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Cliff Avril is the best pass rusher available are we talking about the same guy?

http://www.nfl.com/player/cliffavril/1330/profile

So you don't think if someone is good in their first year that there is no opportunity for growth and developement?

William Moore

Spoon

DeCoud

Just to name a few!

We're talking about the same guy, I just don't buy into only looking at sacks when it comes to pressure.

Ray Edwards was one of the most productive pass rushers in the NFL in 2010. We brought him here and he couldn't do anything. Why? Because Kevin Williams and Jared Allen were both in their primes and Edwards was the lesser of a few evils, so teams paid less attention to him. Cliff Avril has Suh & Fairley scaring the **** out of teams and he still only managed a measly 10 sacks on 391 pass rushes.

The best pass rusher coming out in free agency is technically Anthony Spencer, who would be perfect for Nolan if he wants to move to a more true 3-4 than the hybrid we've been using. Aside from him, both Michael Bennett and William Hayes are solid young options at 4-3 DE. Avril is going to end up getting overpaid by some foolish team that thinks that he brings a pass rush presence all by himself. He doesn't.

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Like the proposed trade. That's a win for Atlanta IMO.

Not a big fan of spending big money on Avril. Definitely the biggest position of need but I don't see him as a game changer.

Love both Fluker and Warford and with the trade, you have essentially used our first round pick to select the right side of our line for the next 10 yrs. BUT, if you handed me 3 picks in this years 2nd round I would not be selecting 3 offensive players. In fact, I might select all D. Moreover, I'm not a fan of Fauria as the Gonzo replacement and certainly not in the 2nd rd.

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We're talking about the same guy, I just don't buy into only looking at sacks when it comes to pressure.

Ray Edwards was one of the most productive pass rushers in the NFL in 2010. We brought him here and he couldn't do anything. Why? Because Kevin Williams and Jared Allen were both in their primes and Edwards was the lesser of a few evils, so teams paid less attention to him. Cliff Avril has Suh & Fairley scaring the **** out of teams and he still only managed a measly 10 sacks on 391 pass rushes.

The best pass rusher coming out in free agency is technically Anthony Spencer, who would be perfect for Nolan if he wants to move to a more true 3-4 than the hybrid we've been using. Aside from him, both Michael Bennett and William Hayes are solid young options at 4-3 DE. Avril is going to end up getting overpaid by some foolish team that thinks that he brings a pass rush presence all by himself. He doesn't.

So why can't one make the same assumption about Spencer, Bennett and Hayes? Spencer still plays with the best pass rusher in the game in Ware correct, not to mention alot of his success really just happen this year (no thanks to Ryan's defensive schemes)? And obviously the Bucs have one of the best dlines in the league, so why are they not benefiting from the other talent.

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2013 Offseason

Players Signed

DE Cliff Avril Signed a six-year, $52.742 million contract. The deal included a $10 million signing bonus. 2013: $615,000, 2014: $2.385 million (+ $5 million option bonus), 2015: $7.5 million, 2016-2017: $8 million, 2018: $8.5 million (Option Year), 2019: Free Agent

http://www.nfl.com/p...il/1330/profile

FB Greg Jones Sign a two-year, $1.7 million contract. The deal contains $250,000 in bonus money. 2013: $700,000, 2014: $750,000, 2015: Free Agent

http://www.nfl.com/p...2506085/profile

Atlanta traded its first-round selections (#32 overall) in 2013 to Miami to receive both Miami's second-round selection (#43 and #56 overall) in 2013

Players not resigned/cut/retired

RB Michael Turner (cut)

TE Tony Gonzalez (retire)

OC Todd McClure (retire)

CB Chris Owens

CB Brent Grimes

OLB Robert James

OLB Mike Peterson

OT Will Svitek

DE Lawrence Sidbury

OG/T Michael Johnson

FB Bradie Ewing (cut)

Players resigned/restructured

CB Dunta Robinson

OT Sam Baker (1 year)

