Kayoh Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 1. Dion Jordan, because there hasn't been a natural coverage LB talent like him in NFL history. At the end of the day, he would be able to solve every problem we have defensively. In one player, we'd be adding the ability not only to blanket the elite 6'6 TEs of the league, but also having the size and athletic ability to mirror and bring down athletic QBs like Cam, Kaep and Wilson. Literally the best defensive prospect in this draft in my opinion, and easily the single most unique defensive prospect, arguably of all time. He's got TE size, CB cover ability and potential as a pass rusher. The kind of guy you can build an entire defense around.2. Jonathan Cooper, because I haven't seen a guard with his combination of strength, agility, movement skills and balance in a really, REALLY long time. We need an elite G and honestly, if we'd draft Cooper, I'd want him to be our day 1 starter at LG with Blalock, Reynolds and Johnson battling it out to see who would start at RG. Cooper is the kind of guard that can actually open up a playbook, he's that good. He's significantly more athletic than any guard we have, and more of a bull than pretty much anyone we have as well. He'd give us more of a viable option to run pull sweeps, screens, and QB rollouts, he's just that good.That's it. It's a relatively weak class as far as top-end talent goes, but these guys are the cream of the crop in my opinion. Obviously Joeckel, Fisher and Johnson are all great prospects too, but I wouldn't want us to trade up for a tackle when guys like Terron Armstead, Luke Marquardt and Ryan Schraeder are available later and we already have Sam & Tyson locked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<~MEAT GOAT~> Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Dion Jordan Star LeleSheldon RichardsonXzavier RhodesThose are the guys I would be ok with trading up for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<~MEAT GOAT~> Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I mean there are the obvious guys that are surely going to be out of reach like Dee MillinerSharrif FloydWarmackThe top OTsBut the other guys I listed might fall far enough. Jordan is Iffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Alec OgletreeXavier RhodesEzekeil Ansah Edited April 4, 2013 by kiwifalcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 Well I listed the two guys I listed for very specific reasons. More specifically, I didn't list anyone else for specific reasons.Star Lotulelei has a questionable motor and if you watch just about any game other than USC he looks human.Sheldon Richardson is very disruptive but just as disruptive players can be had later in the draft, a la Datone Jones, Sylvester Williams, Kawann Short, even Josh Boyd and Jordan Hill have similar ceilings to Richardson.Xavier Rhodes is everything you look for in a corner from a measurables standpoint, but doesn't have elite instincts and got burnt one too many times to be an infallible enough prospect to trade up for.Dee Milliner has a lot of potential but isn't Revis good. Not enough of a game changing CB to trade up for.Sharrif Floyd isn't even as good as Richardson in any element aside from being able to handle double teams, which you wouldn't want to ask either one of them to do in the NFL where their best fits are both 3 technique in a 4-3 or 5 technique in a 3-4.Warmack isn't as phenomenal/rare of a prospect as Cooper in my opinion. Mike Mayock and a few others think differently, but Cooper's athleticism is rare. Warmack is a big mauler with rare athleticism for a guy his size, but if he were as fit and in as good of shape as Cooper is at 310, his athleticism wouldn't be as sensational as Cooper's is.The top OTs aren't guys I'd trade up for because we've got that position on lockdown. Would I rather have any of the top 3 guys, or even Terron Armstead, rather than Sam Baker? Absolutely, but apparently the organization is willing to settle for Baker and they shelled out the dough to prove it.Alec Ogletree has way too many character issues to be worth trading up for. He isn't as rare/elite of an athlete as some people are claiming he is. He's the best ILB prospect in this draft, but that's kind of like being the best QB prospect in this class...you're better off just waiting for a year with a better pool and picking then.Ezekeil Ansah isn't natural enough of a pass rusher (or football player overall, really) to be worth trading up for. Does he have upside? Sure. Does he have enough upside to be worth trading up for taking the defensive line depth of this draft into account? Absolutely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<~MEAT GOAT~> Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I disagree with everything you just wrote except for what you said about Ogletree. Your typing some pretty crazy stuff there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<~MEAT GOAT~> Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 If any one of those guys made it to around 15 to 20 range I would have zero issues withTD trading up to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlas Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I see where your coming from , where they would be people that make the opposition change what they do not just a player that is very good at what he does ( I have almost confused myself with this answer) . Not trying to annoy anyone but trading up ,depending on how far, for alec ogletree is a bit of a stretch . fair enough he is a Georgia product but if he played for iowa st would you think the same way . apologies to anyone connected to iowa st , I just had to think of a college no where near Georgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<~MEAT GOAT~> Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I see where your coming from , where they would be people that make the opposition change what they do not just a player that is very good at what he does ( I have almost confused myself with this answer) . Not trying to annoy anyone but trading up ,depending on how far, for alec ogletree is a bit of a stretch . fair enough he is a Georgia product but if he played for iowa st would you think the same way . apologies to anyone connected to iowa st , I just had to think of a college no where near Georgia.Yes well, I wouldn't trade up for him either. If he falls to 30. Sure, take him, but he isn't worth trading up for. All the other guys that he listed are worth trading up for, though only if they fall to the right spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rai Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I wouldn't trade up for a guard. It's not that impactful of a position. I would trade up for Dion Jordan though because of how unique