Return of the Gaucho Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I see a lot of mocks that have us taking a DE or a CB or an LB with our first pick. All things being equal, which position would have the greatest overall impact on the defense? I personally think that the top priority should be getting a huge pocket pushing DT. Someone who can keep the opposing QB from stepping up in the pocket and let the DE's do their job. Someone who can stuff running lanes and let the LB's fill in behind them. The problem as I see it is that there are no DT's that will either be available at #30, or that are worth a pick that high.Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumblesjr Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 de. sack =impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Considering the Osi signing, I'd say the smart move is corner unless an elite pass rusher falls in our lap. For us,.the biggest potential impact comes at the corner position. Possibly defensive tackle, but the best chance at landing an impact player in.his first year at the thirty spot comes in the form of corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of the Gaucho Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 de. sack =impactTrue, but often times a sack is the result of the defense as a whole rather than the effort of one guy. Good coverage creates them; a QB having nowhere to step up can create them, etc. I just have a feeling that sticking a great DT on a line will have more overall impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Great Question.Post Osi, there are 2 in my opinion:Linebacker and CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I see a lot of mocks that have us taking a DE or a CB or an LB with our first pick. All things being equal, which position would have the greatest overall impact on the defense? I personally think that the top priority should be getting a huge pocket pushing DT. Someone who can keep the opposing QB from stepping up in the pocket and let the DE's do their job. Someone who can stuff running lanes and let the LB's fill in behind them. The problem as I see it is that there are no DT's that will either be available at #30, or that are worth a pick that high.Thoughts?One possible DT that could be an impact player in the right system is Hankins. He's very talented. This is a hard question lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 as our team sits right now it is corner. We are dangerously thin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of the Gaucho Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 Considering the Osi signing, I'd say the smart move is corner unless an elite pass rusher falls in our lap. For us,.the biggest potential impact comes at the corner position. Possibly defensive tackle, but the best chance at landing an impact player in.his first year at the thirty spot comes in the form of corner.Yeah, I think CB is the likely target in the first. There is equivalent DE talent to be had in the second as there is in the late first, but there seems to be a CB drop off after that. Trufant is that 6'0" corner that Nolan seems to like. Great Question.Post Osi, there are 2 in my opinion:Linebacker and CBIf we go LB in the first 2 rounds I have to believe that the D will run more 3-4 this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of the Gaucho Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 One possible DT that could be an impact player in the right system is Hankins. He's very talented. This is a hard question lolYeah, but I think we would have to move up to get him. If he slips to the mid 20's I wouldn't be opposed to the front office moving up a few spots at the expense of a later pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 as our team sits right now it is corner. We are dangerously thinSorta Agree. I seriously think well be signing a vet or two after 1 June cuts if not before. We can't really count Grimes as a departure. I think Owens' departure won't be hard to replace in draft. Could even be McClain or Franks. But it'd be nice to get a young starting caliber cb at least in this draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 we are in need of a good CB but a great DT makes everyone's job easier. in our defense as it stand right now a DT would probably have more impact because we know Osi can get to the QB but how many times have we seen a DE or blitzer get to the QB only to have them step up and avoid a sack. if we can get that push up the middle and clog run lanes then it improves our rush defense to go along with a defense that was shutting down pocket passers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of the Gaucho Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 we are in need of a good CB but a great DT makes everyone's job easier. in our defense as it stand right now a DT would probably have more impact because we know Osi can get to the QB but how many times have we seen a DE or blitzer get to the QB only to have them step up and avoid a sack. if we can get that push up the middle and clog run lanes then it improves our rush defense to go along with a defense that was shutting down pocket passersI feel like the past 2 or 3 years have been full of plays where the QB can step up in the pocket and avoid a sack, or a scrambling QB takes of up the middle. The stuff nightmares are made of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) Sorta Agree. I seriously think well be signing a vet or two after 1 June cuts if not before. We can't really count Grimes as a departure. I think Owens' departure won't be hard to replace in draft. Could even be McClain or Franks. But it'd be nice to get a young starting caliber cb at least in this draftI like McClain as the Nickel... Franks ehhhhh passI would like to get Charles Woodson cheap. But he really is a nickel/safety only now. However I am sure Nolan could find away to utilize him very effectively Edited March 31, 2013 by RYNE15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 we are in need of a good CB but a great DT makes everyone's job easier. in our defense as it stand right now a DT would probably have