BrandonDell_ Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) This was written about his fantasy value in 2013, but I thought it was a intresting write up on his production vs michael turners-----------------------------------http://lateroundqb.com/its-time-do-the-dirty-bird-with-steven-jackson/ Edited April 1, 2013 by BrandonDell_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonDell_ Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 There were zero eyebrows raised when he was released from the Falcons at the beginning of the month, considering his yards per carry average went from a solid 4.5 on over 300 carries in 2011 to a dismal 3.6 on 222 touches in 2012. And while he still tallied eleven scores, including his first career receiving touchdown, Turner’s 30-plus year-old body was clearly not the same. The Falcons had to move on.They wasted no time in finding a replacement (sorry, Jacquizz Rodgers hopefuls), as Steven Jackson – formerly with the Rams – inked a three-year contract with the team. And although Jackson has endured over 750 more carries than Turner over the course of his career, the signing made sense. The Falcons need to win now, and Jackson can help them do that.But really, it’s the fantasy impact that really matters to us. And to me, there may be no other free agent signing that altered the fake pigskin lanscape more than this one did. A Look at Jackson’s NumbersSteven Jackson isn’t flashy. He’s never been flashy. He’s averaged just 4.2 yards per carry over the course of his nine year career, and, discounting his rookie season, has never rushed for over 4.4 yards per carry in a single season. He’s been consistently solid, showing, statistically, few signs of regression while playing in a mediocre offense.His fantasy value is multi-dimensional, as Jackson has shown to be a threat catching the ball out of the backfield. Since becoming an NFL full-time starter, Jackson has averaged 48.5 receptions per season. To put that into perspective, Arian Foster has averaged 53 per year since becoming the Texans’ starter.If there’s been one disappointing statistic on Jackson’s resume, it’d probably be his touchdown production. Though he’s received a multitude of touches in St. Louis, Jackson reached double-digit all-purpose scores in just two seasons and has gotten into the end zone more than six times just three times. Michael Turner, as I mentioned above, scored at least ten touchdowns each season in Atlanta.And that’s great news for Jackson. Taking Turner’s RoleIt doesn’t take a football guru to see the upside to playing in Atlanta compared to St. Louis. The Falcons offense should certainly bring more opportunity for Steven Jackson, and with more opportunity comes more fantasy potential.Michael Turner scored a grand total of 60 rushing touchdowns over his five seasons in Atlanta. Over that same time period, Steven Jackson scored just 26. Does that make Michael Turner the better scoring back? Not at all. The main reason Turner was successful at finding the end zone was because he had such an enormous amount of carries in the red zone. Take a look at the chart below comparing the two backs since 2008:In total, the numbers above reflect 74 games from Jackson and 75 from Turner. The only season in which Turner received less red zone carries than Jackson was in 2009 when Turner played four fewer games. Clearly, Turner’s near-double red zone touches didn’t occur simply because Jackson couldn’t stay on the field. They occurred because the Falcons’ offense created more opportunities for the bruising back.It shouldn’t be out of this world to think that Jackson can post a touchdown total in the teens in 2013. He’s made a living working within the red zone, scoring 19 of his 26 rushing touchdowns since 2008 within his opponents’ 10 yard-line. That’s 19 touchdowns on 73 total touches from that distance. If he were to obtain that same scoring percentage, 26% (19/73), on a reasonable 35 carries within the opponents’ 10 yard-line, Steven Jackson would already see close to ten touchdowns. And that doesn’t even include longer touchdowns or ones through the air.That’s also assuming Jackson continues to see the same defenses he did in St. Louis. Given the presence of red zone threats Tony Gonzalez, Julio Jones and Roddy White, it’d make sense to believe he won’t. Against Atlanta, opposing defenses must keep the passing game honest. It’s what allowed a 3.6 yards per carry back to score 11 touchdowns in 2012. Age is the Easy Way OutPlenty of experts will look at Jackson’s age and conclude that he won’t be fantasy worthy. As I said, he’s seen a lot of touches over the course of his career and will reach the dreaded age of 30 in July. But if there’s a running back who can withstand the torture of hit after hit in multiple NFL games, it’s Jackson.Known as a gym rat, many have pointed out that his yards per carry averaged dipped to 3.8 during the second half of contests in 2012, making it appear as though he ran out of gas during the tail-end of games. If that’s a metric for wear and tear, then maybe we should rethink drafting Arian Foster in the first round of our fantasy drafts, who finished with a 3.6 yards per carry average in the second half of games in 2012. Or maybe Ray Rice, too, who rushed for just 3.9 yards per carry during the second half of contests last year.I’m not one to say this, but watch the tape. Jackson’s second half of 2012 saw little regression. In fact, to quote my article on some of the unsung heroes of 2012, Jackson scored no fewer than eight fantasy points in a given week from Weeks 10 to 17 last season. To put that into perspective, he was producing at a Doug Martin or Frank Gore level throughout the second half of 2012.Rotoworld.com pulled a great quote from NFL Films’ Greg Cosell on Steven Jackson: ”He’s still a very, very good player,” said Cosell. “He may not be a guy who you’re gonna give it 280, 300 times anymore … but he’s still got some quickness. You don’t call him a speed back — he’s not that guy — but he still has some ability to get outside. He’s always been a finisher. He’s a guy with natural power. He’s both strong and physical.” Jackson Could be a Top 10 BackJackson should see at least 200 carries in 2013, which is an important number to reach as a fantasy back. There were just 23 200-plus attempt runners in 2012, and 21 of them comprised the top-21 of fantasy running backs. You need touches to be effective, and given Atlanta’s investment in Jackson, we should assume a healthy Number 39 means a hefty amount of carries.As Cosell said, he may not get 300, but he doesn’t need 300 to be a top fantasy back. The diminishing Michael Turner received 222 last season and still finished as the 17th best running back option. Not only does Jackson look more promising at this point in his career, but he’s a massive threat in the passing game.Couldn’t we consider Turner’s 2012 Steven Jackson’s floor?When we select early round draft choices, we look for players who don’t bust. We have a generous sample size of Jackson’s play, and he’s motivated on a Super Bowl contender who should, for the first time in his career, consistently see two deep safeties staring at him on defense. What’s not to like?Michael Turner was more than fantasy relevant in this offense over the last five seasons. Steven Jackson could be – at the age of 30 – a fantasy superstar...