vel Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 One thing I thought about the more the time passes from the Senior Bowl is Larry Warford needs to be on this team. I know he plays guard, a less valuable position. But at #30, I don't see a player that can impact this team more than Warford. Like some have said, Warford has All Pro potential. Okafor is more of a consistent ~8 sack guy. The way Warford clears lanes and holds his ground in the pass game at his size is rare. To be able to add a Carl Nicks/Jahri Evans to our line for Ryan's career is an opportunity we need to seize. Compare that to adding a guy like Okafor he has Orakpo type potential in my opinion, who is a good player, but more of a 8-9 sack guy even though he had 11 sacks as a rookie. That's Pro Bowl production, not All Pro. You want to talk about a people mover, that's Warford. Plain and simple. He gave up 0 sacks his senior year at Kentucky. That's against SEC players like Richardson and Floyd. Not like he was in the WAC or something. He was against the best talent week in and week out and shut every single one out. I know the offense wasn't the problem with our playoff team so to speak. But the first round pick needs to be an impact player and Warford is more of that than Okafor. If we took a guy like Warford, we could draft any running back in the mid rounds and they'd produce behind him. He's that good. This would fix our offense for the next five years easy. The only sore spot after RG is TE and WR depth and RB. TE, WR and RB can be fixed this year in the latter rounds. Taking Warford let's us go defense heavy the rest of this draft and also the draft next year. After Warford, I think the only RG I would say this about is Travis Frederick, and he isn't on the same level as Warford. He has played RG his whole career at Kentucky. I think when they saw Smitty and TD looking at OLine, they were looking at Warford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Okay, so we take Warford at 30. Who is our starting LDE next season? NT? TE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-TowN.- Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yeah I am only concerned about our pass rush but if we can address DE via FA I'm down for it. I would still love to have Warford, he's the main person I want in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennesaw77 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Okay, so we take Warford at 30. Who is our starting LDE next season? NT? TE?LDE:Malliciah Goodman, William Gholston (my fav if we want a LDE), Stansly MapongaNT:Akeem Spence, Bennie LoganTE:Travis Kelce, Gavin Escobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 LDE is still a problem. Gholston isn't that good of a pass rusher and I've never even heard of the other two guys you listed. Akeem Spence is an awful pass rusher. Bennie Logan is undersized and wouldn't be a big upgrade to our DT corps. Kelce and Escobar are decent but overrated. We need an IMPACT pass rusher and we can't get that in the 2nd round this year, but what we CAN get is a dominant road grading RG like Travis Frederick or Alvin Bailey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennesaw77 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 LDE is still a problem. Gholston isn't that good of a pass rusher and I've never even heard of the other two guys you listed. Akeem Spence is an awful pass rusher. Bennie Logan is undersized and wouldn't be a big upgrade to our DT corps. Kelce and Escobar are decent but overrated. We need an IMPACT pass rusher and we can't get that in the 2nd round this year, but what we CAN get is a dominant road grading RG like Travis Frederick or Alvin Bailey.You said LDE not RDE. All those listed are adequate pass rushers whose strength is playing the run.Again, you said NT so not rushing the passer wouldn't be an issue as long as they could get some decent push.I disagree Logan is a great player vs the run and good vs the pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennesaw77 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Forgot to mention Brandon Williams as a NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Our problem is that our LDE can't pass rush worth a **** and we have no depth at RDE. When I say NT, I don't mean "player that can stop the run in a one gap scheme and can't pass rush no matter what you ask of him," I mean "player who can beat single blocks consistently in every phase of the game and can draw and stonewall double teams often". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennesaw77 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Our problem is that our LDE can't pass rush worth a **** and we have no depth at RDE. When I say NT, I don't mean "player that can stop the run in a one gap scheme and can't pass rush no matter what you ask of him," I mean "player who can beat single blocks consistently in every phase of the game and can draw and stonewall double teams often".I agree. Like I said, the above players are all adequate pass rushers, just not guys that can play RDE or get over 8+ sacks a year.I know what you meant. Like I said, for a guy like that it would take a 1st rounder or settle for someone that can do that a fair amount of the time like a Akeem Spence or Logan or Short. A lot of those 2nd rd+ NT types have issues with their motors/effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennesaw77 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I really think people are underrating Logan. He isn't flashy but the man can stop the run and get a good interior push in the passing game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 The only way we are getting Warford is to take him in the first or trade back a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodiac Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Like I said, you don't take solid contributor> all-pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Okay, so we take Warford at 30. Who is our starting LDE next season? NT? TE?Reaching for players when there are better players at another position of need just because the lesser player fills a perceived bigger need is stupidity. It's what leads to players like Jamaal Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaJoe Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Warford = high level NFL Guard. RG or LG.Okafor is not same level talent.I do not want to have to take Warford at 30 tho'Hoping the Guard group really slides back into 2nd Rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 We could trade back a bit and give up our fourth or something, get a third rounder in the process...there's a lot we could do.Reaching for players when there are better players at another position of need just because the lesser player fills a perceived bigger need is stupidity. It's what leads to players like Jamaal Anderson.Anderson was perceived as one of the best DE prospects in the draft. He was a bust, but he wasn't necessarily an obvious one. It's only in retrospect that we can see he friggen blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jluk Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Our problem is that our LDE can't pass rush worth a **** and we have no depth at RDE. When I say NT, I don't mean "player that can stop the run in a one gap scheme and can't pass rush no matter what you ask of him," I mean "player who can beat single blocks consistently in every phase of the game and can draw and stonewall double teams often".So you think there is a DE at #30th pick that can make an immediate impact in our pash rush? "our problem"? really? try alot of teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Reaching for players when there are better players at another position of need just because the lesser player fills a perceived bigger need is stupidity. It's what leads to players like Jamaal Anderson.Naah, pure stupidity leads to players like Jmaal Anderson. Not doing due diligence or even interviewing him? That's just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 So you think there is a DE at #30th pick that can make an immediate impact in our pash rush? "our problem"? really? try alot of teams.Alex Okafor is an immediate impact LDE. Sharrif Floyd would also be an immediate impact guy, but at NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam25 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think it's insane anyone can say how anyone will due in the future, just like the people in the Tom Brady draft I bet they all said he had no chance. You can't say Warford will be an all pro or Alex Okafor will be a 8 sack guy, you don't know that one person's work ethic is stronger then another, for all you know Warford comes in and tears his ACL. Point is no one should doubt any skill of any player we pick at 30 untill you see them for 2-3 years in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodiac Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 We can project, and based on everything we've seen the book on Warford says All-Pro, he's shut down 5-6 1st or 2nd round DTs over the last year.Okafor looks like a poor man's Orakpo, which is essentially 6-8 sacks a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennesaw77 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Hoping the Guard group really slides back into 2nd RdYeah but I think Warford has established himself in that elite guard group with Womack and is better than Cooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennesaw77 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Sharrif Floyd would also be an immediate impact guy, but at NT.Floyd doesn't play Nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennesaw77 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 To be fair to Orakpo he is getting the short end of the stick playing in a 3-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodiac Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 To be fair to Orakpo he is getting the short end of the stick playing in a 3-4. Orakpo was like 260 coming out, a lot of people viewed him as a 3-4 OLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Floyd doesn't play Nose.He would in our scheme. He'd fill the same role that we wanted Peria to fill, and that he filled quite well the couple of games before his injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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