more impact because we know Osi can get to the QB but how many times have we seen a DE or blitzer get to the QB only to have them step up and avoid a sack. if we can get that push up the middle and clog run lanes then it improves our rush defense to go along with a defense that was shutting down pocket passersOh I totally agree. I don't think we necessarily will get an elite DT in this draft, but I think we can get some great pieces to our interior DL. We really need a couple of 2 gappers to let our DEs and LBs run free. Mid round picks coupled with a vet or 2 FA DT signings will achieve what you are talking about. Richard Seymour is a vet possibilityCheck my mock and you'll see I agree with you:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan2JulioTD Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 A huge NT would greatly improve our entire D. **** we could have a young Reggie White on one side and LT onthe other, but if we arent getting push up the middle it wont matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of the Gaucho Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 I like McClain as the Nickel... Franks ehhhhh passI would like to get Charles Woodson cheap. But he really is a nickel/safety only now. However I am sure Nolan could find away to utilize him very effectivelyMcClain did play fairly well on the outside last season when Dunta went down. If we don't get a CB in the first, I would imagine the McClain will start the season on the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I like McClain as the Nickel... Franks ehhhhh passI would like to get Charles Woodson cheap. But he really is a nickel/safety only now. However I am sure Nolan could find away to utilize him very effectivelyI agree on Woodson. I also like Winfield and Nate Clements. Clements used to play for Nolan, and played SS for the Bengals. I'm not ready to completely give up on Franks. He's got some talent (not as returner lol), maybe after a year with Nolan **** put it all together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus*Crimes Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 DE and it's not really close in my mind. The less time the QB has to throw, the less accurate he's going to be and the more mistakes he will make. That doesn't even take into account the FFs and loss of yards from sacks. The pass rush is the biggest need even with us grabbing Osi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyBirdInThe610 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) I think DE could have the biggest impact because if we could get a good pass rusher to pair with Osi and Kroy it would make our defense that much better because i think we could find a CB in the 2nd or 3rd round with some size(we don't need anymore small corners),can tackle and not great but good coverage skills so it would be perfect if Bjoern Werner or Damontre Moore made it to us but if not take the best defensive player available. Edited March 31, 2013 by DirtyBirdInThe610 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioTheBeast Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Well right now there is only 1 DE on the roster, so unless we're going to play a "3-3" defense we might want to add oneIf we don't resign Abe we will be forced to take a DE in the 1st and will still then only have 2 playersIf we resigned Abe, I think Tommy Kelly could give us a much needed boost at DTOf course we'll need to give Ryan his new deal to do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of the Gaucho Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 Does anyone think they have seen enough out of Mass or Mathews to trust them to get to the QB opposite a stout DT and with a first round CB behind them? This talk about older DE's impeding the development of young DE's on the roster makes me think we might away from DE in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus*Crimes Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Does anyone think they have seen enough out of Mass or Mathews to trust them to get to the QB opposite a stout DT and with a first round CB behind them? This talk about older DE's impeding the development of young DE's on the roster makes me think we might away from DE in the first.TBH, I haven't seen much out of either that would lead me to believe that they are going to make a difference. If Nolan thought they were starting caliber, we would've seen more out of them last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 1st CB2nd A great big 3-4 NT with a nasty temper will give our defense the biggest bang for the buck.3rd An Assasin type of SLB4a WR4b DT5th OT6 th LB7th BPA's any position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIdowu Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Defensive End in my mind always . . and it aint even close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioTheBeast Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Does anyone think they have seen enough out of Mass or Mathews to trust them to get to the QB opposite a stout DT and with a first round CB behind them? This talk about older DE's impeding the development of young DE's on the roster makes me think we might away from DE in the first.I really don't understand the delusion behind pretending we can count on Massaquoi to be a difference makerHow many seasons have been wasted with inferior DL and OL pretending guys like Jamal Anderson or Ray Edwards can get it doneMassaquoi is a late round pick who did nothing as a rookie. That's a guy who's in line to compete for the #4 or 5 DE spotBiermann is a backup who was forced to start last season. He did more as a rookie. **** I think even Sidbury had a sack or 2 as a rookieRight now we have 1 DE on the roster who will impact the game in OsiWe have 1 backup in Biermann who's spot is a #3 or 4 DEWe need at the minimnum 1-2 impact DEsJust adding 1 isn't enough, unless we also add an impact DT then we have a chance to be okThe best plan is to extend Ryan freeing up some space, resign Abe, and draft a DE and DT with the 1st 2 picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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