windu Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Every NFL team is a collection of compromises. The goal is to find the right combination of star, good, and average players, a scheme that fits those players and is also competitive against other teams, and coaches that can prepare the players, implement the scheme and make the right decisions during games.We know what this year's Falcons team was, even if at times it seemed that our coaches didn't. Our team was built to pass and score. We ranked 6th in passing and 7th in points scored (26.2 pts/game). We were 29th in rushing.Our defense? We ranked 5th in points allowed. Pretty darned good. (Seattle and SF were #1 and #2.) But we all know that offense is our strength, and that our defense produced results way above what you would expect from the names on our roster. We are kidding ourselves if we thought our defense could hold Seattle or SF under 28 points. So I'm not disappointed in our defense. They gave up what I thought they'd give up. The only way this team, built this way, with these weapons, could beat those teams, is if we score and score and score some more. And how were we built to score? By passing to the best collection of receivers in football. So we saw that plan executed flawlessly in the first half on Sunday. Especially Q1. I thought to myself, we are finally being who we were built to be. An unstoppable passing and catching machine, featuring Julio Jones. So why did we lose? We didn't get conservative. We lost because in the second half, we kept executing the plan, but we didn't execute it flawlessly. We executed it with multiple flaws. The interception, the fumble and the personal foul penalty = three turnovers. Those flaws killed us, because all we needed was one field goal on any of those possessions. We get that field goal, and the final drive is for an easy field goal to win.Matt Ryan has to own the interception and the fumble. He's not fired, shouldn't be traded, blah blah blah, but those errors in execution derailed the only way we could have won that game. No different than the great Peyton Manning's interception that derailed the Broncos. Or Brady's errors that derailed the Patriots. Brees has done it too. Matt will bounce back and have more chances to make those plays, and hopefully we'll get where we want to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymadd Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Every NFL team is a collection of compromises. The goal is to find the right combination of star, good, and average players, a scheme that fits those players and is also competitive against other teams, and coaches that can prepare the players, implement the scheme and make the right decisions during games.We know what this year's Falcons team was, even if at times it seemed that our coaches didn't. Our team was built to pass and score. We ranked 6th in passing and 7th in points scored (26.2 pts/game). We were 29th in rushing.Our defense? We ranked 5th in points allowed. Pretty darned good. (Seattle and SF were #1 and #2.) But we all know that offense is our strength, and that our defense produced results way above what you would expect from the names on our roster.We are kidding ourselves if we thought our defense could hold Seattle or SF under 28 points. So I'm not disappointed in our defense. They gave up what I thought they'd give up. The only way this team, built this way, with these weapons, could beat those teams, is if we score and score and score some more. And how were we built to score? By passing to the best collection of receivers in football.So we saw that plan executed flawlessly in the first half on Sunday. Especially Q1. I thought to myself, we are finally being who we were built to be. An unstoppable passing and catching machine, featuring Julio Jones.So why did we lose? We didn't get conservative. We lost because in the second half, we kept executing the plan, but we didn't execute it flawlessly. We executed it with multiple flaws. The interception, the fumble and the personal foul penalty = three turnovers. Those flaws killed us, because all we needed was one field goal on any of those possessions. We get that field goal, and the final drive is for an easy field goal to win.Matt Ryan has to own the interception and the fumble. He's not fired, shouldn't be traded, blah blah blah, but those errors in execution derailed the only way we could have won that game. No different than the great Peyton Manning's interception that derailed the Broncos. Or Brady's errors that derailed the Patriots. Brees has done it too. Matt will bounce back and have more chances to make those plays, and hopefully we'll get where we want to be.I agree that the fumble is huge but we still overcame it to put ourselves in a position to win the game. The interception is more on Roddy White falling down than Matt Ryan. If White would have stayed on his feet the ball would have been caught by Roddy or imcomplete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Yeah...It's squarely on Ryan...IMO. He was behind the wheel. But, he knows that he has to stop it with the T.O.s. If a RB averaged 2 T.O.s or so in a couple of playoff games....he'd be talked about and ridiculed from now to juvember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominique is Manufique Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The reason the fumble is so huge is its 3 pts off the board. A second fg is a potential winner.That said I back Matt Ryan. You can't expect flawless execution. Championships are won by overcoming adversity and that's why the better team won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Pennington Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 although your