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Ron Jaworski's Nfl Qb Rankings (2013 Version)

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that's your opinion and this is mine. Flacco is an average to above average QB yes he had a great post season last year but did you watch him in Any of his regular season games since he has been in the league? Average QB. Like I said I like Romo but you really know what your going to get from him. Looks like an elite QB at times then flops during crucial moments of a week 3 game and don't get me even started on the last 2 years of win and your in the playoffs or deal. Stafford has 1 weapon and that is CJ. If Safford had a coach that could coach him up on his mechanics he could be a lot better than he is.

flacco is a good qb. He isn't average. He does have bad games. More than most good qbs. Romo is simply a better qb than stafford. And it really isn't close. You take the deep ball away from Stafford he struggles.

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Cam I could probably could agree with you on. But come on RG3,Kap and Wilson have only played 1 year gotta show me more than that. Very interested in seeing them play in year 2

stafford has had one great year. A fluke season. I see you had Luck over Stafford and he only played one year

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For fun here is my rankings based on 2013 EXPECTATIONS (not 2012 stats)

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Peyton Manning

3. Matt Ryan

4. Drew Brees

5. Tom Brady

6. Ben Roethlisburger

7. Andrew Luck

8. Eli Manning

9. Robert Griffin III

10. Joe Flacco

11. Jay Cutler

12. Tony Romo

13. Russell Wilson

14. Matt Stafford

15. Phillip RIvers

16. Andy Dalton

17. Ryan Tannehill

18. Colin Kaepernick

19. Cam Newton

20. Matt Schaub

21. Sam Bradford

22. Alex Smith

23. Josh Freeman

24. Michael Vick

25. Carson Palmer

26. Christian Ponder

27. Jake Locker

28. Mark Sanchez

29. Brandon Weeden

30. Matt Flynn

31. Kevin Kolb

32. Blaine Gabbert

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Here is my list:

32- Blaine Gabbert

31-Matt Flynn

30- Jake Locker

29- Mark Sanchise(lol)

28- Brandon Weeden

27- Kevin Kolb

26- Ryan Tannehill

25- Christian Ponder

24- Carson Palmer

23- Josh Freeman

22- Sam Bradford

21- Andy Dalton

20- Matt Schaub

19- Michael Vick

18- Alex Smith

17- Phillip Rivers

16- Tony Romo

15- Joe Flacco

14- Cam Newton

13- Russell Wilson

12- Colin Kaepernick

11- Big Ben

10- Matt Stafford

9- Andrew Luck

8- RG3

7- Eli Manning

6-

5- Matt Ryan

4- Drew Brees

3- Peyton Manning

2- Tom Brady

1- Arron Rodgers

Lol I'm missing one but doing this from just the top of my head at work. Who am I missing?

LOL Joe Flacco at #15. Turrible list

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For fun here is my rankings based on 2013 EXPECTATIONS (not 2012 stats)

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Peyton Manning

3. Matt Ryan

4. Drew Brees

5. Tom Brady

6. Ben Roethlisburger

7. Andrew Luck

8. Eli Manning

9. Robert Griffin III

10. Joe Flacco

11. Jay Cutler

12. Tony Romo

13. Russell Wilson

Ignoring the obvious flaw, why do you see Luck and RG3 ahead of Russell Wilson and miles ahead of Kaepernick?

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Ignoring the obvious flaw, why do you see Luck and RG3 ahead of Russell Wilson and miles ahead of Kaepernick?

I agree, it's obvious that Eli should be flipped with Big Ben.

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Brees wasn't 2nd in my book last year and I was right. This year he isn't gonna be top 15 in my book. This is his last year playing at a high level.

you trippin b lo. You won't find 15 qbs that will have a better season than him

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Those rating Luck, RG3, Wilson, and Cap above other guys who've been in the longer how about let's wait a second.

Least we no foget what happened to RG3 and plus it's only been 1 year this is the year we see how they respond to the fact defenses will know their games much bettr.

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Big ben has always been overrated imo.

