Dago 3.0 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 facts are facts....Colston is a higher rated WR since 2009and if you actually read and comprehended my post, there are WRs ranked higher than Roddy that don't have near the support around him since 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperAINTSfan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Lmao at colston being compared to roddy. Nawlins would be extatic for a brees/roddy combo. With roddys timing he would fit in great. The saints would have to give up graham sproles a first rd pick and the superdome...Sometimes, stupid is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperAINTSfan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 What WFW did was go on Whites average numbers that will put him past those two. Obviously if he is hurt or retires that will not be the case but if he stays (he is in great shape) he will surpass those numbers. You can be judged by your peers/contemporaries/coaches and they are giving Roddy all pro and pro bowl status. Why hasn't Colston received those honors? At least Colston had someone throwing him the ball his first three seasons. Roddy is known for hustle, saved two games by chasing down DBs and making them fumble, work ethic, and as a great downfield blocker. You put all that together plus his numbers and accolades and you are saying there is no chance for him to get in? No chance at all?Roddy white is just like chad johnson good player never great puts up decent numbers while being one of the most targeted WRs Hes a pro bowler be happy with that he wont be n the HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe horn Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I am hoping that there isn't anybody in here stupid enough to say they know more about statistical analysis than the people at Football Outsiders, so let see what they have to say. BTW...I only went back to 2009 to be fair to Matt Ryan since one could say he didn't have enough experience before thatIn case you all don't know it, Football Outsiders has ratings for overall value AND value per play. I will list the ranking for both for each players by year2012Colston 6 and 15White 9 and 202011Colston 6 and 5White 19 and 452010Colston 15 and 28White 4 and 262009Colston 7 and 6White 33 and 48and before we hear the argument about coverage being concentrated on White more than Colston, here are some notables that fared better than White in every year other than 2010 who don't have an 'elite' QB throwing to them and don't have many other weapons on their offense2009Fitz, Sydney Rice, V Jax, Miles Austin, Andre Johnson, Ochocinco 2011Megatron, Cruz, AJ Green, Fitz, Dez Bryant, Steve Smith (Car)2012Megatron, Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, Michael Crabtreebut I guess if you are paying more than twice as much for Roddy, it has to be justified somehowKind of puts it all in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago 3.0 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) Kind of puts it all in perspective.only for people who have at least an average amount of common sense and intelligenceBTW....when I said "I am hoping that there isn't anybody in here stupid enough to say they know more about statistical analysis than the people at Football Outsiders", I fully expected WFW to jump up and down waving his hand in the air saying "Me, me! Call on me!" Edited April 3, 2013 by Dago 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I am hoping that there isn't anybody in here stupid enough to say they know more about statistical analysis than the people at Football Outsiders, so let see what they have to say. BTW...I only went back to 2009 to be fair to Matt Ryan since one could say he didn't have enough experience before thatIn case you all don't know it, Football Outsiders has ratings for overall value AND value per play. I will list the ranking for both for each players by year2012Colston 6 and 15White 9 and 202011Colston 6 and 5White 19 and 452010Colston 15 and 28White 4 and 262009Colston 7 and 6White 33 and 48and before we hear the argument about coverage being concentrated on White more than Colston, here are some notables that fared better than White in every year other than 2010 who don't have an 'elite' QB throwing to them and don't have many other weapons on their offense2009Fitz, Sydney Rice, V Jax, Miles Austin, Andre Johnson, Ochocinco 2011Megatron, Cruz, AJ Green, Fitz, Dez Bryant, Steve Smith (Car)2012Megatron, Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, Michael Crabtreebut I guess if you are paying more than twice as much for Roddy, it has to be justified somehowi have some slight doubts about football outsiders. only because at one point after we signed ray Edwards, he was rated as one of the best DEs in the league. i didn't go back after i saw that. i don't really understand the dvoa ratings. ill check it out again tonight on my computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethanga62890 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I think Roddy has been a top 3 wideout since 07. He does it all. Runs great routes. Can burn you deep though he isn't necessarily a burner or kill you over the middle. Excellent Blocker. Great team player. Hard worker. Any team would love to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlien 404 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 i have some slight doubts about football outsiders. only because at one point after we signed ray Edwards, he was rated as one of the best DEs in the league. i didn't go back after i saw that. i don't really understand the dvoa ratings. ill check it out again tonight on my computeryeah its laughable at best to use the term facts ...to a bunch of nit picked stats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlien 404 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 not sayng i know more about football than football outsisers...it must take alot of knowledge to deminish the accomplishments of great players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago 3.0 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) well I went and checked Pro Football Focus and in most of their analysis Roddy and Colston are neck and neckI have said before that I would prefer Roddy on first or second down between the 20s, but on third down or in the red zone, give me Colston every time.edit: and factoring in the cost for the production, give me Colston every time Edited April 3, 2013 by Dago 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe horn Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 edit: and factoring in the cost for the production, give me Colston every timeColston has been the better value from the start. Picked lower, contrbuted faster, less cost more gain comparatively across the board.I won't diminish Roddys skills and physical gifts which are obvious. But neither set of numbers lie:Roddy White cost per:Touchdown - $1,175,000Reception - $94,540Yard - $6,283Marques Colston cost per:Touchdown - $412,500Reception - $48,529Yard - $3,477For what they do and what they're paid, Colston is aSTEAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Colston has been the better value from the start. Picked lower, contrbuted faster, less cost more gain comparatively across the board.I won't diminish Roddys skills and physical gifts which are obvious. But neither set of numbers lie:For