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This should be an interesting discussion... We are actually in a unique situation.... All of our higher paid Defenders are working on mostly base salary so we could make some big changes (releases) to free up cap space to bring in some big changes.

Or we could stay the corse and try to add 1 guy and FA then focus on the draft... If you feel like our D is a couple of pieces away.

So how would you approach this offseason or how do you think the FO, Coach Smith, and Mike Nolan will approach this offseason ?

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would like to see a FA de or dt,not one of the top dollar type guys, but someone who is proven. draft another DE/DT high, and a lb who can tackle/rush. not sure we'll find all starters in this year draft for our needs. would like at least 3 out of our 9 picks to start, and make an impact sooner then later. early round DE's in the last couple of year's have been proving rookies can start off on the fast track. on side note, any rb we draft should have the feature job right away.

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I guess it really depends on how our FO thinks our younger D lineman are going to do. There are alot of question marks.

Cliff Matthews appears to be average.

Sidbury appears to be gone, but if we switch to run more 3-4 looks he could have an impact

Massaquoi i think has a future as a pass rusher

Travian Robertson is a guy i really like

Biermann appears to have an important role

If they choose the route of changing our D then we have alot of work to do.

If it were me I would just add a few pieces and keep the main guys we have. I think there are alot of good pass rushers in this draft. If a guy like Okafor isn't there in the 1st then i wouldn't be opposed to taking Carradine at that spot or trade back and acquire another 2nd round pick and maye take Brandon Jenkins or Lemonier.

If we were to go the FA route I would love to have Cliff Avril. If it were possible to sign him without crippling our cap I think it would be a great move. He is not comparable to Ray Edwards at all. And he would come in and play LE for us. I can't comment to much on him against the run, but The Dirty Bird claims he was the best run stuffer or one of the best on Detroits D line. So if a guy that possess such a good pass rush and can hold up against the run then I think its a smart move to lock him up for the next 5-7 years and be done with looking for LDE's. That frees us up to go for pass rush specialist who are much easier to find in the draft.

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Atleast 2 pass rushers. A big hog to eat up space in the middle

This plus I would add a LB that can cover TEs so it would be -1-2 pass rushers, 1 big DT and 1 LB that can cover TEs.

Since we are cap space challenged I would target only 1 premimum (A level type) player in any one of these positions perferable DE....possible take a shot at a B or C-level if money available for depth/insurance. I would target DE in Rd 1 praying one is available. LB with pass covering skills in Rds 2 or 3 and then a heavy DT late mid rounds in draft.

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I think we bring in 3 guys in total for the DL. Preferably someone with 4-3/3-4 NT, 4-3/3-4 OLB and 4-3/3-4 DE versatility. In FA, I can see Terrance Knighton and Sammie Lee Hill for being able to play NT in both schemes. For DE/OLB, I see expensive but worthwhile options in Paul Kruger and Cliff Avril. You pay for what you get though. Can't really see anyone with 4-3/3-4 DE versatility in FA. Might have to look at the draft for that (Ansah, Hunt, Gholston).

If we could get Knighton + Kruger in FA, that'd set us up very nicely for the draft.

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I'd cut Robinson, Jerry, and Franks. Re-sign Grimes to a one year prove yourself deal and Owens. Sign a FA DE. Then in the draft go LB round 1 (if Ogeltree is available), DT round 2, RB round 3, CB round 4, or DE/DT round 1 (if Ogletree is gone), LB round 2, RB round 3, CB round 4.

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I think we HAVE to add a couple more bodies on the D Line. Our issue was consistant pass rush. If there is no pressure, our secondary gets lit up.

A couple bodies in the middle would be nice.

I like Dorsey or Alan Branch. Or both. Sedrick Ellis would be good to be had for cheap as well.

The main issue is getting a strong pass rusher for the outside. We need someone good to play opposite Abe, and then in the draft we can draft another DE because frankly, we have two seasons of Abe left, TOPS. So if we're going to make a splash in FA, I'd like to see it on a DE.

If we can sustain a pass rush, then our D is substantially better already.

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Margus Hunt/Ezkeil Ansah and Alec Ogltree for me with the first 2 picks if available and then look at a space eater like Brandon Williams in the 3rd round or a Sammie Lee Hill in FA.

