vabchbirdlover Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Difference in opinions but I think Wilson has as much if not more of a chip on his shoulder as Matt. Guy's like 5'11, drafted in the third round, and started behind Flynn on the depth chart. He had to work his way to where he is now. Flynn also makes more than him and he knows that if he slips up, Flynn is more justified to start because Flynn has the bigger contract.What kind of adversity has Ryan had to face? Drafted number 2 in the draft. Day 1 starting QB with absolutely no pressure. Has the best group of skilled players on offense in the NFL. First pass in the NFL is a TD. Never had a losing season. When he loses, the blames rests on the o-line or defense. When he wins, he gets all the credit. Has a big fat contract. Will without a doubt get a HUGE contract extension because he's Dimitroff's pride and joy. Guy has it made. Just needs to stay injury free and retire.0-3 playoff record and you have every media person bringing this up daily and you can you can say with a straight face, where's thepressure? How bout ressurecting a team from the ashes of the Vick/Petrino debacle. First pass was a TD, kudos to him. At the onset, the skilled players weren't a known commodity. Far as I know, I've never heard him blame anyone for his shortcomings.He deserves whatever finanicial rewards coming his way, get over it Edited January 10, 2013 by vabchbirdlover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Geez dude, you don't think the three playoff losses and the pressure that comes with that represents adversity?Give me a break.Russell Wilson went to prep school. He is Clarence from 8 mile. Watch him fold up like Clarence this Sunday.Three playoff losses is nothing when most fans think he's the best QB the Falcons have. He's under no one's shadow. Eli has always been second to Peyton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 Three playoff losses is nothing when most fans think he's the best QB the Falcons have. He's under no one's shadow. Eli has always been second to Peyton.Occasionally you say something that isn't ********, but this isn't one of those times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Everyone in the world understands how much pressure as on Matt Ryan coming in behind Michael Vick. Well....everybody except you.There was no pressure because failure was the expectation. The Falcons were predicted to have one of the worst records that season. If Ryan did poorly, it was because everyone percieved the team to be 'shambles' so no big deal. There was no downside, only upside. No burdern of expectation. On top of having basically no pressure at all, he had Turner to take the load off his shoulders. Edited January 10, 2013 by Mr. Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Absolutely, barring a complete collapse of the OL , this game lies sqaurely on Matt.Nope, even then, it's squarely on Ryan- he has to make good quick decisions, scramble, sidestep, take the hit to make the throw.This is Ryan's game- he has to be the one that makes it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 Nope, even then, it's squarely on Ryan- he has to make good quick decisions, scramble, sidestep, take the hit to make the throw.This is Ryan's game- he has to be the one that makes it work.True story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) 0-3 playoff record and you have every media person bringing this up daily and you can you can say with a straight face, where's thepressure?It's all external pressure that everyone faces and not local pressure. Ryan doesn't play in a place like NY or Dallas where every mistake is crucified.And even if you think there's all this 'pressure', Ryan isn't the type that can step it up. He has it made. What's the motivation in stepping it up? He's even said to have the most 'beautiful' face or something like that. Edited January 10, 2013 by Mr. Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Ryan came it at a time when the Holmgren philosphy is live and well in which rookie QBs are supposed to sit for 2-3 years before starting. There was no pressure of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 But you will come to a place, where the only thing you feel, are loaded guns in your face, and you'll have to deal with..... Pressure - William Martin JoelBilly wrote that lyric about Matt's situation this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) But you will come to a place, where the only thing you feel, are loaded guns in your face, and you'll have to deal with..... Pressure - William Martin JoelBilly wrote that lyric about Matt's situation this week.And what kind of innate drive does Ryan have to go out and overcome that pressure? His life is made. No need to do anything else except sign the contract extension and retire off into the sunset injury free. In fans' mind he's already the best QB the Falcons have had. There's no bar that Ryan needs to reach. He's already reached all of them. Edited January 10, 2013 by Mr. Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 And what kind of innate drive does Ryan have to go out and overcome that pressure? His life is made. No need to do anything else except sign the contract extension and retire off into the sunset injury free.If you believed his motivation was money. I don't believe that. If you do, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) If you believed his motivation was money. I don't believe that. If you do, so be it.Not entirely money, but he's already reached every Falcon's bar. There's nothing left. Actually what's interesting is I would say Gonzalez is extremely money motivated and he's a HOFer. Edited January 10, 2013 by Mr. Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 Not entirely money, but he's already reached every Falcon's bar. There's nothing left. How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?I guess some people view things differently like they think Ryan has 'it' when I don't. I just don't see the innate desire to be the best there ever was. Some people don't have drive. Some people have enough drive to be in first place. Some people aren't satisfied with 1st place but want to be miles away from the second place guy. I see Ryan as somewhere in between the first and second guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 I guess some people view things differently like they think Ryan has 'it' when I don't. I just don't see the innate desire to be the best there ever was. Some people don't have drive. Some people have enough drive to be in first place. Some people aren't satisfied with 1st place but want to be miles away from the second place guy. I see Ryan as somewhere in between the first and second guy.You were right. Salvation lies within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 I like to think that the last thing that went through Richard Sherman's head, other than that HGH, was to wonder how the h*ll Matt Ryan ever got the best of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?You have to understand, in 3 days one of the lynchpins of the anti-Ryan crowd is going to bite the dust. They all know that and are trying to get a few last jabs in while they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Without a culture of excellence, it's hard to know where you stand with respect to the rest of the world. The Falcons just don't have that successful pedigree. They don't have a guy like Brett Favre or Joe Montana or whoever, that overshadows them. A guy they know that fans will compare him to. We compare Ryan to Bartkowski. But who's Bartkowski in relation to the Dan Marinos. You know Luck will always be compared to Manning and thus Luck has an extremely high bar to overcome. It won't be easy for him to endear himself to his fans. It's easy for Ryan.Just look at Notre Dame. Playing in their own bubble and thinking they are good while the top of the class teams beat each other up in the SEC. And then Notre Dame leaves their bubble and finds a rude awakening in the real world. They were child's play to Alabama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joe™ Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Difference in opinions but I think Wilson has as much if not more of a chip on his shoulder as Matt. Guy's like 5'11, drafted in the third round, and started behind Flynn on the depth chart. He had to work his way to where he is now. Flynn also makes more than him and he knows that if he slips up, Flynn is more justified to start because Flynn has the bigger contract.What kind of adversity has Ryan had to face? Drafted number 2 in the draft. Day 1 starting QB with absolutely no pressure. Has the best group of skilled players on offense in the NFL. First pass in the NFL is a TD. Never had a losing season. When he loses, the blames rests on the o-line or defense. When he wins, he gets all the credit. Has a big fat contract. Will without a doubt get a HUGE contract extension because he's Dimitroff's pride and joy. Guy has it made. Just needs to stay injury free and retire.Ryan was drafted 3rd overallAt least do your homework before you bash the guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 You have to understand, in 3 days one of the lynchpins of the anti-Ryan crowd is going to bite the dust. They all know that and are trying to get a few last jabs in while they can.Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. and no good thing ever dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I like to think that the last thing that went through Richard Sherman's head, other than that HGH, was to wonder how the h*ll Matt Ryan ever got the best of him.You're killing me, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceFalcon Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Mr. Right,Sorry your Next coming of Jesus RG3 couldn't beat Seattle.Now, if you'd be so kind as to remove yourself from this board, it would be much appreciated.Thanks,Everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joe™ Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Also, I find it slightly ironic that you say Ryan hasn't had to overcome anything yet you, a Falcons fan, doesn't fully support nor have faith in him.How many QB's have had to overcome sections of their own fan base and have the success he's had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 Mr. Right,Sorry your Next coming of Jesus RG3 couldn't beat Seattle.Now, if you'd be so kind as to remove yourself from this board, it would be much appreciated.Thanks,Everyone.Mr. Right has trouble sleepin' at night. He has bad dreams like Matt Ryan winning the MVP in the Super Bowl. He wakes up scared. Sometimes it takes him while to remember where he is.HeI doesn't like it here. He's tired of being afraid all the time. He's decided not to stay. He doubts they'll kick up any fuss. Not for an old troll like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Without a culture of excellence, it's hard to know where you stand with respect to the rest of the world. The Falcons just don't have that successful pedigree. They don't have a guy like Brett Favre or Joe Montana or whoever, that overshadows them. A guy they know that fans will compare him to. We compare Ryan to Bartkowski. But who's Bartkowski in relation to the Dan Marinos. You know Luck will always be compared to Manning and thus Luck has an extremely high bar to overcome. It won't be easy for him to endear himself to his fans. It's easy for Ryan.Just look at Notre Dame. Playing in their own bubble and thinking they are good while the top of the class teams beat each other up in the SEC. And then Notre Dame leaves their bubble and finds a rude awakening in the real world. They were child's play to Alabama.Matt Ryan IS the Brett Favre or Montana of this franchise. He's building as he goes. There has to be the first guy to have guys tfollow. Montana built his own. HE put the pressure on guys behind him like Steve Young. Before Montana there wasn't even a Bartkowski for that franchise. The Falcons were relatively still a baby organization in the grand scheme of things compared to teams like GB, Baltimore/Indy, NY, Pitt, Chi etc...Success has to start at some point. This is that point. It started in 08. They've achieved milestones each year since then, now they have to achieve playoff success milestones. Sometimes the book is written as you go. Atlanta didn't come into the game with a great owner like most storied franchises. Arthur Blank changed that and is a great owner who has changed the culture for this team and the culture is steadily growing and increasing in learning how to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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