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2013 Prospects We Are Looking At (Falcons Related)

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A pass rush specialist that won't be available when we pick in the 2nd round who, if we really want him, we'll need to get with our 1st.

Exactly right. This is just one more reason why it would be great if we could trade back this year.

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A pass rush specialist that won't be available when we pick in the 2nd round who, if we really want him, we'll need to get with our 1st.

I just don't see it. Lemonier is way too raw and isn't enough of an athletic freak like the JPPs and Ansahs of the world to warrant a 1st round pick and it's not like he was very productive last season. Irvin wasn't that raw and was productive in last season at West Virginia, even if he had a dip in sacks, and was largely viewed as a 2nd round prospect so even though the Seahawks picking him in the 1st was surprising it wasn't a massive stretch. Lemonier, on the other hand, is largely viewed as a 3rd round prospect.

Taking him in the 1st would be stupid, plain and simple.

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Lemonier won't go in the first. Might not even go in the second. Draft is too loaded this year. There are legitimately about 100 prospects I've seen get 2nd round or better grades this year...maybe even 120+.

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Were Lemonier to have been drafted last year, it would have been in the first round. He played on a hurt foot all last season, not to mention he had to play with BVG as his coordinator. There is no way he is making it out of the second. The only way we get him is to take him in the first or trade out to early mid second.

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Heck yes, I've been mocking Pough since back when he was still an unknown, projected to go in the 7th. He's a monster run stopper and the FCS record holder for TFL. He's a real loud mouth too and would be great paired with Spoon. He tore it up at the East West Shrine game. He's also a high character guy, exactly like TD looks for. He's a real sleeper, imo, and has serious starting potential. With his stock rising as it has been, if he has a good combine, we might end up having to take him with our 3rd if we want him.

he is not that high of character guy. pough got caught in some text book scandal, which caused him to miss a game or 2. other guys on the team who did the same thing got longer suspensions. Pough, was a force in his league in prior years, but had a down year this year. he was too busy counting his money. I read his twitter account. Somewhere he talking about his fancy cars he is going to buy.

Additionally Pough is slow. too slow and undersized to be a difference maker. his workout numbers are indicative of a person of average speed and strength.

none the less. he isnt that big of a deal and if he was a UDFA, i would give him a chance.

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the Falcons scouts were seen at Albany St. University. They were intrigued by 2 raw guys.

6'2' wr Ronnie tubbs, who is very very skinny. but has long arms and ran a low 4.4 and Justin Blash who was heavily recruited out of High School to many SEC teams, but didnt have the grades.

Blash came in at 325 6'5" and ran a 4.8 40, which was moved to 4.9 due to wind. I believe blash also put up 225 29x.

These kids are not draft picks, but that blash kid is a monster. he is raw, and could use some seasoning with the coaches, but one thing you cannot teach is speed, and strength to a 6'5" 325 lb DT. i think Albany played a 3-4 and blash played all spots along the line.

http://www.walb.com/story/21675192/schrader-and-kugbali-highlight-vsu-pro-day

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I think Banks will be our 1st round pick... The guy is 6'2 190... With good ball skills ... He ran a 4.51 40 at his proday... If you dont want to hear all that just watch the guy against top notch SEC freak WR like Julio and Patterson

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I just don't see it. Lemonier is way too raw and isn't enough of an athletic freak like the JPPs and Ansahs of the world to warrant a 1st round pick and it's not like he was very productive last season. Irvin wasn't that raw and was productive in last season at West Virginia, even if he had a dip in sacks, and was largely viewed as a 2nd round prospect so even though the Seahawks picking him in the 1st was surprising it wasn't a massive stretch. Lemonier, on the other hand, is largely viewed as a 3rd round prospect.

Taking him in the 1st would be stupid, plain and simple.

It annoys me when people mention JPP and Ansah in the same conversation. Ansah is nowhere near the athletic freak that JPP is/was. If anybody in this year's draft is the "next JPP", it's Tank Carradine.

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It annoys me when people mention JPP and Ansah in the same conversation. Ansah is nowhere near the athletic freak that JPP is/was. If anybody in this year's draft is the "next JPP", it's Tank Carradine.

Ansah ran a faster 40, faster shuttle, faster 3 cone, more bench reps, higher vert, higher broad, has longer arms, and they're dead ringers height and weight wise. I don't think they're that similar as players personally, but if you're going to say Ansah isn't as athletic as JPP, at least know what you're talking about in terms of measurables.

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I think Banks will be our 1st round pick... The guy is 6'2 190... With good ball skills ... He ran a 4.51 40 at his proday... If you dont want to hear all that just watch the guy against top notch SEC freak WR like Julio and Patterson

im willing to bet Darius slay from same school will be considerably better than banks. Slay plays the position naturally and is faster and more athletic.

grab Slay in the 2 or 3rd if he is there

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I think Banks will be our 1st round pick... The guy is 6'2 190... With good ball skills ... He ran a 4.51 40 at his proday... If you dont want to hear all that just watch the guy against top notch SEC freak WR like Julio and Patterson

I like Banks. He can play press, off, and cover very well and he isn't a slouch at tackling. He's well rounded and has room to improve so there is upside there and there is a noticeable drop off in CB talent after him. The only problem I have with taking him in the 1st is that I have no idea who they would take in the 2nd. The space eaters worth taking that they've shown at least some interest in will all be long gone, the instant impact edge rushers will be gone and only the raw or players coming off injury will be there, I doubt Warford will be there, they haven't shown much interest in the TEs in this class, I'm not a fan of the safeties in that range they've shown interest in...

