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Everyone seems to be talking about the secondary and what we should do.

I would love to keep Grimes, but financially, Nolan has shown what he can do without him. Dunta already restructured his contract and I don't think his cap hit will be high at all. I have loved the time with Grimes, but I believe from a business standpoint, it's time for him to go.

I believe our true focus for free agency and/or draft should be the trenches. We need more depth at O-Line and D-Line. I also believe the first step here is to find a new D-Line scout. If I understand the process correctly, our scouts are the ones who figured Ray Edwards to be a good deal, and the D-line draft picks aren't working out like they should. We will need a replacement for Babs soon, and DE as well. I say focus on the draft here, with a new scout, and see what we can do.

for the O-Line I would love to see free agency work it's magic, we seem to have a good nucleus, but Clabo will need his replacement soon, and i'm not sure the kid from SMU(?) will work, though he is a mountain.

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I don't this we bring in any big name/high priced free agents this year. We don't need to. We need to develop our own talent, and I think the organization probably feels like we have the coaching staff to do it.

I could see us signing a middle of the road/not very sought after ILB or DE, but no one huge.

On top of all of this, we need to resign our own guys first. Matt, Willie Mo, Baker, McClain ect... that will be our biggest goal. Not to mention, we need some youth. On Saturday night, they put up a graphic on TV that showed that we have like 9 starters that are over 30. You're not going to get youth from FA.

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Everyone seems to be talking about the secondary and what we should do.

I would love to keep Grimes, but financially, Nolan has shown what he can do without him. Dunta already restructured his contract and I don't think his cap hit will be high at all. I have loved the time with Grimes, but I believe from a business standpoint, it's time for him to go.

I believe our true focus for free agency and/or draft should be the trenches. We need more depth at O-Line and D-Line. I also believe the first step here is to find a new D-Line scout. If I understand the process correctly, our scouts are the ones who figured Ray Edwards to be a good deal, and the D-line draft picks aren't working out like they should. We will need a replacement for Babs soon, and DE as well. I say focus on the draft here, with a new scout, and see what we can do.

for the O-Line I would love to see free agency work it's magic, we seem to have a good nucleus, but Clabo will need his replacement soon, and i'm not sure the kid from SMU(?) will work, though he is a mountain.

Thoughts?

Dunta's restructure was to help the Falcons this year. Next year he has the highest cap hit on the team, higher even than Matt Ryan.

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I declare we keep Samuel an McClain then i dont care what we do with the rest. But we could get Dunta to muscle up an he could play lb or a blitzing safety for us like what troy polumanu is for the steelers.

you want robinson to play lb? how bout dt , why the **** not

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Dunta's restructure was to help the Falcons this year. Next year he has the highest cap hit on the team, higher even than Matt Ryan.

According to Spotrac, that is true. Dunta will count $10.4 million against the 2013 cap, whereas Ryan might count only $10 million. However, Yasinskas published an earlier article where he had Ryan's cap hit at $12 million for 2013. I think the difference between PY and Spotrac might be due to an incentive clause, that may or may not be likely to be earned in Ryan's contract. Based an earlier topic thread of mine:

Cap-hits scheduled for 2013 for each Falcons player, whose current contract extends into the 2013 season. Spotrac's scheduled 2013 cap charges for each player indicated below include base salary and various bonuses, but might NOT include "likely to be earned incentives", which are also part of a player's cap charge.

Dunta Robinson ….$10,400,000

Matt Ryan.................10,000,000 (assuming this is the correct amount, not $12,000,000 per PY)

Roddy White…...........9,325,000

Michael Turner...........8,000,000

Justin Blalock.............7,660,000

Tyson Clabo................6,800,000

John Abraham…..........6,156,000

Asante Samuel.............5,500,000

Jonathan Babineaux.....4,700,000

Ray Edwards….......... 4,650,000 ( Dead money amount for 2013. Originally scheduled for a $7,050,000 2013 cap hit before being cut)

Julio Jones …...............4,413,750

Stephen Nicholas..........3,500,000

Kroy Biermann..............3,433,333

Thomas DeCoud …......2,500,000

Harry Douglas...............2,500,000

Matt Bryant....................2,400,000

Sean Weatherspoon......2,348,750

Peria Jerry......................2,010,000

Jason Snelling................1,158,333

Peter Konz.........................815,590

Corey Peters ................ 766,750 (Peters does have a $738,000 possible 2013 escalator clause, which would then make his cap hit $1,504,750)

Akeem Dent.......................760,625

Mike Johnson …................735,500

Joe Hawley.........................695,750

Dominique Franks..............630,000

Lamar Holmes....................613,400

Jacquizz Rodgers................602,750

Cliff Matthews.....................585,500

Matt Bosher.........................578,950

Terrence Johnson................555,000

Jonathan Massaquoi............522,215

Charles Mitchell...................505,500

Travian Robertson...............491,474

Dominique Davis..................480,000

Robert James.......................480,000

Kevin Cone..........................480,000

Bradie Ewing (IR) ................451,000

Total (36 signed players with 2013 contracts)...$108,205,170

The following players contracts expire at the end of the 2012 season. Therefore, they will become free agents in 2013. Their respective 2012 base salary and cap-hit are provided as a point of reference.