If it panned out with a combo of these guys I'd be a very happy Falcons Fan.

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First, I'd let go of Dunta and Jerry for sure, not because their bad players but because of their salary for what they do, I'd also cut Turner but that doesn't have to do with the defense so yaa. I would then in free agency go after Issac Sapoaga, Richard Seymour and see if Glenn Dorsey possibly would come cheaper, mind you I would only sign one of Sapoaga or Seymour and possibly Dorsey if he comes cheap enough.

In the draft:

1st Desmond Trufant

2nd Corey Lemonier or Margus Hunt whoever is their

3rd OLB Chase Thomas Standford

4th OLB Zaviar gooden

Gives us some solid looks on the d line, we can also move to a 3-4 if need be. Trufant is an upgrade at CB and could easily end up being a stud in the NFL, one of my favorite DB's in this draft. Lemonier can play DE or OLB so he fits in our scheme and Thomas can play OLB in a 4-3 or be a rush OLB in a 3-4, Zaviar is a solid coverage linebacker and would help in nickle situations and could even take Nicholas starting spot. I project that Spoon moves inside like he normally does and plays inside with Dent in a 3-4. I personally would love this look and creates some good options for Nolan to blitz!

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This should be an interesting discussion... We are actually in a unique situation.... All of our higher paid Defenders are working on mostly base salary so we could make some big changes (releases) to free up cap space to bring in some big changes.

Or we could stay the corse and try to add 1 guy and FA then focus on the draft... If you feel like our D is a couple of pieces away.

So how would you approach this offseason or how do you think the FO, Coach Smith, and Mike Nolan will approach this offseason ?

Obviously starts from the front line going backward.

We drastically need a D-Line makeover. One stud pass rusher, one stud DT, and another pass rusher and/or DT significant contributor.

I think everyone knows my big FA target is Cliff Avril. That takes care of one major pass rush spot and adds the OLB/DE versatility.

I also think Chris Canty as a minimum salary add for one year is an ideal fit. He wants one last big deal and will need to reestablish his value, and we need a talented DT and personnel that can shift between a 4-3 and 3-4. Canty was a stud 3-4 DE in Dallas, and a very good 4-3 DT with the Giants but he's coming off of injury.

A starting D-Line of Abe, Babs, Canty, and Cliff is very similar to the Giants' when they won the Superbowl of Osi, Joseph, Canty, Tuck. I think ours is actually a little more explosive since Babs is a better interior rusher and Avril and Abe are more explosive than Tuck and Osi. The Giants did have JPP as a rotational end though, with Tuck sliding inside to basically do what Babs does.

If Ezekial Ansah is there, which he won't be, we can take him in the 1st and add that JPP rotational element.

I think we need to add a nose tackle in the 1st 3 rounds so that we can move to a 3-4 with Babs as the weakside end and Canty as the strongside end, a RB in the 1st 3 rounds so our offense can become more dangerous, and a LB and OG in the first 4 rounds depending on how the board falls.

If we cut Dunta, we can instead take a CB in the 1st because one will likely be BPA (Rhodes or Banks or Trufant) and use some more FA money on another value DT like Sammie Lee Hill to play the NT in 3-4 sets.

FA:

Avril, big money

Sammie Lee Hill, small money

Chris Canty, small money

1) Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU

2) Eddie Lacy, RB, Bama

3) Tank Carradine, DE/OLB, FSU

4) best OG available

4comp) Xaviar Gooden, LB, Mizzou

5) slot WR/return man

revamped front 7, improved coverage at LB and CB, consistency and hope for improvement from the safeties. Add RB, add OG for competition at RG, slide Konz to OC, add a dynamic return man and slot WR to compete with HD and take #4 WR snaps, and TG comes back.

SB bound, hopefully.

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How does Chase Thomas fit in a 4-3?

Kind of like how Mark Herzlich fits the 4-3 as a MLB. Thomas offers much more pass rush ability, but both are slow but tenacious players. I can see Thomas being successful in the middle to hide up his coverage inabilities, but on the outside he'd be exposed. Maybe a little AJ Hawk-ish, which isn't really a good thing.

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Kind of like how Mark Herzlich fits the 4-3 as a MLB. Thomas offers much more pass rush ability, but both are slow but tenacious players. I can see Thomas being successful in the middle to hide up his coverage inabilities, but on the outside he'd be exposed. Maybe a little AJ Hawk-ish, which isn't really a good thing.

