Mega Flare Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 If anyone is convinced, it should be the father of two elite QB's we beat this year! Archie Manning: Falcons' Matt Ryan not a 'choker' (NFL.com)"Peyton went through it at Tennessee because they didn't beat Florida, and (Ryan is) going through it now with his playoff record," Manning told USA Today. "But this is not Tom vs. Peyton, or Aaron vs. Matt. It isn't tennis. It isn't golf. Ninety to 95 percent of the time, it's the best team wins, not the best quarterback. You get to the point of labeling people chokers or losers, and that's not fair. It's one of the worst things in sports." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_own_nfc_south Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Funny thing, Archie compared to Peyton college years than NFL years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I agree with Manning that it probably isn't fair to label Matt Ryan a choker.But...it's ridiculous to dismiss that the concept of "choking" isn't real, which is what he seems to be doing.There are a multitude of examples of athletes just completely folding under pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supes™ Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 So true. But Archie's words will carry no weight with the Ryan haters in here, regardless of what happens Sunday and/or the rest of the post season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TITLETOWN FALCON Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Well unfortunatley perception is reality for most people. And the perception of most people is that he is a choker. I am so ready to see him pull a Steve Young and body slam that gorilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mattural Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 So true. But Archie's words will carry no weight with the Ryan haters in here, regardless of what happens Sunday and/or the rest of the post season. You can't reason with people who choose not to listen to it. I've learned to not even respond to them with legitimate stuff because they're either trolling or just so biased it's not worth my time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 It is the best team that wins, but it's also the QB position that has the most impact, good or bad, on the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vabchbirdlover Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Which reinforces the commonly held opinion that the QB gets too much credit when things go well and too much blame when they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Flare Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 So true. But Archie's words will carry no weight with the Ryan haters in here, regardless of what happens Sunday and/or the rest of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCEagleATLFalcon Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I don't like the word "choker," but there's simply no denying that Matt has not played at his best when the pressure is highest. It's been true ever since college. (Don't get my meaning wrong here. He's absolutely fantastic at pressure points WITHIN a game. When we need a game-winning drive, for example. What I'm talking about is when the game itself is a "pressure" one.)I genuinely believe it ends Sunday, though. Matt's never played as well as he has this season.It's time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Which reinforces the commonly held opinion that the QB gets too much credit when things go well and too much blame when they don't.I think every game is different. Sometimes it's true, sometimes it isn't.Like, in the 2010 game with GB, Rodgers deserved every bit of the credit he could be given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Swift will be in this thread soon under a new sockpuppet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 The good news for Matt is that after you win that first one they don't use the word choker anymore on you. After that, they just say your team got beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vabchbirdlover Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I don't like the word "choker," but there's simply no denying that Matt has not played at his best when the pressure is highest. It's been true ever since college.I genuinely believe it ends Sunday, though. Matt's never played as well as he has this season.It's time.Which may be this difference this time around.BTW, don't know if I've said this before, but great signature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Classiest "famous" person I've ever had contact with...I was a huge Archie Manning fan when I was a kid (being from Mississippi and all). He wrote me a letter telling me tips and drills to perform if I wanted to become a quarterback....Did a painting of him 15-20 years ago...Thought I would meet him at his office in New Orleans, but he was away doing some promotional work for the Saints...Left the painting and some prints for him to sign....He not only signed and mailed the prints to me, but called me here in Atlanta....we talked for about 5 minutes or so...Just a really nice man, classy as all get out, and would have racked up unbelievable stats if he had been on a Steeler or Cowboy team from the beginning of his pro career....Unlike Eli and Peyton, Archie could run....seriously run......He was Steve Young before there was a Steve Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leowolf Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 It's not about choking. Its more about putting the team in position to win a post season game. Matt Ryan has not done that yet with his play . Even the best QBs in today's game have had some pretty lousy playoff performances yet there team was still able to pull out a victory . I's going to take the entire Falcons team to beat the Seahawks. The praise and criticism will always fall under the QB. Ryan can go out there and pass for 300 yards and 3 TDS and play a heck of a game but if he comes up small late in game and Falcons don't have success he will take the blunt of the criticism .Maybe, Ryan goes out there on Sunday and plays a crappy game filled with turnovers and miscues yet the Atlanta Falcons find a way to win cause of Mike Nolan on defense but when Ryan is called upon late to make a play to help us win he does so . