Falconsfan567 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Nah. He'll be back here. Right now he's crashing Atlanta Falcons Talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Nah. He'll be back here. Right now he's crashing Atlanta Falcons Talk.Probably lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Is he Grendel as well?Grendel and...swift, swifthitter, football expert, lolhammer, haynesandrison, swiftee,artiepiscano,swiftandchange, tuo dna E rm, arm strength coach,Mr. 0-2 aka Top Ramen, WavesCrashing, who?lio jones,who?lio jones [different than the first one], WeNeedaQB, red2play, treason, marlostanfield, RyanINT+1, FootballRealist,Return of SWFT, Delusion Debunker, Return of SWIFT, sameoleStuff, skinnypost, NLFlegend, Falconsswifty, sweatedand several that got permabanned and I couldn't find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Grendel and...swift, swifthitter, football expert, lolhammer, haynesandrison, swiftee,artiepiscano,swiftandchange, tuo dna E rm, arm strength coach,Mr. 0-2 aka Top Ramen, WavesCrashing, who?lio jones,who?lio jones [different than the first one], WeNeedaQB, red2play, treason, marlostanfield, RyanINT+1, FootballRealist,Return of SWFT, Delusion Debunker, Return of SWIFT, sameoleStuff, skinnypost, NLFlegend, Falconsswifty, sweatedand several that got permabanned and I couldn't find.Filmstudies was one he used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'll bite...So Brees Rodgers Brady and Manning don't need that much help eh? In 2 of the 3 playoff games wasn't it the DEFENSE that came up big for the Saints? The Favre INT, the Manning pick 6. Rodgers in his playoff run had his D give him 3 touchdowns, 1 per game starting with Atlanta. He tossed 2 picks in the NFC Championship as well with a defensive TD being the difference. As for Peyton well his numbers in his lone Super Bowl run are more than underwhelming. He tossed 7 INT's, lost 1 fumble and only threw for 3 TD's in 4 games. He never had more than 1 TD pass in any playoff game. His D also gave up an average of 7 points in their first 2 playoff games and held Brady to one TD in their AFC Championship showdown. Addai and Rhodes tore it up the last 2 games together in Manning's SB run combining for 315 yards in those games. Brady made the SB after having a 0 TD, 2 INT game vs Baltimore last year, in his last SB winning run Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk combined for 310 rushing yards in 3 games. In the SB winning run before that they gained 340 rushing yards on the ground in 3 games to help Brady. IN his first SB winning run Brady had 1 INT and 1 TD in 3 games and passed for under 200 yards in the last 2 of those games. He has I think only 1 300 yard game in all of his Super Bowl runs (win or lose). So I think it's a little bit of a ridiculous notion that these "special" guys get less help than any other QB to win or go to a SB. If anything this proves what everyone should know, football is the ultimate team sport.As for Matt he doesn't lack mobility he can move around well enough. He's 17th in rushing attempts among QB's and only 10 QB's averaged more YPA than Matt. He's 13th in rushing yards among QB's as well. He's not Drew Bledsoe back there. Of course you say Ryan isn't a special QB but this season: his QB rating is better than Brady/Brees, Brees tossed more INT's, Brady averaged less yards per attempt, only player to join those 4 guys with 30+ TD's this season (2 of those guys attempted more passes), had more passing yards than Manning/Rodgers, had a better completion % than all of them (tied with Manning) and he QB's the team that had the most wins in the league this season once again along with Manning. It's not by some coincidence that Ryan is top 5 across the board in the majority of QB statistical categories. If putting up numbers that are in the same realm as the 4 guys listed isn't something special then I don't know what is. He also does this behind the 2nd worst of all the OL's. In fact Ryan has taken 79 QB hits this year compared to Rodgers' 84, Brady has 66, Brees 55, Manning 40 (Half of Ryan!) Once again he's putting up these numbers with that working against him.I think everyone knows we need a better OL but everything else in your post is simply incorrect.Hall of fame response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) I'll bite...So Brees Rodgers Brady and Manning don't need that much help eh? In 2 of the 3 playoff games wasn't it the DEFENSE that came up big for the Saints? The Favre INT, the Manning pick 6. Rodgers in his playoff run had his D give him 3 touchdowns, 1 per game starting with Atlanta. He tossed 2 picks in the NFC Championship as well with a defensive TD being the difference. As for Peyton well his numbers in his lone Super Bowl run are more than underwhelming. He tossed 7 INT's, lost 1 fumble and only threw for 3 TD's in 4 games. He never had more than 1 TD pass in any playoff game. His D also gave up an average of 7 points in their first 2 playoff games and held Brady to one TD in their AFC Championship showdown. Addai and Rhodes tore it up the last 2 games together in Manning's SB run combining for 315 yards in those games. Brady made the SB after having a 0 TD, 2 INT game vs Baltimore last year, in his last SB winning run Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk combined for 310 rushing yards in 3 games. In the SB winning run before that they gained 340 rushing yards on the ground in 3 games to help Brady. IN his first SB winning run Brady had 1 INT and 1 TD in 3 games and passed for under 200 yards in the last 2 of those games. He has I think only 1 300 yard game in all of his Super