Matty Pennington Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 8 years? td you suck. how bout we dont go bargain hunting dumpster diving for once and get some actual talent on that line? stop trying to be a genius and just do your **** job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vabchbirdlover Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Who is the "We", we speak of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki46dinah Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Since Mike Smith, we have averaged around...30 sacks/season on an average of...550 pass attempts against our defense...which is not very good.2004- 48 (517 pass attempts)2005- 37 (526 attempts)2006- 37 (515 attempts)*Other notable years in the recent Falcons' history2002- 47 (514 pass attempts)1998- 38 (551 pass attempts)So its obvious we have had troubles getting to the QB during Smith's tenure.We have had well documented and obvious issues addressing our pass rush along the DL....Jamaal Anderson was a carryover, and is/was awful at rushing the passer. Awful.Ray Edwards is/was awful at rushing the passer as a Falcon, probably as a lack of motivation...the guy is a great athlete, but obviously started coasting once he got here.Kroy is a decent pass rusher, but is a little undersized, and has to be used a lot so he gets worn down.Sidbury never sees the field...ever.Matthews/Massa...who knows, probably not starters though.Davis was kinda like Kroy, did a little of everything, but never a great pass rusher.Babs is OK at rushing the passer, but far and away not a dominant force.Vance is OK, not really a pass rusher.Peters was coming on, then got hurt this year and I barely heard his name called ever again.Perry.....I was not pleased with the draft pick from the start, and he continues to be a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rain Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The Achilles's heel of the 4-3 defense it that it relies on having monster DE's (like Abraham) to generate an outside pass rush. One of the hardest type of players to acquire (either through the draft or free agency). When you have one, things are great, but when you don't....This is one reason a number of teams have switched to a 3-4. Finding a 3-4 rush linebacker seems to be an easier task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob1272 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Dwight Freeny struggled mightily in switching to their 3\4 Hybrid, since there is talk of us doing the same he might not be an option, but if we stay at 4\3 he could still be great in the short term. No idea what kind of contract he would want, he made 14 million last season and for the 4 sacks, 8 total tackles, one pass defended, and one forced fumble as the Colts outside linebacker you would think his price would drop significantly......to borrow from Tony: This is 95% a pipe dream, but just something to throw out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoFalcons Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I would say ever since the Vick era, we just rely way too much on Abraham.....and when he was hurt we were screwed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crankdatfalcon Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Since the days of pat Kearney and Brady smith.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Since the days of pat Kearney and Brady smith..Do you know how may guys we drafted on that D-line, Kearney, Smith, Coleman, & Jasper?1 guy... Patrick Kearney. The rest were free agent pickups and it took Kearney years to develop.If we want to improve the pass rush we probably need to pick up a free agent and draft someone to develop. The problem is we seem to have a problem letting developmental players see the field... like Sidbury.The worst part will be if we let Sidbury walk and he starts putting up sack numbers somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lubba Lubba© Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Ray Edwards set us back 2 years with our D-Line, hugest mistake ever made by TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FALCON4LIFE87 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Need some push in the middle as bad as we need help on the outside. If Abraham misses any time we are screwed. I think we get ok pressure from the ends but the qb has all the space to step up and make a clean throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ol'_dirty2 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 No interior beast=no pass rushGrady used to eat space(and everything in it lol) and occupy two blockers. This helped someone else on the outside get free. Rod Coleman used to actually collapse the middle too and he was tall. This forced QB's to the waiting arms of the outside rush. We need some big, strong, and quick fat boys in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon90 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Man TD need to start digging up the patriots magic and finding some gems in the later rounds. Find us a Charles Johnson or a Elvis Dumervil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 2008. Only because Abraham was amazing that year but everyone else still sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 2004 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Maybe some of the problem is that improving the pass rush hasn't been a priority since TD and Smith arrived. Their one semi-serious effort was throwing a big wad of cash at Ray Edwards, who had like one decent year thanks to having Jarred Allen on the other side of the line drawing most of the attention. Guess the moral of that story is to stay out of the FA DE market and do a better job of drafting the next time around. And don't stop drafting pass rushers until you get to round 5 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 If there was one old schooler i would loved to see on this team it would be rod coleman circa 2004He is who geno adkins reminds me of most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 we all remember the kerney an abe year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossFALCON™ Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 If we could go back in time and combine our 04 pass rush + abe, we'd be bringing home a Lombardi in 2 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high impact Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I sure would like to have a better one next year. Falcons get that and it will be hard for any team to keep up. That is if Tony G were also back. Sure wish he could give the Falcons one more year!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 we all remember the kerney an abe yeardid that ever happen? I thought we never had them together for a season, because Kerney got hurt the year Abe came, then Abe got hurt the following.....then Kerney left the ATL hanging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumblesjr Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 did that ever happen? I thought we never had them together for a season, because Kerney got hurt the year Abe came, then Abe got hurt the following.....then Kerney left the ATL hanging.that's true. it would've been great... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2000 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I think Kerney and Abe had like one game together. I could be wrong though. We had some high sack years with Kerney, Coleman, and Smith during the Vick years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Since the days of pat Kearney and Brady smith..and ROD COLEMAN, man was he a beast that one and a half yearsi used to love watching him, hed be in the backfield before the center stood up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioHOFer Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 3 playoff losses, 3 unqualified DLs, that will continue until the DL is fixedFortunately there are answers set to hit FAFreeney and Osi Umenyiora I expect both to be available, both are exactly what we need, a proven impact pass rusher. Freeney is 32 and Osi 31 so they'll be cheaper than guys like Avril or Johnson who are younger but unproven and not as good. Freeney wants back in a 4-3, Osi wants to be a starter, we can give either what they wantThen we can draft the most explosive pass rusher available in the 1st or 2nd to be Abes heirAt DT we need an actual DT who can stop the run, free up other players at set up 3rd and long. There are some great fits who would be difference makers here like Randy Starks, Terrance Knighton, Roy Miller and Sammie Lee Hill. We could also bring in a 2nd guy on a 1 year deal like Glenn Dorsey or Pat Sims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I like the vets as pass rushers, but the are both older and have injury histories....similar to what we have in Abe.The other issue is neither are very big, and are poor in run defense.With that said their presence would have definately been helpful in preventing losing 20-0 and 17-0 leads in the playoff games this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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