MSalmon Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 For some reason, I just see us drafting Alec Olgetree. Yes, he's had some off the field issues, but I think overall he's a good kid and a definite baller. The reasons I think we draft him are:1) **** drop, maybe not #30 but in tradeable area that wouldn't cost us a ton2) Versatile, played both 34 and 43. Inside and outside3) great cover skills4) an "urgent athlete" with a frame to growGet him and both our pass rush and coverage of TEs improve drasticallyThoughts?Edit: if he drops to #20 what's cost to move up and grab him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I would love that but we would have to trade up, which wouldn't surprise me if TD loves Olgetree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I have no problem with Ogletree if that's what they decide. He's a great athlete. I just hope he can carry a bit more bulk to make tackles in the run game at the NFL level. Otherwise, he's has a solid, all around skill set, and unfortunately, that probably means he's a top 15 pick.Would love to see him or Jarvis drop to the bottom of the round, though, even though I'm on the Trufant bandwagon now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Talon Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Would be nice to have him, depends how much it would cost to move up. Maybe a next years pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceFalcon Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I'm thinking it would take our 1st and 3rd pick to move up to #20 at best, and at worst our 1st and 2nd.Probably something like our 1st and 3rd this year, and our 3rd next year or something of that nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I'm thinking it would take our 1st and 3rd pick to move up to #20 at best, and at worst our 1st and 2nd.Probably something like our 1st and 3rd this year, and our 3rd next year or something of that nature.We would have to pick in front of Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus*Crimes Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Don't know if he'll get past the Filter. Frankly, if we're going to trade up, I wish we could grab Ziggy. But most mocks have him going in the top 5-8, so it would be a Julio tye trade, and I don't think a defensive guy is worth that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Biggest reason I would see us drafting him is Nolan. Ogletree played safety and LB and is the final versatile piece to his hybrid puzzle - can run all sorts of formations without subbing players in and out if Ogletree's on the field. Go from the 4-3 to Big Nickel and back to a 3-4, drop eight into coverage, rush seven the next play...high bust potential, he might need to get out of Georgia considering all that's gone on here. But man, he has a crazy ceiling.Would rather draft Sio Moore in the third, personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I'm thinking it would take our 1st and 3rd pick to move up to #20 at best, and at worst our 1st and 2nd.Probably something like our 1st and 3rd this year, and our 3rd next year or something of that nature.I just don't see us trading with our 1st rounder this year. We need those top three picks to perform for us next season, particularly if we can land defensive help. I wouldn't be surprised if we did something with our 4th rounder, since we have the extra pick, and try to move up a bit, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcndave Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 For some reason, I just see us drafting Alec Olgetree. Yes, he's had some off the field issues, but I think overall he's a good kid and a definite baller. The reasons I think we draft him are:1) **** drop, maybe not #30 but in tradeable area that wouldn't cost us a ton2) Versatile, played both 34 and 43. Inside and outside3) great cover skills4) an "urgent athlete" with a frame to growGet him and both our pass rush and coverage of TEs improve drasticallyThoughts?Edit: if he drops to #20 what's cost to move up and grab him?He would have to be the biggest baddest, head and shoulders above the rest, type prospect out there for TD to even consider him given the franchise general take on players with baggage. I think he is very good. I just don't think you move up 10+ spots to give him. If we were one player away on defense I think we might. We need to draft a lot of defenders at all three levels. We won't hit on all them. I don't see how we can give up picks to get middle first round talent.If we can get him where we sit, Blank might encourage TD to pull the trigger. However, I can't see us losing draft picks to move up unless someone wants a couple of 7ths.Everyone knows we have two picks in the 4th (at least I think we do). My guess is that is what it would take at a minimum (1 4th rounder). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 I just don't see us trading with our 1st rounder this year. We need those top three picks to perform for us next season, particularly if we can land defensive help. I wouldn't be surprised if we did something with our 4th rounder, since we have the extra pick, and try to move up a bit, though.I don't know that we will, but I'm not sure that I agree with you completely. I don't think we need those top 3 to be immediate starters, as much as I think we need a defensive playmaker. Quality over Quantity. We are not terrible on defense and if we sign Osi--we may have actually improved. Nicholas and Dent are fine for playing--but neither are Playmakers.As far as filling out rosters, there will be street level FAs after 1 june cutsIt wouldn't suprise me to see us target a playmaker like Olgetree and move up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 Biggest reason I would see us drafting him is Nolan. Ogletree played safety and LB and is the final versatile piece to his hybrid puzzle - can run all sorts of formations without subbing players in and out if Ogletree's on the field. Go from the 4-3 to Big Nickel and back to a 3-4, drop eight into coverage, rush seven the next play...high bust potential, he might need to get out of Georgia considering all that's gone on here. But man, he has a crazy ceiling.Would rather draft Sio Moore in the