Brent Grimes (IR)...$10,281,000....$10,281,000

Tony Gonzalez............3,900,000.......5,900,000

Sam Baker …..............1,183,750.......3,760,000

Will Svitek. (IR)............1,751,000.......1,751,000

Vance Walker (RFA)....1,260,000.......1,260,000

Todd McClure..................925,000.........990,000

Mike Peterson..................925,000.........990,000

William Moore..................565,000.....….840,000

Luke McCown..................825,000..........825,000

Chris Owens.....................565,000.........737,175

Lousaka Polite..................700,000.........700,000

Lawrence Sidbury.............565,000.........676,225

Chris Hope........................925,000.........640,000

Garrett Reynolds...............565,000.........610,150

Antone Smith.(RFA)..........540,000.........540,000

Michael Palmer (RFA).......540,000.........540,000

Robert McClain (RFA)..... 540,000..........540,000

Tommy Gallarda (RFA).....390,000......... 390,000

Drew Davis (RFA).............390,000..........390,000

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I predict Dunta's not going to be here next year. Regardless of his solid season, they can't afford to pay that contract, and I don't know that'll he'll agree to another pay cut next year, especially the kind the Falcons would ask him to take.

Doesn't mean Grimes will be back either. The Falcons might just roll with Samuel, McClain, Owens, Franks, and look for a CB in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

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I don't thik letting Grimes go is a good or viable option. We need depth and experience in the defensive backfield and someone who can put Nolan's scheme to good use as was what the Falcons were going to do prior to Grimes injury. We need Brent, Asante, & Dunta to compete effectively against teams that have the deep threats. Enough said.

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I don't thik letting Grimes go is a good or viable option. We need depth and experience in the defensive backfield and someone who can put Nolan's scheme to good use as was what the Falcons were going to do prior to Grimes injury. We need Brent, Asante, & Dunta to compete effectively against teams that have the deep threats. Enough said.

There is just zero chance that all 3 of them will be here next year. Asante will be for sure. No way both of the other guys are back.

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I think Robinson, Turner, Jerry, Franks and Mike Johnson are cut next year. Resign Willy Mo, Baker, McClain, Walker, Palmer, Reynolds, Owens and maybe Davis. Grimes might be a causality, unless we can sign him for around the 7.5 to 8 mill area. Trade out of the first round for an extra second and low 3rd. Gives 2 seconds, 2 thirds, 2 fourths, fifth, sixth, and 2 sevenths... Can really do some damage in the draft.

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I predict Dunta's not going to be here next year. Regardless of his solid season, they can't afford to pay that contract, and I don't know that'll he'll agree to another pay cut next year, especially the kind the Falcons would ask him to take.

Doesn't mean Grimes will be back either. The Falcons might just roll with Samuel, McClain, Owens, Franks, and look for a CB in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

If the Falcons were to cut Dunta and his scheduled $10.4 million cap hit for 2013, then his "dead money" remaining cap hit would be $5,800,000 for 2013, giving a net cap savings of $4,600,000.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/dunta-robinson/

I would bet that the Falcons will not take on Turner and his scheduled $8 million cap hit for 2013. If the Falcons cut Turner, then his "dead money" remaining cap hit would be $2,500,000 for 2013 for a net cap savings of $5,500,000.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/michael-turner/

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If the Falcons were to cut Dunta and his scheduled $10.4 million cap hit for 2013, then his "dead money" remaining cap hit would be $5,800,000 for 2013, giving a net cap savings of $4,600,000.

http://www.spotrac.c...dunta-robinson/

I would bet that the Falcons will not take on Turner and his scheduled $8 million cap hit for 2013. If the Falcons cut Turner, then his "dead money" remaining cap hit would be $2,500,000 for 2013 for a net cap savings of $5,500,000.

http://www.spotrac.c...michael-turner/

I believe Sportrac is mistaken in prorating that 2010 signing bonus. I think the Falcons took that entire hit in 2010 during the uncapped year.

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If the Falcons were to cut Dunta and his scheduled $10.4 million cap hit for 2013, then his "dead money" remaining cap hit would be $5,800,000 for 2013, giving a net cap savings of $4,600,000.

http://www.spotrac.c...dunta-robinson/

I would bet that the Falcons will not take on Turner and his scheduled $8 million cap hit for 2013. If the Falcons cut Turner, then his "dead money" remaining cap hit would be $2,500,000 for 2013 for a net cap savings of $5,500,000.

http://www.spotrac.c...michael-turner/

The spotrac didn't change cap numbers after restructuring. Falcons can cut Dunta next year with out much Cap hit as they changed the terms and Guaranteed the whole 2012 portion.

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The spotrac didn't change cap numbers after restructuring. Falcons can cut Dunta next year with out much Cap hit as they changed the terms and Guaranteed the whole 2012 portion.

