youngbloodz Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 How much of this thread has to do with thinking Ryan should be MVP?everything. I think Ryan should be 3. I would put him ahead of Rodgers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerFalcon8710 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Kony 2012 for mvp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Also Decker is a good receiver. Nothing special but a solid proIsn't that the essence of MVP? To elevate the performance of the "nothing specials" and "solid pros". Turn guys like Welker and Gronk into unstoppable forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Isn't that the essence of MVP? To elevate the performance of the "nothing specials" and "solid pros". Turn guys like Welker and Gronk into unstoppable forces.That's why Manning is second to AD in my MVP voting. Not that it means anything. But I think Gronk would be a beast for any of the top QBs. Like put Gronk on the Falcons, he would at least match Gonzo numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Being an admitted Falcons homer and hoping Ryan wins the award, here are my two cents: there is no run away leader for the 2012 MVP and as such a very strong case can be made for Ryan to win the award. If Manning and Peterson had not had such devastating injuries and made such compelling returns, I feel Ryan would likely get his first MVP this season; however, since there is no clear favorite, the voters will likely vote with emotion and give it to the four-time recipient. My case for Ryan is as follows...Denver clearly had a very strong team as evidenced by their ability to win a playoff game without a quarterback last season. Ryan also won the head-to-head duel which usually counts for something. With regards to Peterson, while he too is having one he'll of a season, Minnesota is not likely making the playoffs which should be a deal breaker. That leaves us with Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers. Both had unbelievable statistical seasons; however, Ryan has been more consistent throughout the year. I also believe that all things being equal, as is the case when debating the value of these two quarterback's in 2012, wins should be taken into account. And since we secured home-field throughout the playoffs, clearly the value tips into Ryan's favor. For these reasons I would cast my vote for Matty Ice in one of the tightest MVP races I can remember.As an aside, if Ryan does not have such a horrendous outing against Arizona, he probably wins the award walking away. And no matter how it all shakes out, Matt's 2012 campaign has put to rest any debate as to whether or not he is an elite quarterback in the National Football League. Any attempt to make the argument is ignorant, plain and simple... Edited December 28, 2012 by Falconsin2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Being an admitted Falcons homer and hoping Ryan wins the award, here are my two cents: there is no run away leader for the 2012 MVP and as such a very strong case can be made for Ryan to win the award.  If Manning and Peterson had not had such devastating injuries and made such compelling returns, I feel Ryan would likely get his first MVP this season; however, since there is no clear favorite, the voters will likely vote with emotion and give it to the four-time recipient.  My case for Ryan is as follows...Denver clearly had a very strong team as evidenced by their ability to win a playoff game without a quarterback last season.  Ryan also won the head-to-head duel which usually counts for something.  With regards to Peterson, while he too is having one he'll of a season, Minnesota is not likely making the playoffs which should be a deal breaker.  That leaves us with Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers.  Both had unbelievable statistical seasons; however, Ryan has been more consistent throughout the year.  I also believe that all things being equal, as is the case when debating the value of these two quarterback's in 2012, wins should be taken into account.  And since we secured home-field throughout the playoffs, clearly the value tips into Ryan's favor.  For these reasons I would cast my vote for Matty Ice in one of the tightest MVP races I can remember.As an aside, if Ryan does not have such a horrendous outing against Arizona, he probably wins the award walking away.  And no matter how it all shakes out, Matt's 2012 campaign has put to rest any debate as to whether or not he is an elite quarterback in the National Football League.  Any attempt to make the argument is ignorant, plain and simple...best Homer post in here. If he doesn't throw 8 interceptions against the Raiders and Cardinal he would probably have run away with it or came close to doing so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 That's why Manning is second to AD in my MVP voting. Not that it means anything. But I think Gronk would be a beast for any of the top QBs. Like put Gronk on the Falcons, he would at least match Gonzo numbers.I think a lot of TEs would flourish with Roddy and Julio on the outside...especially ones who could threaten the seam. Gronk is a great talent, but Brady has made him a lot more of a threat. Otherwise Gronk might just be the next Jason Witten, instead of posting WR type numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 all of falconsfan567 postsfixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 best Homer post in here. If he doesn't throw 8 interceptions against the Raiders and Cardinal he would probably have run away with it or came close to doing soyep. had he not had to bad games against 2 lower caliber opponents, there would probably less to debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawse Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Good choice I think.Coming off of serious surgery, he comes back and puts the ******* team on his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 The point? Brady and Manning have developed their supporting cast. Ryan had a great WR when he got here. That wasn't enough, so they got him a great TE and when that wasn't enough, blew 2 drafts on another great WR.that was the points i made, but some seem to think they are invalid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 fixed I know right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I know rightoh he and i had several heated debates going yesterday. we did seem to agree on the idea of switch clabo back to guard, and letting reynolds and holmes battle it out for rt. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 oh he and i had several heated debates going yesterday. we did seem to agree on the idea of switch clabo back to guard, and letting reynolds and holmes battle it out for rt. lollol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 same dam thing. This is a complete waste of time. You're a certified Homer, that is clear to me nowNo it's not. You can be the best player in the NFL and not be the MVP. Those are 2 different things. One can argue that Calvin Johnson is the best player in the NFL. But is he the MVP? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 The point? Brady and Manning have developed their supporting cast. Ryan had a great WR when he got here. That wasn't enough, so they got him a great TE and when that wasn't enough, blew 2 drafts on another great WR.The Colts already had Marvin Harrison for 2 years before Peyton Manning was drafted. Then they drafted Edgerrin James and Reggie Wayne in the first round of the next 2 drafts the year after they drafted Peyton. So it appears to me that the Colts wanted to make sure that Peyton had weapons to work with.Why isn't that held against Peyton but it's held against Ryan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 The Colts already had Marvin Harrison for 2 years before Peyton Manning was drafted. Then they drafted Edgerrin James and Reggie Wayne in the first round of the next 2 drafts the year after they drafted Peyton. So it appears to me that the Colts wanted to make sure that Peyton had weapons to work with.Why isn't that held against Peyton but it's held against Ryan?Wayne was actually 2 years after James. The Colts also took Dallas Clark, Anthony Gonzales, Joseph Addai and Donald Brown with 1st rounders. Seems like a consistent philosophy, perhaps triggered by drafting Emtman and Coryatt. I'm assuming they went BPA all those years. What the Colts didn't do is step outside their team building plan to trade for a 33 year old TE and give up 5 picks for a WR. For some strange reason, Polian felt he could make it happen without mortgaging the future.......and he was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 The Colts already had Marvin Harrison for 2 years before Peyton Manning was drafted. Then they drafted Edgerrin James and Reggie Wayne in the first round of the next 2 drafts the year after they drafted Peyton. So it appears to me that the Colts wanted to make sure that Peyton had weapons to work with.Why isn't that held against Peyton but it's held against Ryan?the only year he really deserved the award was 04 when he put up 4500 yards, 49 tds and 10ints when he proved he was far and away the best player in the league. for a then record passer rating of 121. the other years he put up decent numbers out side of yards. in 03 he split with mcnair. in 08 turner had as much claim to the mvp as manning did, and for crying out loud chad pennington was voted for. and in 09 brees had better numbers than manning but had one more loss. it just happens that he gets extra respect for his name and prior accomplishments. and no i m not debating with you any more, i am just pointing out some things to answer your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 the only year he really deserved the award was 04 when he put up 4500 yards, 49 tds and 10ints when he proved he was far and away the best player in the league. for a then record passer rating of 121. the other years he put up decent numbers out side of yards. in 03 he split with mcnair. in 08 turner had as much claim to the mvp as manning did, and for crying out loud chad pennington was voted for. and in 09 brees had better numbers than manning but had one more loss. it just happens that he gets extra respect for his name and prior accomplishments. and no i m not debating with you any more, i am just pointing out some things to answer your question.That doesn't answer my question as to why it's a "bad" thing for Ryan to have Roddy and Julio and Tony to throw to but it was never a "bad" thing that Peyton had Harrison and Wayne and James in the backfield?All I see on this board is Ryan wouldn't be **** without Roddy and Julio and Tony but nobody would dare say anything like that about Peyton even though he had first round draft picks all over his offense too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam Topdrew Bottom Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I think a lot of TEs would flourish with Roddy and Julio on the outside...especially ones who could threaten the seam. Gronk is a great talent, but Brady has made him a lot more of a threat. Otherwise Gronk might just be the next Jason Witten, instead of posting WR type numbers.Gronk would be nearly as dominant on any team. The guy is just really good at football. He was putting up the same type of numbers in college when he was able to play. Obviously with some scrub like say Ponder his numbers would dip some but pair him with any competent QB and he would be doing the same thing. He is just really really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam Topdrew Bottom Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Wayne was actually 2 years after James. The Colts also took Dallas Clark, Anthony Gonzales, Joseph Addai and Donald Brown with 1st rounders. Seems like a consistent philosophy, perhaps triggered by drafting Emtman and Coryatt. I'm assuming they went BPA all those years. What the Colts didn't do is step outside their team building plan to trade for a 33 year old TE and give up 5 picks for a WR. For some strange reason, Polian felt he could make it happen without mortgaging the future.......and he was correct.Would the Colts have not been a better team had they say traded their 1st in 07(Anthony Gonzalez) and 08(Tony Ugoh) their 07 2nd (Anthony McFarland) and two 4ths for the 6th pick and taken Adrian Peterson? Edited December 28, 2012 by Cam Topdrew Bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryanless Falcons Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Would the Colts have not been a better team had they say traded their 1st in 07(Anthony Gonzalez) and 08(Tony Ugoh) their 07 2nd (Anthony McFarland) and two 4ths for the 6th pick and taken Adrian Peterson?With this scenario Peyton is still in Indy and we are talking about a dynasty. It would have changed the league more than any trade of picks in recent memory, or for that fact history. Peterson with the protection of Peyton and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 With this scenario Peyton is still in Indy and we are talking about a dynasty. It would have changed the league more than any trade of picks in recent memory, or for that fact history. Peterson with the protection of Peyton and vice versa.They would never lose a game. It would be the most unstoppable offense ever assembled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butudontseeme™ Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 They would never lose a game. It would be the most unstoppable offense ever assembled.They would have still had trouble with the patriots because there still would have been no defense in Indy. Not saying it wouldn't have been great, because it would have, but the colts were a good defense away from having multiple championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 They would have still had trouble with the patriots because there still would have been no defense in Indy. Not saying it wouldn't have been great, because it would have, but the colts were a good defense away from having multiple championships.The only Super Bowl they won was because of their defense. Peyton played like complete garbage in the playoffs in 2006 and the Colts defense carried them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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