third, personally.That's why I keep wondering (that and we had private workout with him) if he's not high on our list of targets. As far as Moore--I'd rather draft both Olgetree and Moore--that'd be awesome lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 He's worth considering if he falls to #30, though there are a bunch of players I would take over him there. I don't think he's worth moving up for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 i honestly feel like we can't go wrong in this draft..so many options, so many choices...good spot to be in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 i honestly feel like we can't go wrong in this draft..so many options, so many choices...good spot to be inAgree. Particularly if you need defense or OL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceFalcon Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Agreed on the not moving up stance.I was just saying what it would realistically cost us this year.This is a great draft for us, not a ton of "can't miss" top 10 draft picks, but great depth.. especially on the Defensive side of the ball. Which is good for us since, at this point, we need a CB for sure, and could use upgrades on the LB, DT, and DE side of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddyyoudaman Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Well we've never drafted a player with a criminal history under TD, so don't get your hopes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFalconPokerPro Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 For some reason, I just see us drafting Alec Olgetree. Yes, he's had some off the field issues, but I think overall he's a good kid and a definite baller. The reasons I think we draft him are:1) **** drop, maybe not #30 but in tradeable area that wouldn't cost us a ton2) Versatile, played both 34 and 43. Inside and outside3) great cover skills4) an "urgent athlete" with a frame to growGet him and both our pass rush and coverage of TEs improve drasticallyThoughts?Edit: if he drops to #20 what's cost to move up and grab him?Some seem to believe that our lb are good in coverage. Davis would probably agree.We're not gonna trade up. Too much talent in the second and third round. I don't see us giving up either of those picks, which would be needed to trade up. Now that we've lost some of our depth, we need the picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fibonacci/Mashburn Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 trading #30 for #20, we would have to give up our second. we might be able to trade away our second for next year....but honestly doubt it.- If we did trade our second this year.....then we would be over paying.if he fail to 24.....then you might see us trading our 3rd to get the guy...........but then again that is only 6 spots away, and who from 24-29 needs him more then the other players?So there you go. surprised no one came up with the scenario on what it would take to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceFalcon Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Well we've never drafted a player with a criminal history under TD, so don't get your hopes up.Don't think we've even had one in for a workout before.. but we did have a private workout with him already.In my opinion, this could be the year we do because of Smitty and TD feeling comfortable with everyone they have around him. We have a good Locker room dynamic and support system.Spoon and Moore would take him under their wing immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK13 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 No way ogeltree falls to #30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 (edited) Some seem to believe that our lb are good in coverage. Davis would probably agree.We're not gonna trade up. Too much talent in the second and third round. I don't see us giving up either of those picks, which would be needed to trade up. Now that we've lost some of our depth, we need the picks.Part of the problem was that they were playing contain at the line to prevent Wilson and Kaepernick from running on them so there were consistent coverage voids for TEs to take advantage of. If we had an NT who required multiple blockers and could collapse the pocket that would free up the LBs against those types of offenses. It's why the Ravens did so well blowing up the 49ers offense until Ngata was injured.I don't get why people don't recognize this. They want to treat symptoms instead of the real problem on the defense. Edited March 25, 2013 by Psychic Gibbon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceFalcon Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Part of the problem was that they were playing contain at the line to prevent Wilson and Kaepernick from running on them so there were consistent coverage voids for TEs to take advantage of. If we had an NT who required multiple blockers and could collapse the pocket that would free up the LBs against those types of offenses. It's why the Ravens did so well blowing up the 49ers offense until Ngata was injured.I don't get why people don't recognize this. They want to treat symptoms instead of the real problem on the defense.Agreed. I'm all for us taking a NT with our first pick.. but are there actually impact NT's that are slated to be there at 30? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Agreed. I'm all for us taking a NT with our first pick.. but are there actually impact NT's that are slated to be there at 30?Jesse Williams and Johnathan Hankins, both of which they have shown some measure of interest in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 No way ogeltree falls to #30Probably not. But in a draft that's really deep in DL, CB and OL someone like Olgetree could stop. Also you have to factor in that possibly teams like Buffalo, Arizona, Raiders (maybe?) will be jockeying in first round for Barkley, geno Smith and Landry Jones. And Glennon is a borderline first rounder. And TE really drops off after Ertz and Eifert.In short, he could drop depending on how draft shakes out. He most likely will be in the did 20s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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