Bowl runs (win or lose). So I think it's a little bit of a ridiculous notion that these "special" guys get less help than any other QB to win or go to a SB. If anything this proves what everyone should know, football is the ultimate team sport.I think everyone knows we need a better OL but everything else in your post is simply incorrect.Yes all QBs need help but the amount of help needed differs among QBs A Trent Dilfer would never win a Superbowl without a record breaking defense and top running game. An Aaron Rodgers wouldn't need both, perhaps one or even none. All the QBs you mentioned did benefit from having a 'opportunistic' defense, i.e. one that turned it up at the right time. However, they were able to step it up and win the game.You could argue that the 2010 debacle was a result of Ryan unable to carry the team and the defense unable to make a stop. I'll give you the fact that we needed a better defense. But in 2011, the defense was great for the first 3 quarters until they were gassed in the 4th. The offense, led by Ryan and had a top 5 draft pick in Julio Jones could not score a single point. That's more than enough proof to show that, while we had the 'opportunisitic defense' that would have propelled a guy like Manning or Brees to the next round, it still wasn't enough to carry our QB.That's why something needs to change. Ryan needs to get paid less, the money saved should be spent on o-line and pass rush and therefore the team can finally carry Ryan to a playoff victory and hopefully a Superbowl win. Edited January 2, 2013 by Mr. Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadMoonRising Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) Hall of fame response.Epic response Edited January 2, 2013 by BadMoonRising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal Line D Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Nope. Swift aint Grendel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Nope. Swift aint Grendel.Might have gotten one or two wrong, but most of those I listed were swift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Nope. Swift aint Grendel.Wonder what happened to Grendel? He was a knowledgeable poster, just loved brohm over Ryan. But he was fun to debate with. Heck I liked Swift most of the time:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBourneMurkedU Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Yes all QBs need help but the amount of help needed differs among QBs A Trent Dilfer would never win a Superbowl without a record breaking defense and top running game. An Aaron Rodgers wouldn't need both, perhaps one or even none. All the QBs you mentioned did benefit from having a 'opportunistic' defense, i.e. one that turned it up at the right time. However, they were able to step it up and win the game.You could argue that the 2010 debacle was a result of Ryan unable to carry the team and the defense unable to make a stop. I'll give you the fact that we needed a better defense. But in 2011, the defense was great for the first 3 quarters until they were gassed in the 4th. The offense, led by Ryan and had a top 5 draft pick in Julio Jones could not score a single point. That's more than enough proof to show that, while we had the 'opportunisitic defense' that would have propelled a guy like Manning or Brees to the next round, it still wasn't enough to carry our QB.That's why something needs to change. Ryan needs to get paid less, the money saved should be spent on o-line and pass rush and therefore the team can finally carry Ryan to a playoff victory and hopefully a Superbowl win.I expected a better effort. Ignored 2nd paragraph conveniently too. I'll take that round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 I expected a better effort. Ignored 2nd paragraph conveniently too. I'll take that round.I did too. A lot of emphasis on past falcon losses being used by the contrarians. I refuse to label them perennial playoff losers with 2 new coordinators and vastly revamped offensive and defensive philosophies ...we throw up a stinker in the playoffs this year--well the labeling can fairly begin. But nothing in our 3 losses suggest that we will be as lame in playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-TowN.- Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Back on topic. I am glad we have Ryan. Aside from the game where he threw 5 picks, he has been great in every aspect. I see him actually developing more and more each year, and that's scary because I believe his best years are still ahead of him. He's improved big time on his trajectory and deep ball accuracy amongst other things. He's improved every year and pretty soon (few years) I think he will be considered as one of the best in the league (top 3), similarly to how Manning and Brady are being talked about now. He's the real deal folks. I will probably be labeled a homer, but whatever. When's it's all said and done I think he's the best Falcons QB. Here's to hopefully making it to the SB and many more years of post season success! Edited January 3, 2013 by A-TowN.