Hardyfalcon Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Should we get rid of the Falcon Filter or scale it back? It was originally a good idea for a team that doesn't have a strong locker room. Also we know that players with issues can tear bad teams apart. But we see teams like the Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, etc. pick up players with some sort of baggage and have success with them. In my mind it wouldn't hurt to have a couple of these type of players, especially on defense. We need some nasty players on our defense. Some talent is just too good to pass up but our Filter says NO.Since we have a strong team and solid locker room, what do you think about the Falcon Filter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVAFalconFan Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Although the Steelers had Chris Rainey on the first thing smoking, I agree that it seems that our locker room could take more risks now than in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Wilson Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Have you heard that term used in the last 5 or 6 years by anyone other than message board members? My feeling is that you can have good character guys who play nasty. You don't need to have a police record off the field to have a mean streak on it. See Harvey Dahl. Did he have off the field issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVAFalconFan Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 See Harvey Dahl. Did he have off the field issues?I heard he killed a man with a trident, one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominique is Manufique Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Didn't notre dames media guy clamor about having a thug mentality? That did them a lot of good.The falcons are just fine in their player evals. Babs killed a dog and got caught with a bag of weed so its not like ATL has some sort of choir boy mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 We don't really have a "Falcon Filter" anymore, we just don't get me first type players which I hope we stick with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardyfalcon Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yeah I know, I just hate to see when we pass on really good players because we don't think they will be good in our locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssippifalcon Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I think our draft filosophy is fine, we just dont get those diva types of players. I dont care how good a player is, if hes all about himself then it only hurts the team. Some can be overcome with good quality surrounding cast, butmany cant be fixed and will only hurt the team. Even good character guys can have a nasty attitude on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I would basically get rid of it. It is all about risk reward. Obviously you don't want to risk high draft picks on people. But if someone is sitting there in the mid-late rounds with a lot of talent I think you have to roll the dice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Flare Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Filter out players that don't tackle and block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Filter out players that don't tackle and block.We can't replace an entire D in one off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0ker Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I think with our strong lockerroom and leadership, along with our veterans in place, we can afford to take a chance or two on guys with higher "character issues". Don't think we should get rid of it or take a chance on just anybody with talent though. We have great chemistry on our team and there is no need to go mess it up by taking "divas" or players that will negatively impact our locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Radical Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I think a lot of people assume any time we lose it was because we're soft or something like that. Way too much focus on projecting a media image rather than just getting it done. The Falcon Filter is really something we've created in our heads rather than see any actual application of it by our team. We just assume any time we don't pick up a guy with a spotted history it was simply because of that, but then again sometimes I think some people want a team full of guys who spend as much time in jail as they do on the field. They're entertained by the media circus atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardyfalcon Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 We could have taken a flyer on Vontaze Burfict with our 7th round pick last year. He turned out to be good in the locker room and was highly rewarding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookAboutFalcon Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 We have to many nice guys on defence .I want some thugs out there. Give me a James Harrison type player any day of the week. Who was the last player on our team to put fear into an opposing team? Lawyer Milloy, maybe.Get rid of this supposed "filter", and take some chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiker Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 cant polish a turd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssippifalcon Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 We have to many nice guys on defence .I want some thugs out there. Give me a James Harrison type player any day of the week. Who was the last player on our team to put fear into an opposing team? Lawyer Milloy, maybe.Get rid of this supposed "filter", and take some chances.i dont know man chris hope made victor cruz think twice before coming across the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProFalconFan Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I think a lot of people assume any time we lose it was because we're soft or something like that. Way too much focus on projecting a media image rather than just getting it done. The Falcon Filter is really something we've created in our heads rather than see any actual application of it by our team. We just assume any time we don't pick up a guy with a spotted history it was simply because of that, but then again sometimes I think some people want a team full of guys who spend as much time in jail as they do on the field. They're entertained by the media circus atmosphere.I think quite the opposite. Some are wanting us to go after a guy or two that is quite talented that may have a spotted history. We ain't talking about murders and rapist. But is a guy has been arrest because he has stolen a candy bar from the local department store isn't anything to worry about. I don't think anybody has stated they want a field full of ex-cons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisLee Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 We have to many nice guys on defence .I want some thugs out there. Give me a James Harrison type player any day of the week. Who was the last player on our team to put fear into an opposing team? Lawyer Milloy, maybe.Get rid of this supposed "filter", and take some chances. I would be willing to bet opposing wide receivers fear DRob and Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookAboutFalcon Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 i dont know man chris hope made victor cruz think twice before coming across the middle.That was just one play by a backup player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 5 drafts is more than enough of a sample size to judge the impact of character restrictions on talent acquisition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool_champions_of_europe Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Anyone else think its more coaching rather than a supposed filter? I mean we are coached to keep our heads and not beat ourselves which helps in the 16 game season but once the playoffs come and nasty takes over and refs don't throw as many flags were severely disadvantaged? I could be crazy here but just a thought, I mean you can have the least amount of penalties but in the playoffs you can get away with more so its no advantage but is in the regular season.I just can't get that incident with Samuel picking brees and being told off, ill take a pick and confidence over 15 yards all day. Same as a personal foul that makes a QB or WR scared for the rest of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I want some head hunters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I want some head hunters.We have head hunters... I want people who can wrap up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The term Falcon Filter was derived by Rich McKay. If you read "The Draft" by Pete Wilson, You'll see that - contrary to the common view - the filter doesn't sifts out low character players that we won't draft. It actually does the opposite. It filters out the 6-8 players players the draft who score the very top marks on every one of the character traits that we most covet.I don't have an issue with character based drafting, but I do think that we place a bit too much emphasis on character and special teams ability. If you look back at recent draft, it's clear that that regime really covets a certain type of player - academic, high motor, team captain types who were productive at whatever level they played at. I just wish at times that we'd go for more players who played college ball productively at the highest level ,even if they aren't necessarily the academic, team captain types, as long as they don't have significant red flags. I'd prefer to roll the dice a bit more, rather than taking low risk, low ceiling guys from the smaller colleges, just because they are the character type that we want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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