He is top 10 but he isn't as good as some try to make him seem

He can be very average and can also be very clutch. What he is always good at ( as long as healthy ) is staying on his feet and extending the play.

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Big ben has always been overrated imo.

He is top 10 but he isn't as good as some try to make him seem

Yep. Ben's biggest asset has always been his ability to stand in the pocket for far too long and have guys hanging all over him and be strong enough to still make a throw of some sort. But that's just pure physical strength and size that he is using to his advantage there. That's the reason Ben is always getting hurt and always raking up sacks. He really has no sense of timing and would do terrible in a purely timing based offense.

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Guys guys guys, the national boards already did this and as we all know they're infallible and unless Jaws is part of the national baords he doesn't know what he's talking about. The top 10:

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I agree with Jaws that Chad Henne should be the Jaguars starting QB and that Henne still has the chance to be a solid NFL starting QB. I have always liked Henne and thought the Dolphins dumped him too soon.

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Flacco belongs below Eli and Roethlisberger, at least. I think Romo should get the nod over him as well. And honestly, Schaub is probably better than Flacco.

Flacco is even more inconsistent than either Ben or Eli...and IMO he hasnt put the Ravens on his back anywhere near as often as either of those guys have done with their teams. Obviously all three guys have benefitted from good defenses making their jobs easier...but the older two have established higher upsides which they reach more consistently, IMO.

I just dont see anything Flacco does exceptionally well. He has a big arm....he heaves the ball downfield. He does so at a higher rate than other QBs, with inconsistent success.

I agree that Flacco isn't as good as those guys, it is just the media will tout him as being so because of the ring and postseason run. He/offense was terrible at times during the season and they fired the O Coordinator because of it. I firmly believe that he caught lightning in a bottle and that he won't repeat it.

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OP.... You do know Jaws had a end of the regular season QB ranking.. He had Matt Ryan 4th

1. Peyton Manning

Previous: 1

There is a very good debate over who is the NFL's best QB in 2012, one that has prompted a lot of conversation at the NFL Films office. But as far as I'm concerned, what Manning has done, going to a different system and producing the way he has, makes him my top quarterback. Changing from one system to another is just so difficult. I transitioned through several systems in my career and have learned firsthand how all of the little things that build chemistry -- the eye contact, the play-calling language, the subtle indicators -- can take years to develop. Peyton has done it in a single season, bringing the other players around him onto the same page with him.

It's true that his arm strength isn't what it used to be, but his anticipation is better than it has ever been. I don't know how he completes some of those back-line throws he made last week. Manning is obsessive about his accuracy and, when he practices, will point to his receivers' shoulder pads and tell them, "the ball will be right here." This past week, he hit Demaryius Thomas in the belt buckle for a touchdown. I'm pretty sure that, despite the touchdown, Peyton was upset about missing his target.

It's that kind of dedication that led him to such a speedy recovery, and such quick acclimation in Denver. It also has made him my No. 1 QB for 2012.

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Aaron Rodgers

Green Bay Packers

2012 STATS

Att552

Comp371

Yds4295

TD39

Int8

QBR72.5

2. Aaron Rodgers

Previous: 3

Rodgers has been phenomenal of late. He definitely has struggled at times because of different circumstances over the course of 2012, including health at wide receiver and his protection, but he's ending on a high note. The Packers' line has not been very good; Marshall Newhouse and Don Barclay need help from running backs and chip blocks. Because of that, Rodgers has not had his full receiving complement at his disposal this season, as tight ends and backs have needed to stay in and help the linemen. His receiving corps has been banged up virtually all season, but he hummed along for the most part. He has felt pressure at times -- and gotten a little frenetic as a result -- but he worked his way through it. He was very, very solid in the last quarter of the year.

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Tom Brady

New England Patriots

2012 STATS

Att637

Comp401

Yds4827

TD34

Int8

QBR77.1

3 . Tom Brady

Previous: 2

At some point, high praise for Brady just feels like piling on. He slides solely because I thought Rodgers was sharper down the stretch and Brady showed a little cause for concern against Jacksonville. I thought he made some questionable decisions and missed throws down the middle. But when you're a surefire Hall of Famer and a top-three QB in the National Football League, those are the exceptions, not the rule. He'll be ready for the playoffs.