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Back on topic. I am glad we have Ryan. Aside from the game where he threw 5 picks, he has been great in every aspect. I see him actually developing more and more each year, and that's scary because I believe his best years are still ahead of him. He's improved big time on his trajectory and deep ball accuracy amongst other things.He's improved every year and pretty soon (few years) I think he will be considered as one of the best in the league (top 3), similarly to how Manning and Brady are being talked about now. He's the real deal folks. I will probably be labeled a homer, but whatever. When's it's all said and done I think he's the best Falcons QB. Here's to hopefully making it to the SB and many more years of post season success!Even in the 5 pick game, he kept his composure and lead the game winning drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Man Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Yes all QBs need help but the amount of help needed differs among QBs A Trent Dilfer would never win a Superbowl without a record breaking defense and top running game. An Aaron Rodgers wouldn't need both, perhaps one or even none. All the QBs you mentioned did benefit from having a 'opportunistic' defense, i.e. one that turned it up at the right time. However, they were able to step it up and win the game.You could argue that the 2010 debacle was a result of Ryan unable to carry the team and the defense unable to make a stop. I'll give you the fact that we needed a better defense. But in 2011, the defense was great for the first 3 quarters until they were gassed in the 4th. The offense, led by Ryan and had a top 5 draft pick in Julio Jones could not score a single point. That's more than enough proof to show that, while we had the 'opportunisitic defense' that would have propelled a guy like Manning or Brees to the next round, it still wasn't enough to carry our QB.That's why something needs to change. Ryan needs to get paid less, the money saved should be spent on o-line and pass rush and therefore the team can finally carry Ryan to a playoff victory and hopefully a Superbowl win.So we can expect you to retreat to the Redskins board, when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Even in the 5 pick game, he kept his composure and lead the game winning drive.And in doing so accomplished such for only the 2nd time in NFL history, as I recall, Bart Starr having been the only other. Edited January 3, 2013 by Quarterback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 And in doing so accomplished such for only the 2nd time in NFL history, as I recall, Bart Starr having been the only other.Winning that game showed a lot of resilience. We focus on the 5 INTs, but in total I believe it was 10 different defenders who got their hand on the ball at one point or another. That game was likely the one that threw Whisenhunt into the fire.As to historical significance.....most QBs are gone after 3 or 4 INTS. Not many stay in the game long enough to throw #5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJW 23 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Long has not been doing that great the past 2 years. Flacco is Brad Johnson/Trint Dilfer 2.0. His success is largely in part to that defense. He stepped into a franchise that was a perennial playoff team. Ryan stepped into a flamming pile of dog $hit & turned it into a perennial playoff team.make Smith is the reason the we trend the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) I expected a better effort. Ignored 2nd paragraph conveniently too. I'll take that round.Lol, because arguing the second paragraph is pointless. Only the first sentence is arguable. You want to talk about QB rating and I could say Russell Wilson and RGIII are both better than all the QBs listed. Does that make him special? By your definition yes but we have different defintions. Edited January 3, 2013 by Mr. Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Winning that game showed a lot of resilience. We focus on the 5 INTs, but in total I believe it was 10 different defenders who got their hand on the ball at one point or another. That game was likely the one that threw Whisenhunt into the fire.As to historical significance.....most QBs are gone after 3 or 4 INTS. Not many stay in the game long enough to throw #5.Agreed.Probably Ryan was left in because, one, I believe three of those int's were batted or tipped balls and, two, despite this it remained a close, winnable game. I was at this game and even though it was quite odd watching Ryan playing so careless with the ball at times you never had the feeling the game was getting away from us...a very weird game, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadMoonRising Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Agreed.Probably Ryan was left in because, one, I believe three of those int's were batted or tipped balls and, two, despite this it remained a close, winnable game.I was at this game and even though it was quite odd watching Ryan playing so careless with the ball at times you never had the feeling the game was getting away from us...a very weird game, however.Who you going to bring in McCown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Who you going to bring in McCown?Scary, isn't it?Now we know why Ryan has been instructed to just get rid of the dam.n ball when getting bull rushed. Live for another play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethos Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Who you going to bring in McCown?DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadMoonRising Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) DDYeah because your proven starter and team leader, who has given you 5 winning seasons is struggling lets bring in a guy off the practice squad. Edited January 3, 2013 by BadMoonRising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Yeah because your proven starter and team leader, who has given you 5 winning seasons is struggling lets bring in a guy off the practice squad.This is too funny..gotta bump this reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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