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 pick™ Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Choking and regressing aren't the same thing. Donovan chokes in the playoff. Peyton has regressed in the playoffs. There is a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Peyton has regressed in the playoffs. What does that mean? Regressed from when? How he plays in the season, or how he played early in his career in the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leowolf Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 For all the talk of Peyton Manning and his playoff failures he has the same QB rating and passing yards thrown as Tom Brady in the playoffs . Peyton Manning had early struggles in post season but since then he has played pretty well. The problem is selective memory . As Falcon fans we see Peyton Manning as a so called "CHOKER" cause his pick 6 sealed the deal for the Saints to win their first championship . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finally Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I can't blame Matt when we have an entire defense that in the past has routinely ran out of gas at half time. Why would I blame one person over the 11 on the other side of the ball? It is like saying:Dear Young QB,Please play perfect because if you don't we won't win. Hope you don't mind a ridiculous amount of pressure.Sincerely,Fans with unreasonable expectations.Then ask the young qb to beat 2 world champions and 1 SB contender.DUH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Never heard anyone use the term "choker" to describe Ryan before this article.And i dont believe it for a second.His 4th quarter comebacks and impressive primetime record kinda nullify that label.Tony Romo is a choker. Matt Ryan is not. Sounds to me like the interviewer used the term to try and get a reaction from Archie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD2 The Duke Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Classiest "famous" person I've ever had contact with...I was a huge Archie Manning fan when I was a kid (being from Mississippi and all). He wrote me a letter telling me tips and drills to perform if I wanted to become a quarterback....Did a painting of him 15-20 years ago...Thought I would meet him at his office in New Orleans, but he was away doing some promotional work for the Saints...Left the painting and some prints for him to sign....He not only signed and mailed the prints to me, but called me here in Atlanta....we talked for about 5 minutes or so...Just a really nice man, classy as all get out, and would have racked up unbelievable stats if he had been on a Steeler or Cowboy team from the beginning of his pro career....Unlike Eli and Peyton, Archie could run....seriously run......He was Steve Young before there was a Steve Young.Gritz JD2 again.Hey I know we are gonna win this week. I wanted to give u and suoes an idea for next week game whether its gb or sf. Falco remember's the time when he wasn't popular in his younger years,like a nerd actually and sf or gb gave him the worst wedgie ever.Two years later he's not the same Falco that every one believes he is. He the Falco of today and he is ready for some payback. What u think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Flop Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 So true. But Archie's words will carry no weight with the Ryan haters in here, regardless of what happens Sunday and/or the rest of the post season.What does Archie Manning know about quarterbacks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD2 The Duke Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Classiest "famous" person I've ever had contact with...I was a huge Archie Manning fan when I was a kid (being from Mississippi and all). He wrote me a letter telling me tips and drills to perform if I wanted to become a quarterback....Did a painting of him 15-20 years ago...Thought I would meet him at his office in New Orleans, but he was away doing some promotional work for the Saints...Left the painting and some prints for him to sign....He not only signed and mailed the prints to me, but called me here in Atlanta....we talked for about 5 minutes or so...Just a really nice man, classy as all get out, and would have racked up unbelievable stats if he had been on a Steeler or Cowboy team from the beginning of his pro career....Unlike Eli and Peyton, Archie could run....seriously run......He was Steve Young before there was a Steve Young.Hey Gritz I know we are gonna win this week. I wanted to give u and Supes an idea for next week game whether its gb or sf. Falco remember's the time when he wasn't popular in his younger years,like a nerd actually and sf or gb gave him the worst wedgie ever.Two years later he's not the same Falco that every one believes he is. He the Falco of today and he is ready for some payback. What u think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boat Shoes Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 But...it's ridiculous to dismiss that the concept of "choking" isn't real, which is what he seems to be doing.How has he choked? For four years he was playing in an offense that was centered around the run game. We would pound the ball between the tackles and beat you with play action. If a defense shut Turner down, the offense fell apart, and not just in the playoffs.Turner never ran for more than 42 yards in any of our three playoff losses. I'm not blaming him. I'm just saying it's foolish to say Ryan has choked when he was in an offense that absolutely needed a functioning running game. Look at his first four years- In Mularkey's offense, they never seemed to be able to win when someone shut the run game down. Now, take a look at this past year. In this offense, Ryan has been able to win without run support. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that we now run screens. I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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