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Matt Ryan

Atlanta Falcons

2012 STATS

Att615

Comp422

Yds4719

TD32

Int14

QBR74.5

4. Matt Ryan

Previous: 4

Ryan had one bad game with five picks against Arizona in mid-November, but he has since calmed down and I believe he is ready to make a playoff run and put postseason shortcoming talk behind him. Here's what will be critical for the Falcons' success: Ryan is a QB who needs a comfortable pocket. The first thing his playoff opponents will try to do defensively is get pressure up the middle and pass-rushers around Ryan's feet. If I showed you all the bad throws from Ryan in 2012, the vast majority would be because he had to move and didn't get his feet set. Ryan has been very good this year, but when defenses make him move, he has a tendency to make mistakes.

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Drew Brees

New Orleans Saints

2012 STATS

Att670

Comp422

Yds5177

TD43

Int19

QBR67.9

5. Drew Brees

Previous: 8

I had to drop Brees over the course of the year because he just wasn't playing up to his standards. I think he'll be the first to tell you that 19 INTs isn't good. I've seen him work through his slump the past few weeks (11 TDs, 1 INT), and I've slotted him back into the top 5, as a result. When things get back to normal in New Orleans next season, I expect him to still be among the league's elite passers.

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Ben Roethlisberger

Pittsburgh Steelers

2012 STATS

Att449

Comp284

Yds3265

TD26

Int8

QBR62.8

6. Ben Roethlisberger

Previous: 5

Although I'm taking his injury into consideration, Roethlisberger slips one peg to end the season. He finished with a flourish against the Browns, but the lack of a playoff berth for Pittsburgh is disappointing. When he was healthy, though, Big Ben carried this team for most of the season. The run game (26th in the league) didn't help much, nor did some drops from his receivers.

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Eli Manning

New York Giants

2012 STATS

Att536

Comp321

Yds3948

TD26

Int15

QBR67.4

7. Eli Manning

Previous: 7

Eli was very inconsistent down the stretch, but his body of work says he's definitely a top-10 guy. We could see the highs clearly enough with his great game against the Eagles in Week 17. Unfortunately, there were too many lows mixed in this season as well (see: Weeks 15 and 16). Eli has some reparation work to do in the offseason.

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Joe Flacco

Baltimore Ravens

2012 STATS

Att531

Comp317

Yds3817

TD22

Int10

QBR46.8

8. Joe Flacco

Previous: 9

The next hurdle for Flacco is to get it done in the playoffs, but I really saw his confidence level grow against the Giants. He was hitting on the deep ball, firing the ball outside the numbers, and he looked as if he had that edge he showed us against New England in Week 3. For the Ravens to succeed in the playoffs, he'll have to show it again.

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Matt Schaub

Houston Texans

2012 STATS

Att544

Comp350

Yds4008

TD22

Int12

QBR62.6

9. Matt Schaub

Previous: 6

There's no other way to put it than by saying Schaub is in a real slump. The Texans have not been able to get the ball downfield, and, for Schaub to have success, they have to connect on those shot plays. He is not a matriculator; he's not going to steadily complete passes on a long drive. He needs a few plays that can chew up big chunks of yards. Houston is another team that has yet to enjoy great playoff success. This weekend presents a huge game for the Texans, and for Schaub.

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Robert Griffin III

Washington Redskins

2012 STATS

Att393

Comp258

Yds3200

TD20

Int5

QBR71.4

10. Robert Griffin III

Previous: 16

I didn't think it would be possible for a quarterback to climb into the top 10 in the NFL in Year 1. A track record of success, and being successful when the league has a book on you, should count for something. But you really can't say enough about the rapid success RG III has enjoyed in Washington. As we discussed above, the Shanahans have fostered his growth slowly and stayed away from dumping too much on the rookie too soon. They've kept it simple -- and have maximized Griffin's natural athletic gifts in the process. I've also been impressed with his grit and toughness and his presence as a leader on that football team. That locker room respects him, which is no small feat for a rookie QB.