confidence in ryan is higher than mine youre pretty much spit on. i bet mrs ice herself would agree. people like to ignore the fact that weve given ryan all these toys to play with at the expense of the defense so to absolve ryan of blame and lay it all on the defense is short sighted and flat out wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I agree that the fumble is huge but we still overcame it to put ourselves in a position to win the game. The interception is more on Roddy White falling down than Matt Ryan. If White would have stayed on his feet the ball would have been caught by Roddy or imcomplete. Roddy fell this game as well? I don't feel that we recovered from the fumble snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windu Posted January 22, 2013 Author Share Posted January 22, 2013 I agree that the fumble is huge but we still overcame it to put ourselves in a position to win the game. The interception is more on Roddy White falling down than Matt Ryan. If White would have stayed on his feet the ball would have been caught by Roddy or imcomplete.I guess I see that play differently than you. I see Roddy slipping after the ball is already missthrown way left of Roddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joe™ Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Yeah...It's squarely on Ryan...IMO. He was behind the wheel. But, he knows that he has to stop it with the T.O.s. If a RB averaged 2 T.O.s or so in a couple of playoff games....he'd be talked about and ridiculed from now to juvember.Ryan is already talked about and ridiculed from '08 to juvember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtrslkr Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Yeah...It's squarely on Ryan...IMO. He was behind the wheel. But, he knows that he has to stop it with the T.O.s. If a RB averaged 2 T.O.s or so in a couple of playoff games....he'd be talked about and ridiculed from now to juvember.A RB doesn't handle the ball on every snap. Not making excuses, just saying that the comparison is invalid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original dirty_dirty Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Yeah...It's squarely on Ryan...IMO. He was behind the wheel. But, he knows that he has to stop it with the T.O.s. If a RB averaged 2 T.O.s or so in a couple of playoff games....he'd be talked about and ridiculed from now to juvember.True, true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymadd Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I guess I see that play differently than you. I see Roddy slipping after the ball is already missthrown way left of Roddy.the ball would have not been intercepted if Roddy was still on his feet or even on his Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lubba Lubba© Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Hopefully next year we can put teams AWAY, so we don't have to drive ourselves mad thinking about single plays being the difference in these games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterC Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Buuut, we wouldn't have had the 24 points without him either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 A RB doesn't handle the ball on every snap. Not making excuses, just saying that the comparison is invalid.Good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ryan really played his a55 off...just that one play. He was that close! So I don't feel bad about it in hindsight. He just has to overcome the T.O.s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lubba Lubba© Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ryan really played his a55 off...just that one play. He was that close! So I don't feel bad about it in hindsight. He just has to overcome the T.O.s.We lost our running game with Turner went down and we became completely 1 dimensional. The fact that Ryan still did as good as he did with the 49ers committed to stopping the pass is good to me. We couldn't afford to put Ryan into game manager mode like 49ers were able to do with CK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodge_birds_fan Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 So defense not covering Davis or stopping Gore had nothing to do with it? I'm not saying he's blameless but to say he's the only reason is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ryan has to own his role in the loss. As do the defenders who failed to tackle and cover, the receivers who dropped the ball or tripped over their own feet, the OLine that couldn't get a hole for a running game to get started, the head coach who failed to call a time out when the QB was in obvious distress and the game was on the line and 2 timeouts in our pocket. The OC who called that run down there in the red zone, the DC who failed to match wits with the SF OC, the fans who couldn't shut their freaking mouths when we were on 4th down in a critical situation.There were so many reasons we lost this game. Was the fumble a factor. Yes. Was the interception a factor. Yes.Were they the only factors? Oh No. Not even close.Ryan's job now - is to improve his performance, heal and get ready for next year. If he spends his time dwelling on the mistakes he made in this game - we are doomed to repeat them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 We are kidding ourselves if we thought our defense could hold Seattle or SF under 28 points. So I'm not disappointed in our defense.Then you must be completely blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kschreck Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 This loss is on more than one person, period. The fact that 42 points were scored on us in the 2nd half of the