Sorry If You Are Not Satisfied With Matt Ryan, You Are An Idiot

[MSalmon]

Agree to a point. Fact is in his rookie year we played a competitive game against AZ. Turner's fumble , combined with Brookings gaffe lost that game.

Green Bay loss was a failure on defense. Literally no punts. Matt played decently until th pick 6. Well you know the rest of the story

The Giants game was most annoying with all the lack of 1 yd conversions.

But there is a common thread in all 3 losses. Either Turner mistakes or ineffectiveness. I'm not completely being a Matt Ryan apologist, but to be fair in all 3 playoff losses we came in with an offense centered around Michael Turner and with an OC in Mularkey who refused to change his scheme. IMO if we get blown out this year, the loss can be pretty much put on Ryan as Koetter has given Matt the keys to the offense.

But the past 3 losses are not all on Ryan. Sorry if you run a ball-control offense predicated on power running and Play action, yet can't run the ball that's not all on QB. That's an OC issue.

I'm as curious as everyone to see how Koetter does in playoff time.

[#1 pick™]

I think Mike Smith covers a whole lot of weaknesses on this team. A QB simply cannot be elite when his playoff performances are a shadow of his regular season performances.

This is exactly how I felt the last couple of playoff appearances. It was on queue with his regular season performances.

[A-TowN.-]

That's about the most ******** comment I've heard yet. You are starting 2013 with terrible opinions A-town.

Speak for yourself Holly. He hasn't played any decent defense, and you know this. He also has the benefit from not being under center, so don't even blame his OL, they've had a cake walk schedule.

[#1 pick™]

Agree to a point. Fact is in his rookie year we played a competitive game against AZ. Turner's fumble , combined with Brookings gaffe lost that game.

Green Bay loss was a failure on defense. Literally no punts. Matt played decently until th pick 6. Well you know the rest of the story

The Giants game was most annoying with all the lack of 1 yd conversions.

But there is a common thread in all 3 losses. Either Turner mistakes or ineffectiveness. I'm not completely being a Matt Ryan apologist, but to be fair in all 3 playoff losses we came in with an offense centered around Michael Turner and with an OC in Mularkey who refused to change his scheme. IMO if we get blown out this year, the loss can be pretty much put on Ryan as Koetter has given Matt the keys to the offense.

But the past 3 losses are not all on Ryan. Sorry if you run a ball-control offense predicated on power running and Play action, yet can't run the ball that's not all on QB. That's an OC issue.

I'm as curious as everyone to see how Koetter does in playoff time.

Teams stop Turner on purpose. You take away Turner, put 8 to 10 in the box and force Ryan to beat you. Arizona didn't do it but Green Bay and New York did. Neither way, it's a new year, we will see what he can do.

I personally think Ryan has to finally prove it.

[A-TowN.-]

Teams stop Turner on purpose. You take away Turner, put 8 to 10 in the box and force Ryan to beat you. Arizona didn't do it but Green Bay and New York did. Neither way, it's a new year, we will see what he can do.

I personally think Ryan has to finally prove it.

I'm sorry but did you black out when we played the Giants this year. Oh wait...doesn't fit your agenda...

Hey, remember, Hooked on Phonics is cheap man.

Edited January 1, 2013 by A-TowN.-

[FalconinPA]

So, your acceptance is conditional?

Ryan is "elite" right now and he'll get his Super Bowl if our interior OL can keep the pocket from collapsing giving Ryan the minimal time necessary to find the open receiver...which will be necessary if we play Seattle in the first game given their strong DL, strong CB's, and our weak running game.

Ryan covers a whole lot of weaskness on this team...especially what I still believe to be a below average OL.

No it is not. You thinking that Ryan is elite is still a matter of opinion, I will leave that argument for each person and the talking heads. I really don't get caught up in the whole elite thing. I know Ryan is a good QB and can lead us to where we need to be. I should have said that if the Falcons win the super bowl they all will be elite in my book, even say a Peter Konz.

[Quarterback]

I think Mike Smith covers a whole lot of weaknesses on this team. A QB simply cannot be elite when his playoff performances are a shadow of his regular season performances.

Then you simply do not understand the position of QB.

Could Ryan have played better? Absolutely! Could the OL have played better? Obviously! Could the playcalling by MM repeatedly slaming the now slow afoot Turner into the Giants DL been avoided? Certainly.

We are talking about the same Matt Ryan that outplayed P Manning, Rivers, Vick, Griffin, Brees (once), E Manning and Stafford in the most meaningful games of this season. He is the same Matt Ryan that will win his first playoff game in two weeks if the team around him (particulary the OL) performs to the same level Matt Ryan is capable.

It's a new year, MF, get on board with your team and support and encourage their QB that gives us the absolute best shot at a Lombardi in Falcon history.

[Quarterback]

No it is not. You thinking that Ryan is elite is still a matter of opinion, I will leave that argument for each person and the talking heads. I really don't get caught up in the whole elite thing. I know Ryan is a good QB and can lead us to where we need to be. I should have said that if the Falcons win the super bowl they all will be elite in my book, even say a Peter Konz.