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Andrew Luck

Indianapolis Colts

2012 STATS

Att627

Comp339

Yds4374

TD23

Int18

QBR65.0

11. Andrew Luck

Previous: 15

Another rookie who got his team to the playoffs. Luck needed to acclimate a little more rapidly than his rookie peers, in that Indianapolis didn't really enjoy the surrounding talent in the run game that Washington and Seattle enjoyed. But despite the steep learning curve, Luck has already achieved success and will only get better with more experience. That pass to T.Y. Hilton last week … you just cannot make a better throw than that. The accuracy of the throw was great, but it goes deeper than that. It was the read, the eye discipline to manipulate the defense, the pump fake to move the safety -- it was a Hall of Fame-worthy pass, especially at that juncture of a big game.

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Jay Cutler

Chicago Bears

2012 STATS

Att434

Comp255

Yds3033

TD19

Int14

QBR51.9

12. Jay Cutler

Previous: 10

I love Cutler's talent -- now he just needs a coaching staff that can maximize it. I see so many tools that should equate to success for Cutler, and we've gotten glimpses of it all season long, but there has been no consistency. He needs a support system that can help him maximize his talent … and help keep that pass rush off his back. For Cutler's future, what happens on the offensive line in Chicago means as much as anything.

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Russell Wilson

Seattle Seahawks

2012 STATS

Att393

Comp252

Yds3118

TD26

Int10

QBR69.6

13. Russell Wilson

Previous: 19

Wilson debuted at No. 31 when I updated my rankings after Week 4. Look at him now, leading the Seahawks to the playoffs. I was a little concerned with his Week 17 showing against the Rams, as I thought he left some plays on the field. A little too often his No. 1 target would open up, but he'd already moved on to his next read. I thought he just lost a little discipline in that game, which gives me pause as he goes on the road for his playoff debut. He needs to regain that calmness that led him to such a stellar second half of the season.

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Colin Kaepernick

San Francisco 49ers

2012 STATS

Att218

Comp136

Yds1814

TD10

Int3

QBR76.8

14. Colin Kaepernick

Previous: 20

Kaepernick is the reason I like the San Francisco 49ers to win it all. Between his arm strength and his foot speed, there is nothing the Niners' offense can't do. They've got the smashmouth ground game, and the quick-strike deep ball. He has shown good feel in the pocket and, like Griffin, looks to make the pass first and doesn't default to his legs at the first sign of pressure. With a little time off thanks to the first-round bye, we could see some revolutionary types of plays from Jim Harbaugh as well.

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Tony Romo

Dallas Cowboys

2012 STATS

Att648

Comp425

Yds4903

TD28

Int19

QBR62.7

15. Tony Romo

Previous: 11

I defended Tony Romo in the last installment of my rankings, and he repays me with that Week 17 clunker against Washington? That game was disastrous. All three of those interceptions were on him. And as well as he has played at times this season, it's hard to get excited about him going forward. Point blank: At crunch time, he didn't play well, made bad decisions and bad throws. All in all, he dropped five spots on my board since the start of the 2012 season.

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Andy Dalton

Cincinnati Bengals

2012 STATS

Att528

Comp329

Yds3669

TD27

Int16

QBR50.7

16. Andy Dalton

Previous: 17

I think Dalton has been good to very good this season. Now I'm just waiting for him to become great. When I watch him on film, he just holds the ball a little too long. When Target No. 1 is open, you've got to let it go. When the Bengals were in the red zone, he left some scoring plays on the field. There was that stretch from Nov. 4 to 25 when he had 10 TDs against a lone interception. That's stellar, but I think he could have had 20 TDs if he just threw the ball to the open targets. Still, it was a nice improvement from Year 1 to Year 2 and I can honestly see a bright future in the top 10.