Thomas strength is rushing the passer. If he is a 4-3 MLB he won't be able to use that as much. He doesn't even close to play the run as Herzlich and Hawk, even in college.

Part of Thomas "coverage problems" is they forced him to play man instead of zone.

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Obviously starts from the front line going backward.

We drastically need a D-Line makeover. One stud pass rusher, one stud DT, and another pass rusher and/or DT significant contributor.

I think everyone knows my big FA target is Cliff Avril. That takes care of one major pass rush spot and adds the OLB/DE versatility.

I also think Chris Canty as a minimum salary add for one year is an ideal fit. He wants one last big deal and will need to reestablish his value, and we need a talented DT and personnel that can shift between a 4-3 and 3-4. Canty was a stud 3-4 DE in Dallas, and a very good 4-3 DT with the Giants but he's coming off of injury.

A starting D-Line of Abe, Babs, Canty, and Cliff is very similar to the Giants' when they won the Superbowl of Osi, Joseph, Canty, Tuck. I think ours is actually a little more explosive since Babs is a better interior rusher and Avril and Abe are more explosive than Tuck and Osi. The Giants did have JPP as a rotational end though, with Tuck sliding inside to basically do what Babs does.

If Ezekial Ansah is there, which he won't be, we can take him in the 1st and add that JPP rotational element.

I think we need to add a nose tackle in the 1st 3 rounds so that we can move to a 3-4 with Babs as the weakside end and Canty as the strongside end, a RB in the 1st 3 rounds so our offense can become more dangerous, and a LB and OG in the first 4 rounds depending on how the board falls.

If we cut Dunta, we can instead take a CB in the 1st because one will likely be BPA (Rhodes or Banks or Trufant) and use some more FA money on another value DT like Sammie Lee Hill to play the NT in 3-4 sets.

FA:

Avril, big money

Sammie Lee Hill, small money

Chris Canty, small money

1) Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU

2) Eddie Lacy, RB, Bama

3) Tank Carradine, DE/OLB, FSU

4) best OG available

4comp) Xaviar Gooden, LB, Mizzou

5) slot WR/return man

revamped front 7, improved coverage at LB and CB, consistency and hope for improvement from the safeties. Add RB, add OG for competition at RG, slide Konz to OC, add a dynamic return man and slot WR to compete with HD and take #4 WR snaps, and TG comes back.

SB bound, hopefully.

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Don't really like any of the FA defensive ends. I feel like they are all band-aids instead of real fixes. Freeney and Osi are old, Avril there are question marks too.

Some people say sign Randy Starks, would be okay with that but would like to draft a DT early as well so we have younger guys developing to eventually take over.

So mostly draft DT/DE with the first couple picks, maybe an athletic OLB.

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1st - Kawaan Short - DT

2nd - Khaseem Greene - LB

3rd - William Gholston - DE

4th - Tyrann Mathiau - CB

4th(comp) - Marcus Lattimore - RB

5th - Levine Toilolo - TE

6th - Seantrel Henderson - OL

7th - Knile Davis - RB

7th(comp) - Chris Harper - WR

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mattheiu doesn't drop that far, henderson is going back to school, harper doesn't drop that far. Post your own topic, don't hijack someone else's.

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not do this

mattheiu doesn't drop that far, henderson is going back to school, harper doesn't drop that far. Post your own topic, don't hijack someone else's.

I'm not sure if you have something personal against me but several other people posted their own personal thoughts in this thread and you said nothing to them. I'm gonna ask you nicely not to respond to any of my post please.

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I would start by determining what scheme we want to focus more. It sounds as though they prefer being multiple and would like to play more 3-4 and amoeba looks than last year. I think most of the current D players are versatile enough to play 4-3 or 3-4. As has been mentioned before, though, we lack a big, quality DT/NT, the LB depth is weak, and we get very little pressure off the edge. So, those are the three areas I would focus on addressing through FA & draft.

As for secondary, I've heard varying reports on D Robinson's contract status, from he is a big cap hit if kept to he will have a big negative hit to the cap if released. Dunta is a good player, but I think his status on the team depends largely on the truth about the cap.

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