he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PermaGrin Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 It is much more costly to trade up now than it was. I just don't see us doing that, especially so soon after the Julio move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ba4d14 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I'd rather they trade down. No real reason to trade up, since it is a fairly flat draft. From pick 15 to 40 talent is about the same this year and Falcons don't have a glaring must get need as they did when they made the move for Julio Jones two years ago, MV7 or Bartkowski many years ago. Lets play the hand delt us and build the team the smart way, trust our GM, coach and scouting staff to find players we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I honestly don't understand the Dion Jordan hype. He never really stood out to me when I watched Oregon games and top defensive players who don't dominate the PAC-12 leave me weary about them. He undoubtedly has great upside and is extremely athletic, but now he's being floated around as a top 2 pick. I just don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 i would never in my life trade up for Guard. Do i agree they are important, yes but theres no way im giving up more draft picks to go get a guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 i would never in my life trade up for Guard. Do i agree they are important, yes but theres no way im giving up more draft picks to go get a guard.Especially since they fall all the time. Like TEs everyone says they want a great one but when the draft starts everyone passes on them, but when free agency rolls around they make bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 maybe they do, but thats not the one i would be trading up for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookAboutFalcon Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 i would never in my life trade up for Guard. Do i agree they are important, yes but theres no way im giving up more draft picks to go get a guard.No trading up for guards and no drafting running backs in the 1st. Two rules every gm should live by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted April 6, 2013 Author Share Posted April 6, 2013 I honestly don't understand the Dion Jordan hype. He never really stood out to me when I watched Oregon games and top defensive players who don't dominate the PAC-12 leave me weary about them. He undoubtedly has great upside and is extremely athletic, but now he's being floated around as a top 2 pick. I just don't get it.Dion Jordan is a widely misunderstood prospect. A lot of people peg him as a DE because they see 6'6 and immediately think he's the next coming of Julius Peppers. The mistake is assuming that because he's tall and long that he's automatically a good pass rusher. He isn't. Never has been. He isn't a terrible pass rusher, but if you're drafting him in the top 5 it isn't for a pass rusher, it's for a 6'6 LB with safety-like movement skills. He covered slot WRs at college. Name one 6'6 NFL player who can cover slot WRs. You can't. You will be able to in 6 months, though, because that's the unique skill set that Dion Jordan provides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draftnut57 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 With the strength and dept of this draft.. No way would I trade up in the first rd and give all it would take to do so in what is a great 2nd to 6th round of much much talent. One of the deepest drafts I've ever seen. The first rd it the worst rd when you compare the talent to the pick. And the only position worth trading up for is OT. But then you have to think, OT and OG has an A grade meaning you can get a very good one in the middle of the draft. And the worst position in the first is QB.,,,, OT, OG, S. DT. These 4 positions have an A grade meaning you can get a great one latter in the draft. That is why I made my mock the way I did. Great starters in latter rds. I took my DEs and CB high where we could get starting quality players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 positions i would never draft in first round, center, guard, kicker,(either), slot wr, rb(unless it was someone like mcfadden or ap. There are special exceptions like those 2, fullback, and safteys and RT i would consider at the end of the 1st but thats about it. I am mostly only taking DE,WR,QB,CB,OT(left) Preasure LBers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rai Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 positions i would never draft in first round, center, guard, kicker,(either), slot wr, rb(unless it was someone like mcfadden or ap. There are special exceptions like those 2, fullback, and safteys and RT i would consider at the end of the 1st but thats about it. I am mostly only taking DE,WR,QB,CB,OT(left) Preasure LBersi would definitely draft a blue chip centre though. good centres are as rare as quarterbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEIST Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I would give this draft an A+ even if we traded away every pick to get Dion Jordan lolDude was made to be a Falcon. He is a good pass rusher when he was asked to, can cover and has insane athleticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PermaGrin Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I don't but into the Cooper hype at all. Sure he is a great athlete but being dominant in the ACC is like being dominant in the local Christian High School Association, it means very little. I'd rather just see if the league is stupid enough to let Warmack fall into our laps. As for Jordan, you kind of went Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs on that one. To label him as a one off talents when we have seen JPP and Ware come down the pipe in the last few years is a bit ridiculous. I would not trade up too far for him, maybe in the 20's if the deal was cheap...I would certainly not risk another Julio deal for him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draftnut57 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 I would give this draft an A+ even if we traded away every pick to get Dion Jordan lolDude was made to be a Falcon. He is a good pass rusher when he was asked to, can cover and has insane athleticism.You'd be putting the teams future at risk.. I'm glad that TD would never do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEIST Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 You'd be putting the teams future at risk.. I'm glad that TD would never do that.Lol obviously I was joking about the trade part. But I wasn't joking about the made to be a Falcon part. I remember pre combine, a lot of mocks had him going to us. Good times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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