commissioner. And if you are going to mention Hernandez specifically, include his failed drug tests while you are at it ok. :PNo team can violate the laws of its state when it comes to hiring players. But no law can make a team employ a player it does not feel comfortable with hiring, just like any other employer, if lawful procedures are followed.

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Sure Goodell works for the owners. But don't think Goodell does not have some power of his own. He can do what I have said he can do. IF the owners are not happy with Goodell, then they can replace him. But due to antitrust agreements with Congress, the owners would have to be very very careful in removing an acting commissioner. And if you are going to mention Hernandez specifically, include his failed drug tests while you are at it ok. :PNo team can violate the laws of its state when it comes to hiring players. But no law can make a team employ a player it does not feel comfortable with hiring, just like any other employer, if lawful procedures are followed.

It can't force who to hire, but there shouldn't be rule saying you can't hire some one just because of prior conviction let alone a failed drug test. If that is printed in a rule book, NFL will get in trouble as it is clear discrimination against a person. Most of the state laws are clear, you can't deny hiring some one based just based on convictions unless its a direct threat to safety or hinders some one from doing the job. The teams will have to play it more diplomatically as if it is a performance based decision or concerns of inconsistency or responsibility. Its easy to prove discrimination if NFL doesn't ban a player for a failed drug test after being in NFL and it is printed in rule book prohibiting a selection of player based on that.

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