I'm pretty sure that Spotrac did change its numbers to reflect Dunta's restructured contract. He restructured in 2011, and received a restructuring bonus of $5 million, which Spotrac has included in the Misc. Bonus column at a prorated $1m per year amount for years (2011- 2015) . Notice that the original prorated signing bonus of $1.4 million per year ends in 2014, not in 2015, because the original contract ended in 2014. His restructured contract added another year for 2015, which Spotrac has included.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/dunta-robinson/

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According to Spotrac, that is true. Dunta will count $10.4 million against the 2013 cap, whereas Ryan might count only $10 million. However, Yasinskas published an earlier article where he had Ryan's cap hit at $12 million for 2013. I think the difference between PY and Spotrac might be due to an incentive clause, that may or may not be likely to be earned in Ryan's contract. Based an earlier topic thread of mine:

Cap-hits scheduled for 2013 for each Falcons player, whose current contract extends into the 2013 season. Spotrac's scheduled 2013 cap charges for each player indicated below include base salary and various bonuses, but might NOT include "likely to be earned incentives", which are also part of a player's cap charge.

Dunta Robinson ….$10,400,000

Matt Ryan.................10,000,000 (assuming this is the correct amount, not $12,000,000 per PY)

Roddy White…...........9,325,000

Michael Turner...........8,000,000

Justin Blalock.............7,660,000

Tyson Clabo................6,800,000

John Abraham…..........6,156,000

Asante Samuel.............5,500,000

Jonathan Babineaux.....4,700,000

Ray Edwards….......... 4,650,000 ( Dead money amount for 2013. Originally scheduled for a $7,050,000 2013 cap hit before being cut)

Julio Jones …...............4,413,750

Stephen Nicholas..........3,500,000

Kroy Biermann..............3,433,333

Thomas DeCoud …......2,500,000

Harry Douglas...............2,500,000

Matt Bryant....................2,400,000

Sean Weatherspoon......2,348,750

Peria Jerry......................2,010,000

Jason Snelling................1,158,333

Peter Konz.........................815,590

Corey Peters ................ 766,750 (Peters does have a $738,000 possible 2013 escalator clause, which would then make his cap hit $1,504,750)

Akeem Dent.......................760,625

Mike Johnson …................735,500

Joe Hawley.........................695,750

Dominique Franks..............630,000

Lamar Holmes....................613,400

Jacquizz Rodgers................602,750

Cliff Matthews.....................585,500

Matt Bosher.........................578,950

Terrence Johnson................555,000

Jonathan Massaquoi............522,215

Charles Mitchell...................505,500

Travian Robertson...............491,474

Dominique Davis..................480,000

Robert James.......................480,000

Kevin Cone..........................480,000

Bradie Ewing (IR) ................451,000

Total (36 signed players with 2013 contracts)...$108,205,170

The following players contracts expire at the end of the 2012 season. Therefore, they will become free agents in 2013. Their respective 2012 base salary and cap-hit are provided as a point of reference.

Brent Grimes (IR)...$10,281,000....$10,281,000

Tony Gonzalez............3,900,000.......5,900,000

Sam Baker …..............1,183,750.......3,760,000

Will Svitek. (IR)............1,751,000.......1,751,000

Vance Walker (RFA)....1,260,000.......1,260,000

Todd McClure..................925,000.........990,000

Mike Peterson..................925,000.........990,000

William Moore..................565,000.....….840,000

Luke McCown..................825,000..........825,000

Chris Owens.....................565,000.........737,175

Lousaka Polite..................700,000.........700,000

Lawrence Sidbury.............565,000.........676,225

Chris Hope........................925,000.........640,000

Garrett Reynolds...............565,000.........610,150

Antone Smith.(RFA)..........540,000.........540,000

Michael Palmer (RFA).......540,000.........540,000

Robert McClain (RFA)..... 540,000..........540,000

Tommy Gallarda (RFA).....390,000......... 390,000

Drew Davis (RFA).............390,000..........390,000

Clabo's hit is huge. I would have never thought that. Turner is not going to be back at that kind of money, and something tells me that Dunta is going to have to restructure again.

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I'm pretty sure that Spotrac did change its numbers to reflect Dunta's restructured contract. He restructured in 2011, and received a restructuring bonus of $5 million, which Spotrac has included in the Misc. Bonus column at a prorated $1m per year amount for years (2011- 2015) . Notice that the original prorated signing bonus of $1.4 million per year ends in 2014, not in 2015, because the original contract ended in 2014. His restructured contract added another year for 2015, which Spotrac has included.

http://www.spotrac.c...dunta-robinson/

Yeah they changed the salaries, those are accurate. I just think the part where they prorated the signing bonus is in error.

I mean, I can find a 100 different links that indicate that, but I don't want to have too much confidence in them because they all originated with DLed.

Thus, I use the term "I think".

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Clabo's hit is huge. I would have never thought that. Turner is not going to be back at that kind of money, and something tells me that Dunta is going to have to restructure again.

Sportstrac's numbers on Clabo don't quite add up. They are showing him with 28.5 mil in salary and bonuses, but his contract was only 25 mil. So that might not be right.

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