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Philip Rivers

San Diego Chargers

2012 STATS

Att527

Comp338

Yds3606

TD26

Int15

QBR40.6

17. Philip Rivers

Previous: 13

I'm a huge Rivers fan, but this was just a down year from him. The Chargers had trouble on their O-line, particularly at left tackle; he lost go-to receiver Vincent Jackson. He never looked comfortable and it manifested in some poor play. I still think he has some gas in the tank, but he needs a better supporting cast.

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Cam Newton

Carolina Panthers

2012 STATS

Att485

Comp280

Yds3869

TD19

Int12

QBR54.2

18. Cam Newton

Previous: 18

Newton started coming on strong once the Panthers stopped trying to get everyone involved in the run game. I thought there was too much of a collegiate, option-style approach early on. I think that works as a changeup, but not as your fastball. Once they started getting DeAngelo Williams some regular carries, things improved. Newton remains a solid QB, but he still had too many misses of open receivers in 2012. He needs to work on his accuracy in the offseason, and that's a skill he should be able to improve.

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Josh Freeman

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2012 STATS

Att558

Comp306

Yds4065

TD27

Int17

QBR53.1

19. Josh Freeman

Previous: 12

I think Freeman was the biggest disappointment of the season's last quarter. His poor play really reminded me of his struggles from the end of 2011, and seemed to suggest no improvement year over year. He was wildly inaccurate, with his mechanics failing him. He was often throwing off his back foot instead of driving his throws. He has a lot of repairs to make in the offseason.

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Matthew Stafford

Detroit Lions

2012 STATS

Att727

Comp435

Yds4967

TD20

Int17

QBR58.9

20. Matthew Stafford

Previous: 14

Stafford was a big faller this season, dropping from No. 6 to No. 20. Yeah, the big numbers are there, but the volume of passes is so high in Detroit it masks his problems a little bit. I truly think Stafford needs to get back to the fundamentals. I wish I could coach him for a little bit because I know he understands what he needs to do, but the mechanics just aren't ingrained. To be consistent in your success, you must be consistent with mechanics. Your arm slot, your footwork need to be the same, again and again. Sure, you need to adjust your delivery every once in a while to get the ball out in the face of a pass-rusher, but with a clean pocket you need to be mechanically sound. Right now, Stafford just isn't.

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Sam Bradford

St. Louis Rams

2012 STATS

Att551

Comp328

Yds3702

TD21

Int13

QBR51.6

21. Sam Bradford

Previous: 21

I'd rate Bradford somewhere between OK and good this year. It started to look like he has regained his form from his first season. I think there's plenty of potential here still, and if the Rams can get him some more help in the draft, he clearly can move up these rankings.

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Carson Palmer

Oakland Raiders

2012 STATS

Att565

Comp345

Yds4018

TD22

Int14

QBR44.7

22. Carson Palmer

Previous: 22

Despite what everyone says, I think Palmer was fine in Oakland. That offense around him was horrible, but he was solid. The question is, at this point in his career, and given the financial considerations of his contract, what will the Raiders do with him? I think Palmer has more to give, however, and still has three to four more years in him.

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Christian Ponder

Minnesota Vikings

2012 STATS

Att483

Comp300

Yds2935

TD18

Int12

QBR53.8

23. Christian Ponder

Previous: 25

I love what he has done the past few weeks, particularly with his improvement in the play-action pass game. That the uptick has come without Percy Harvin isn't insignificant, and it's also telling that Bill Musgrave has trusted Ponder more and more. His Week 17 play really bumped him up in my book. It was a must-win situation and he delivered. The Vikings don't need Ponder to be a Hall of Famer when they have Adrian Peterson. All you need is a couple hundred yards through the air, and let AP do the rest.

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Ryan Tannehill

Miami Dolphins

2012 STATS

Att484

Comp282

Yds3294

TD12

Int13

QBR52.3

24. Ryan Tannehill

Previous: 26

Don't judge Tannehill's season in comparison to the three playoff-bound rookies. The needs are far greater on offense in Miami than they were in Indy, Washington and Seattle. I think the future is bright for Tannehill, the Dolphins just need to develop a more consistent run game and find some more receivers to target. I've been very impressed with his first season in the NFL.