This all one can ask for!

Happy New Year!

[xSICKxWITHxITx]

Then you simply do not understand the position of QB.

Could Ryan have played better? Absolutely! Could the OL have played better? Obviously! Could the playcalling by MM repeatedly slaming the now slow afoot Turner into the Giants DL been avoided? Certainly.

We are talking about the same Matt Ryan that outplayed P Manning, Rivers, Vick, Griffin, Brees (once), E Manning and Stafford in the most meaningful games of this season. He is the same Matt Ryan that will win his first playoff game in two weeks if the team around him (particulary the OL) performs to the same level Matt Ryan is capable.

It's a new year, MF, get on board with your team and support and encourage their QB that gives us the absolute best shot at a Lombardi in Falcon history.

Get em QB. Most of the people your talking to is pointless though. Who knows what MF truly is.

[A-TowN.-]

Most of the people your talking to is pointless though.

Exactly.

[#1 pick™]

Speak for yourself Holly. He hasn't played any decent defense, and you know this. He also has the benefit from not being under center, so don't even blame his OL, they've had a cake walk schedule.

Dude, you are ******** and a big lie. The teams they played v. are explosive offenses and that means more possessions on the defense. SF this year had times they were better than Baltimore in the early 2000's but you will never see PPG like the early 2000's again in the NFL because the league is different and the average QB is much better as well.

Marshall offense 7th in the nation.

Maryland offense is horrible but there defense is 20th in the nation.

Baylor offense is 1st in the nation

Texas offense is 37th and defense is below average but very talented with Okafor and Jeffcoat on the DL

TT defense is 38th in the nation

K State defense is 42th in a high powered offensive conference giving up 21.1 ppg 24th in the nation.

Okie St offense is 5th in the nation

OU offense is 11th and defense is 44th, 43th in scoring D and 26th in passing D. Really son? This might be one of the best passing defenses in the nation considering their comp and ability.

Iowa St is 38th ppg allowed.

Seriously and then you say you do not need a OL. What kinda weed are you smoking on? It's 2013, I need to just leave fools like you to yourself.

Edited January 1, 2013 by Hollywood #1 pick

[freebird310]

Then you simply do not understand the position of QB.

Could Ryan have played better? Absolutely! Could the OL have played better? Obviously! Could the playcalling by MM repeatedly slaming the now slow afoot Turner into the Giants DL been avoided? Certainly.

We are talking about the same Matt Ryan that outplayed P Manning, Rivers, Vick, Griffin, Brees (once), E Manning and Stafford in the most meaningful games of this season. He is the same Matt Ryan that will win his first playoff game in two weeks if the team around him (particulary the OL) performs to the same level Matt Ryan is capable.

It's a new year, MF, get on board with your team and support and encourage their QB that gives us the absolute best shot at a Lombardi in Falcon history.

Thank you kind sir, best post I have yet to see in 2013 !

[CherryGhost]

I am not satisfied with him talent wise but he has did what he needed to do to

You are a moron - figuratively and literally.

Go play in traffic.

[#1 pick™]

Then you simply do not understand the position of QB.

Could Ryan have played better? Absolutely! Could the OL have played better? Obviously! Could the playcalling by MM repeatedly slaming the now slow afoot Turner into the Giants DL been avoided? Certainly.

We are talking about the same Matt Ryan that outplayed P Manning, Rivers, Vick, Griffin, Brees (once), E Manning and Stafford in the most meaningful games of this season. He is the same Matt Ryan that will win his first playoff game in two weeks if the team around him (particulary the OL) performs to the same level Matt Ryan is capable.

It's a new year, MF, get on board with your team and support and encourage their QB that gives us the absolute best shot at a Lombardi in Falcon history.

They didn't go head to head with Ryan, they went head to head with our defense and Ryan went head to head with their defense. Ryan still has to prove to some he can do it. Some people aren't going to blindly accept it because you want them to. Muskokas is fully behind the team. Just because he has questions doesn't mean anything in terms of his fan loyalty.

Edited January 1, 2013 by Hollywood #1 pick

[MSalmon]

No it is not. You thinking that Ryan is elite is still a matter of opinion, I will leave that argument for each person and the talking heads. I really don't get caught up in the whole elite thing. I know Ryan is a good QB and can lead us to where we need to be. I should have said that if the Falcons win the super bowl they all will be elite in my book, even say a Peter Konz.

Elite is a subjective term. The OP was simply that he is the best QB we've ever had. Period we have gotten a great ROI from this kid. I'm like you, Ryan has done great. The one kicker is that this year is really the first year that the offense has belonged to Matt. Yeah, I know the interior OL has to block and the defense help out ( i think we're good there, forget the yds look at points given up); but really Ryan has taken all the abuse for playoff failures, but how about Turner? The focal point of our offense in those 3 playoff losses?

Here are Turners Stats, but keep in mind his numbers in those years during regular season were off the charts:

08 (Az) -- 18 rushes for 42 yds , TD; fumble lst and returned for TD

10 (GB) 10 for 39 yds, 1 TD; I didn't count them all but at least 6 runs for either no gain or negative loss

11 (NYG) 15 rushes for 41 yds

Now Turner was the focal point, yet he's ineffective and its all on Matt Ryan?