I'm perplexed about what they'd do if they went that direction.

im willing to bet Darius slay from same school will be considerably better than banks. Slay plays the position naturally and is faster and more athletic.

grab Slay in the 2 or 3rd if he is there

I seriously doubt you watch tape. I'd be willing to bet you just looked at the combine numbers.

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I think Banks will be our 1st round pick... The guy is 6'2 190... With good ball skills ... He ran a 4.51 40 at his proday... If you dont want to hear all that just watch the guy against top notch SEC freak WR like Julio and Patterson

I hope not. He is a guy who has high bust potential to me.

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I like Banks. He can play press, off, and cover very well and he isn't a slouch at tackling. He's well rounded and has room to improve so there is upside there and there is a noticeable drop off in CB talent after him. The only problem I have with taking him in the 1st is that I have no idea who they would take in the 2nd. The space eaters worth taking that they've shown at least some interest in will all be long gone, the instant impact edge rushers will be gone and only the raw or players coming off injury will be there, I doubt Warford will be there, they haven't shown much interest in the TEs in this class, I'm not a fan of the safeties in that range they've shown interest in...

I'm perplexed about what they'd do if they went that direction.

I seriously doubt you watch tape. I'd be willing to bet you just looked at the combine numbers.

Mississippi State CB Darius Slay "has a much higher ceiling" than teammate Johnthan Banks, according to NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah.

Jeremiah does note that "Banks is better today" and says a good fit for the long corner would be the Jaguars at No. 33. Gus Bradley likes his corners to press, and although Banks (and Slay) played a lot of cover three, he flashed well when getting physical at the line of scrimmage. Slay's evaluation has consistently risen throughout the draft process.

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Ansah ran a faster 40, faster shuttle, faster 3 cone, more bench reps, higher vert, higher broad, has longer arms, and they're dead ringers height and weight wise. I don't think they're that similar as players personally, but if you're going to say Ansah isn't as athletic as JPP, at least know what you're talking about in terms of measurables.

Does that translate to the field? JPP is more athletic than Ansah.

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Mississippi State CB Darius Slay "has a much higher ceiling" than teammate Johnthan Banks, according to NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah.

Jeremiah does note that "Banks is better today" and says a good fit for the long corner would be the Jaguars at No. 33. Gus Bradley likes his corners to press, and although Banks (and Slay) played a lot of cover three, he flashed well when getting physical at the line of scrimmage. Slay's evaluation has consistently risen throughout the draft process.

I'd take NFL Network and ESPN draft analysts with a grain of salt. Slay was a 4th round prospect until he ran fast at the combine and now he suddenly has more upside than Banks. It's like DJ Hayden being a 6th round prospect until he ran fast at his pro day and now they suddenly consider him a top 5 CB prospect.

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No sir.

Slay was a 7th round guy. But according to national and blesto has moved to a 2-4 rd. Guy. Final reports come out at end of season prior to bowls pro days or combine

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I'd take NFL Network and ESPN draft analysts with a grain of salt. Slay was a 4th round prospect until he ran fast at the combine and now he suddenly has more upside than Banks. It's like DJ Hayden being a 6th round prospect until he ran fast at his pro day and now they suddenly consider him a top 5 CB prospect.

Proday doesn't influence many draft boards. It does break ties, or cause some notice for those off tbe radar. But most teams want to be seen. By the prospect, and get an eyball on him.

The film dosnt lie

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Proday doesn't influence many draft boards. It does break ties, or cause some notice for those off tbe radar. But most teams want to be seen. By the prospect, and get an eyball on him.

The film dosnt lie

The film tells me the following:

Slay is not as physical as Banks and struggles to get off blocks which tends to make him a liability in run support and against screens. His comfort zone is off man as he looks lost in zone and doesn't redirect his man well in press which limits the defensive systems he'll be able to be productive in, which is not a problem for Banks. He is faster than Banks, but that is about it. He is basically a better tackling version of Blidi Wreh-Wilson but isn't as sticky in coverage as him.

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The film tells me the following:

Slay is not as physical as Banks and struggles to get off blocks which tends to make him a liability in run support and against screens. His comfort zone is off man as he looks lost in zone and doesn't redirect his man well in press which limits the defensive systems he'll be able to be productive in, which is not a problem for Banks. He is faster than Banks, but that is about it. He is basically a better tackling version of Blidi Wreh-Wilson but isn't as sticky in coverage as him.

We will just disagree.

I know he is a ball hawk. And has great closing speed. If u ask nfl scouts. Banks is the now, but slay is the future.

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