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Michael Vick

Philadelphia Eagles

2012 STATS

Att351

Comp204

Yds2362

TD12

Int10

QBR46.0

25. Michael Vick

Previous: N/A

Vick started the last game for the Eagles, and I think too many people are discounting him going into next season. Let me spell it out: He can play. There is no doubt in my mind that in the right system, with the right staff and a good run game, Vick is a contributor. Everyone's talking about Chip Kelly. Well, if Kelly comes to Philadelphia, I see how he could use Vick. It all depends on the coach. The turnovers remain a bugaboo, but there's still plenty of skill left in Vick's game.

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Chad Henne

Jacksonville Jaguars

2012 STATS

Att308

Comp166

Yds2084

TD11

Int11

QBR29.9

26. Chad Henne

Previous: 24

There were times when Henne made plays against Houston and New England that I thought were phenomenal. It will be interesting to see how things play out in Jacksonville with all of the Tim Tebow talk and Blaine Gabbert still in the picture. A lot of Henne's future will be decided in the offseason, but I think he has it in him to be a serviceable NFL QB.

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Brandon Weeden

Cleveland Browns

2012 STATS

Att517

Comp297

Yds3385

TD14

Int17

QBR26.6

27. Brandon Weeden

Previous: 30

After the Super Bowl, Weeden will likely be the first QB for whom I examine all of his throws in detail. I find him so interesting because his highs were quite good, but there were a lot of "very lows" as well. I like the way he throws, his power, but he needs to improve in the nuances of the game. The eye manipulation, the pocket movement, not staring down receivers -- if he can improve in those elements, there's a good shot at improvement. Is he the quarterback of the future in Cleveland? We'll see.

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Ryan Fitzpatrick

Buffalo Bills

2012 STATS

Att505

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Comp306

Yds3400

TD24

Int16

QBR45.8

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

Previous: 23

Like Stafford, Fitzpatrick is still lacking consistency in his mechanics and it's showing up in his game-to-game performances. C.J. Spiller and a solid run game should have helped him more, but he was much too erratic. He needs to make better throws and eliminate those turnovers at crucial times in the game.

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Jake Locker

Tennessee Titans

2012 STATS

Att314

Comp177

Yds2176

TD10

Int11

QBR48.1

29. Jake Locker

Previous: 28

I think Locker has shown good feel in the pocket, but I'd like to see improved foot movement. At times he looked a little slow-footed and I think he could benefit from a solid dose of agility drills in the offseason. That said, inaccuracy remains his biggest issue.

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Brady Quinn

Kansas City Chiefs

2012 STATS

Att197

Comp112

Yds1141

TD2

Int8

QBR27.4

30. Brady Quinn

Previous: 29

There were times this season when Quinn showed NFL talent, but overall there were too many bad throws and bad decisions. The way things were in Kansas City this season makes it tough to get a true read on him, though. I think he could still be a starter somewhere, but he needs to go to a team that can provide him with some confidence.

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Mark Sanchez

New York Jets

2012 STATS

Att453

Comp246

Yds2883

TD13

Int18

QBR23.4

31. Mark Sanchez

Previous: 27

I don't even know where to start … Sanchez regressed in every quarter of the 2012 season. Decision-making, inaccuracy, lack of confidence, it all plagued him. A lot happened to Sanchez since Week 1's high note against Buffalo and I know he has the tools to be an NFL quarterback, but he really needs to make some fixes to his game. And those fixes will need to be both physical and and mental at this point.

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Brian Hoyer

Arizona Cardinals

2012 STATS

Att53

Comp30

Yds330

TD1

Int2

QBR37.7

Brian Hoyer

32. Brian Hoyer

Previous: N/A

Hoyer ended the season as the starter in Arizona, but will he start there in 2013? I liked him in New England and if he's not Arizona's starter, I think he has already shown that he's a capable backup with the Patriots. Hoyer is a team-oriented guy, throws well enough, and if you can be a gym rat on a football field, he is one. I think the Cardinals might have something here.

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