what they do and what they're paid, Colston is aSTEALColston is also has the benefit in playing for a really pass happy team. White has put numbers up in a run first team that just happened last season to not have a run game.I wont knock was colston does because he is a great wr and his talent speaks for itself. But White i think we have seen more dimensions out of him.White has been used in multi roles constantly. he is extremely good at his blocking and engaging D players. He even said if he wasnt playing WR he would play LB. His routes used to be determined to assist the running game with blocks.We have also seen him stretch the field and no doubt he will do the short dump off stuff or cross the middle with no fear,Colston is probably better at the deep stuff, but all around White is more well rounded doing a lil of everything great.If given a real chance id hate to see white with Brees and Colston on the same team. It could be a scary thought. Good thing this was only a joke and as much as saints fans might hate the guy. If he played for the saints he would earn his respect fast.Its funny because joe (oh crap my hamstring) horn actually was a big part in working with White and stepping up his game as a mentor. Exactly what White is giving back to Jones now.So we do have a lil saints tie in to Whites skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperAINTSfan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Colston is also has the benefit in playing for a really pass happy team. White has put numbers up in a run first team that just happened last season to not have a run game.I wont knock was colston does because he is a great wr and his talent speaks for itself. But White i think we have seen more dimensions out of him.White has been used in multi roles constantly. he is extremely good at his blocking and engaging D players. He even said if he wasnt playing WR he would play LB. His routes used to be determined to assist the running game with blocks.We have also seen him stretch the field and no doubt he will do the short dump off stuff or cross the middle with no fear,Colston is probably better at the deep stuff, but all around White is more well rounded doing a lil of everything great.If given a real chance id hate to see white with Brees and Colston on the same team. It could be a scary thought. Good thing this was only a joke and as much as saints fans might hate the guy. If he played for the saints he would earn his respect fast.Its funny because joe (oh crap my hamstring) horn actually was a big part in working with White and stepping up his game as a mentor. Exactly what White is giving back to Jones now.So we do have a lil saints tie in to Whites skills.I agree with alot of this EXCEPT, you have one major point wrong.Since 08 Roddy is the most targeted WR in the NFL. Run first offense or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago 3.0 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 You mean like the money Reggie Bust stole from the saints? What is the value of Breezes $20 MIL last season and 7 wins? Maybe if he was paid $38 MIL last season he would have 13 wins and a playoff win like Ice did...since this was strictly about a comparison between two players, Colston and Roddy, bringing in anybody else is not only irrelevant it is also ignorant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago 3.0 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I agree with alot of this EXCEPT, you have one major point wrong.Since 08 Roddy is the most targeted WR in the NFL. Run first offense or notand since my comparisons go back to 2009, that excuse doesn't work for them either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 lol not really an excuse.saints offense is wide open. falcons is not. roddys been targeted alot, but therewas no doubt to who the ball was going too. i shouldn't have to explain why that's an important detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago 3.0 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 lol not really an excuse.saints offense is wide open. falcons is not. roddys been targeted alot, but therewas no doubt to who the ball was going too. i shouldn't have to explain why that's an important detail.except that if you go back to my post from Football Outsiders, you will see several WRs rated higher that have the same or worse offensive situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRay Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Yes, the swampers don't want all the details getting in the way. When Roddy had no one to take the heat off him he was routinely double covered and still made the plays!I really don't believe any amount of statistical analysis or logic will change your mind. Heaps of objective evidence has been presented over the pages of this thread, yet you now come back with this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Peter Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I would not be surprized if Roddy's big mouth didn't influence Ryan's thoughts in the huddle on that last play against the 49ers...."I'll push off that defender, get me the ball Mattie Ice."......meanwhile, Gonzalez is running loose....he could have walked into the endzone....sadly, Mattie Ice took Roddy big mouth to heart and tried to force the ball to him. End result....NO SUPERBOWL FOR THE FAILCLOWNS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_L Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Like you didn't already know this SR? WFW has to reiterate the obvious for swampers and has also presented a very good argument for the "possibility" of Roddy getting into the HOF. Yet this is what you come back with? While that sounds good in theory Ice is to good of a QB to stare down one player. If you look at the play he was being pressured heavily from the right side and he saw Roddy as a quick safety valve. He had no time to spot Gonzo running free because he was about to be sacked.The fact that you presented a very good argument is subjective at best. Your argument is your opinion, not based on anything really. Stats and facts have been posted and yet you still fail to see the light. It's ok WFW, we all have to check out sometime, and sometime it's not on our own terms. Ride off into the sunset with dignity old man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 WFW will have the last laugh on this argument officer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Peter Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 WhenFalconsWin....that is the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperAINTSfan Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I really don't believe any amount of statistical analysis or logic will change your mind. Heaps of objective evidence has been presented over the pages of this thread, yet you now come back with this....Yep its pointless to explain to that fool. Its broken down to a kindergarten level and he still doesnt understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Oh...he's gets it,but he chooses to ignore the facts.Being ignorant is worse than being flat out dumb. Edited April 4, 2013 by Kevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethanga62890 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 WRL is well versed in the art of troll.^gets it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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