two games is every bit as bad as only 10 second half points in them. imo anyone who thinks this is all on Ryan either doesn't really understand football or has an agenda. Others will choose not to see him at fault at all. The truth lies in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 We lost our running game with Turner went down and we became completely 1 dimensional. The fact that Ryan still did as good as he did with the 49ers committed to stopping the pass is good to me. We couldn't afford to put Ryan into game manager mode like 49ers were able to do with CK.They couldn't stop our Big Three...we didn't need to run at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Ryan has to own his role in the loss. As do the defenders who failed to tackle and cover, the receivers who dropped the ball or tripped over their own feet, the OLine that couldn't get a hole for a running game to get started, the head coach who failed to call a time out when the QB was in obvious distress and the game was on the line and 2 timeouts in our pocket. The OC who called that run down there in the red zone, the DC who failed to match wits with the SF OC, the fans who couldn't shut their freaking mouths when we were on 4th down in a critical situation.There were so many reasons we lost this game. Was the fumble a factor. Yes. Was the interception a factor. Yes.Were they the only factors? Oh No. Not even close.Ryan's job now - is to improve his performance, heal and get ready for next year. If he spends his time dwelling on the mistakes he made in this game - we are doomed to repeat them.God Bless you Tandy Edited January 22, 2013 by hjerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isproab Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Every NFL team is a collection of compromises. The goal is to find the right combination of star, good, and average players, a scheme that fits those players and is also competitive against other teams, and coaches that can prepare the players, implement the scheme and make the right decisions during games.We know what this year's Falcons team was, even if at times it seemed that our coaches didn't. Our team was built to pass and score. We ranked 6th in passing and 7th in points scored (26.2 pts/game). We were 29th in rushing.Our defense? We ranked 5th in points allowed. Pretty darned good. (Seattle and SF were #1 and #2.) But we all know that offense is our strength, and that our defense produced results way above what you would expect from the names on our roster.We are kidding ourselves if we thought our defense could hold Seattle or SF under 28 points. So I'm not disappointed in our defense. They gave up what I thought they'd give up. The only way this team, built this way, with these weapons, could beat those teams, is if we score and score and score some more. And how were we built to score? By passing to the best collection of receivers in football.So we saw that plan executed flawlessly in the first half on Sunday. Especially Q1. I thought to myself, we are finally being who we were built to be. An unstoppable passing and catching machine, featuring Julio Jones.So why did we lose? We didn't get conservative. We lost because in the second half, we kept executing the plan, but we didn't execute it flawlessly. We executed it with multiple flaws. The interception, the fumble and the personal foul penalty = three turnovers. Those flaws killed us, because all we needed was one field goal on any of those possessions. We get that field goal, and the final drive is for an easy field goal to win.Matt Ryan has to own the interception and the fumble. He's not fired, shouldn't be traded, blah blah blah, but those errors in execution derailed the only way we could have won that game. No different than the great Peyton Manning's interception that derailed the Broncos. Or Brady's errors that derailed the Patriots. Brees has done it too. Matt will bounce back and have more chances to make those plays, and hopefully we'll get where we want to be.Did you watch the game? Did you see Roddy on the ground when Matt threw the ball? Too many people are so quick to blame Matt that they don't even look at the facts because the have preconceived notions on Ryan. The fumble is all on Matt. The pick, not so much. Timing route, WR falls down. Just like the pick in the endzone against Green Bay, Michael Jenkins falls down, the ball is picked. Can't blame the QB on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since68andcounting Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Matt Ryan has to own the interception and the fumble. He's not fired, shouldn't be traded, blah blah blah, but those errors in execution derailed the only way we could have won that game. No different than the great Peyton Manning's interception that derailed the Broncos. Or Brady's errors that derailed the Patriots. Brees has done it too. Matt will bounce back and have more chances to make those plays, and hopefully we'll get where we want to be.I agree he needs to own the fumble, but the ball was in the air when Roddy made his break and fell down on the INT. So you can hardly blame the QB for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodge_birds_fan Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 This loss is on more than one person, period. The fact that 42 points were scored on us in the 2nd half of the two games is every bit as bad as only 10 second half points in them. imo anyone who thinks this is all on Ryan either doesn't really understand football or has an agenda. Others will choose not to see him at fault at all. The truth lies in the middle.Truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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