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 so there was nothing written about his fantasy value?never mind, you put it in the second post of the thread instead of the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonDell_ Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 Heres the chart refrenced in the above article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonDell_ Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 so there was nothing written about his fantasy value?never mind, you put it in the second post of the thread instead of the OPYeah my bad. For some reason I wasnt able to post it all in the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sipifalcon Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Jackson is goin to be great for us I cnt wait... we should at least average 28 points per game at least... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonDell_ Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 Jackson is goin to be great for us I cnt wait... we should at least average 28 points per game at least...ATLEAST 28 PPG, but hopefully its more like 30 + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcant Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Yep an over the hill RB is exactly what you guys need to end a 40+ year drought. It's to bad the last over the hill RB wasn't the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Yep an over the hill RB is exactly what you guys need to end a 40+ year drought. It's to bad the last over the hill RB wasn't the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The last time I talked to that Falcant idiot she had no idea what the Revenge of the Nerds was. She thought my avatar from said movie was actually me. I want to test how retarded she is. If this is me , this chick is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It is like the lady is on cue.Forum Members153 postsSent Today, 03:15 AMWhy do you whine and cry so much. Omg this isn't funny omg it's really not funny omg omg omg. You are such a female, I can smell your dirty tuna from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonDell_ Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 'Since 2005, Jackson has averaged 1,574 total yards per season, and in all that time, he has never given fantasy owners fewer than 1,273. While this feat is impressive in its own right, it becomes even more so when you consider that no Rams receiver has reached even 800 receiving yards in the last 5 years. Defenses basically haven’t had to worry about anyone but Jackson.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 When you decide the panties suck and become a Falcon fan I will talk to you lady. Okay Falcant. Until then you and I cannot be. Sorry chika , you are just not my type. I like women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 is he really only talking in PMs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 is he really only talking in PMs?Yep , that is all she does with me. Ive told her several times that I dont swang that way. Some bishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Yep , that is all she does with me. Ive told her several times that I dont swang that way. Some bishes.looks like Falcant can't be a man and lay his problem out front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I will give you money if you can tell me who my avatar is today chika? NOBODY Help her sorry azz. I bet this bish cannot even use google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 looks like Fancant can't be a man and lay his problem out front.She never could. Ive been dealing with her PMs for months now. I wont lie but I get a kick out of them though. She cracks me and my girl up. Its like getting insulted by a middle schooler. The only thing it can say is " faggot " and what not. I love talking to really stupid people. I just feel like I should be paid when I help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 LMAO... I knew I could get him to respond. FalcantRookieForum Members153 postsSent Today, 04:10 AMThis is you : "he always hurts my girly feelings, I'm gonna show him I'm brave and find his posts so I can reply"Hahah you are so easy to manipulate its scary, nancy. Stop putting up a facade for strangers. Stop getting anxiety over people's opinions. I suppose the Gene Wilder image is you attempting to stand out and further mimic gritz. You are so so terribly sad.I love predictable people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yep281986 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) I just want that 3rd and 1 as well as that 3rd and goal. That 4 YPC means nothing to me. We have 4 receiving threats that can convert a 3rd and long. I'm tired of seeing trick plays and passing plays on 3rd and short. Convert a running play in short yardage situations is something I havent seen Turner do on a consistent basis in two years. Thats all I hope Jackson can take care of. Edited April 1, 2013 by Yep281986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonDell_ Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 I just want that 3rd and 1 as well as that 3rd and goal. That 4 YPC means nothing to me. We have 4 receiving threats that can convert a 3rd and long. I'm tired of seeing trick plays and passing plays on 3rd and short. Convert a running play in short yardage situations is something I havent seen Turner do on a consistent basis in two years. Thats all I hope Jackson can take care of.I cried whenever they gave turner the ball in short yardage (or any yardage) situations. His numbers last year seemed to always look like1, -1 , no gain, -2, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 15, -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I cried whenever they gave turner the ball in short yardage (or any yardage) situations. His numbers last year seemed to always look like1, -1 , no gain, -2, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 15, -3the more carries he got the more yards he had because he wore down the defense, as did matt ryan wear the defense down with his passing. so it makes sense he'd have 1,2,1,-1,4,17,25,10,3, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
408Falcon Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Dirty FoulC*nt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It is like the lady is on cue.Forum Members153 postsSent Today, 03:15 AMWhy do you whine and cry so much. Omg this isn't funny omg it's really not funny omg omg omg. You are such a female, I can smell your dirty tuna from here. what??? I clearly missed something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 what??? I clearly missed something.the guy trolls him in PMs and is too scared to use the main board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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