[freebird310]

Dude, you are ******** and a big lie. The teams they played v. are explosive offenses and that means more possessions on the defense. SF this year had times they were better than Baltimore in the early 2000's but you will never see PPG like the early 2000's again in the NFL because the league is different and the average QB is much better as well.

Marshall offense 7th in the nation.

Maryland offense is horrible but there defense is 20th in the nation.

Baylor offense is 1st in the nation

Texas offense is 37th and defense is below average but very talented with Okafor and Jeffcoat on the DL

TT defense is 38th in the nation

K State defense is 42th in a high powered offensive conference giving up 21.1 ppg 24th in the nation.

Okie St offense is 5th in the nation

OU offense is 11th and defense is 44th, 43th in scoring D and 26th in passing D. Really son? This might be one of the best passing defenses in the nation considering their comp and ability.

Iowa St is 38th ppg allowed.

Seriously and then you say you do not need a OL. What kinda weed are you smoking on? It's 2013, I need to just leave fools like you to yourself.

You got to be 14 years old ........

[FalconinPA]

This all one can ask for!

Happy New Year!

Same to you

[Tribal Chief]

2013 and people still resort to name calling in disagreement. Smh

[#1 pick™]

It's so clear that Ryan homers want people to blindly worship Ryan and attack anyone who doesn't when no one is mad at Ryan right now. Last I checked, I feel good about our chances this year and said as much. Still doesn't change the fact that I do not think he is very talented or elite but I fully support him as the QB.

[#1 pick™]

Elite is a subjective term. The OP was simply that he is the best QB we've ever had. Period we have gotten a great ROI from this kid. I'm like you, Ryan has done great. The one kicker is that this year is really the first year that the offense has belonged to Matt. Yeah, I know the interior OL has to block and the defense help out ( i think we're good there, forget the yds look at points given up); but really Ryan has taken all the abuse for playoff failures, but how about Turner? The focal point of our offense in those 3 playoff losses?

Here are Turners Stats, but keep in mind his numbers in those years during regular season were off the charts:

08 (Az) -- 18 rushes for 42 yds , TD; fumble lst and returned for TD

10 (GB) 10 for 39 yds, 1 TD; I didn't count them all but at least 6 runs for either no gain or negative loss

11 (NYG) 15 rushes for 41 yds

Now Turner was the focal point, yet he's ineffective and its all on Matt Ryan?

The OP point wasn't about Ryan being "simply that he is the best QB we've ever had". It was clear as day what this topic is about. "If you are not satisfied with Matt Ryan, you're an idiot". That is pretty much the basis of this topic. To say otherwise is deflecting from the truth.

[#1 pick™]

2013 and people still resort to name calling in disagreement. Smh

Sees the thread title...

[MSalmon]

It's so clear that Ryan homers want people to blindly worship Ryan and attack anyone who doesn't when no one is mad at Ryan right now. Last I checked, I feel good about our chances this year and said as much. Still doesn't change the fact that I do not think he is very talented or elite but I fully support him as the QB.

How is he not talented? Is he an RG3 athlete? No. But in terms of size, arm strength he is the prototypical drop back passer. In terms of accuracy he's above average to elite. His football IQ and intelligence are outstanding ...his intangibles, such as leadership are easily approaching rarified territory of Brady and Manning, as evidenced by his positive influence on the Falcons as a whole.

So let me guess, you'd rather have Vick?

[Tribal Chief]

Sees the thread title...

I shook my head at that as well. Even said wooooooooow

[Falcon Expert]

It's so clear that Ryan homers want people to blindly worship Ryan and attack anyone who doesn't when no one is mad at Ryan right now. Last I checked, I feel good about our chances this year and said as much. Still doesn't change the fact that I do not think he is very talented or elite but I fully support him as the QB.

Dude is top5 in every statistical category this year and is number 1 in completion %. And you don't think he is talented? Get real. That's about as good as it gets. The fact of the matter is that he is elite THIS year. No if,ands,or buts about it.

[FalconinPA]

Elite is a subjective term. The OP was simply that he is the best QB we've ever had. Period we have gotten a great ROI from this kid. I'm like you, Ryan has done great. The one kicker is that this year is really the first year that the offense has belonged to Matt. Yeah, I know the interior OL has to block and the defense help out ( i think we're good there, forget the yds look at points given up); but really Ryan has taken all the abuse for playoff failures, but how about Turner? The focal point of our offense in those 3 playoff losses?

Here are Turners Stats, but keep in mind his numbers in those years during regular season were off the charts:

08 (Az) -- 18 rushes for 42 yds , TD; fumble lst and returned for TD

10 (GB) 10 for 39 yds, 1 TD; I didn't count them all but at least 6 runs for either no gain or negative loss

11 (NYG) 15 rushes for 41 yds

Now Turner was the focal point, yet he's ineffective and its all on Matt Ryan?

I agree with the bolded 100%. Good post. I also agreed with the OP, just not calling people idiots though.