DT Vance Walker

SS William Moore

SS Chris Hope

TE Michael Palmer

2013 Draft

2nd Round**OT DJ Fluker, Alabama

Height: 6-6 | Weight: 335 | Projected 40 Time: 5.32

http://www.cbssports...64143/dj-fluker

http://www.rolltide....luker_dj00.html

2nd Round**OG Larry Warford, Kentucky

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 343| Projected 40 Time: 5.31

http://www.cbssports...7/larry-warford

http://www.ukathleti...rd_larry00.html

2nd Round TE Joseph Fauria, UCLA

Height: 6-7 | Weight: 255| Projected 40 Time: 4.82

http://www.cbssports...6/joseph-fauria

http://www.cfbstats....7732/index.html

3rd Round CB Leon McFadden, San Diego State University

Height: 5-10 | Weight: 190| Projected 40 Time: 4.49

http://www.nfldrafts...=2013&genpos=CB

http://www.cfbstats....5887/index.html

3rd Round ***OLB/ILB Gerald Hodges, Penn State

Height: 6-2 | Weight: 238| Projected 40 Time: 4.75

http://www.cbssports...3/gerald-hodges

http://www.cfbstats....5713/index.html

4th Round OLB Sio Moore, Connecticut

Height: 6-1 | Weight: 230| Projected 40 Time: 4.63

http://www.cbssports...95590/sio-moore

http://www.cfbstats....6056/index.html

5th Round RB Zac Stacy, Vanderbilt

Height: 5-9 | Weight: 210| Projected 40 Time: 4.49

http://www.cbssports...64982/zac-stacy

http://www.cfbstats....6824/index.html

6th Round SS Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International

Height: 6-0 | Weight: 210| Projected 40 Time: 4.56

http://www.cbssports...onathan-cyprien

http://www.cbssports...onathan-cyprien

7th Round DT Rob Lohr, Vanderbilt

Height: 6-4 | Weight: 290| Projected 40 Time: 4.88

http://www.nfldrafts...r=2013&genpos=D

http://www.cfbstats....9156/index.html

UDFA

C Ivory Wade, Baylor

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 310| Projected 40 Time: 5.27

http://www.cbssports...4315/ivory-wade

WR/KR Reggie Dunn, Utah

Height: 5-11 | Weight: 172| Projected 40 Time: 4.38

http://www.nfldrafts...=2013&genpos=WR

http://www.cfbstats....4676/index.html

K Zach Brown, Portland St

Height: 6-1 | Weight: 206| Projected 40 Time: 4.79

http://www.nfldrafts...r=2013&genpos=K

http://espn.go.com/c...928/zach-brown

OLB Craig Wilkins, Old Dominion

Height: 6-0 | Weight: 230| Projected 40 Time: 4.49

http://www.nfldrafts...2013&genpos=OLB

http://espn.go.com/c...9/craig-wilkins

Offensive Depth Chart

Quarterback Matt Ryan, Dominique Davis

Wide Receiver X Julio Jones, Reggie Dunn

Wide Receiver Z Roddy White, Harry Douglas, DJ Davis

Running Back Jacquizz Rodgers, Jason Snelling, Zac Stacy

Fullback Greg Jones

Tight End Joseph Fauria, Michael Palmer

Left Offensive Tackle Sam Baker, Lamar Holmes

Left Offensive Guard Justin Blalock, Ivory Wade

Center Peter Konz, Joe Hawley

Right Offensive Guard Larry Warford, Joe Hawley

Right Offensive Tackle Tyson Clabo, DJ Fluker

Defensive Depth Chart

Left Defensive End Cliff Avril, Jonathan Massaquoi

Left Defensive Tackle Corey Peters, Peria Jerry, Travian Robertson

Right Defensive Tackle Jonathan Babineaux, Vance Walker, Rob Lohr

Right Defensive End John Abraham, Dwight, Kroy Biermann,

Weak-side Linebacker Sean Weatherspoon, Sio Moore

Middle Linebacker Akeem Dent, Gerald Hodges

Strong-side Linebacker Stephen Nicholas, Craig Wilkins

Left Cornerback Asante Samuels, Leon McFadden

Right Cornerback Dunta Robinson, Robert McClain

Strong Safety William Moore, Johnathan Cyprien

Free Safety Thomas DeCoud, Charles Mitchell

Special Teams Depth Chart

Kicker (FG) K Matt Byrant, Zach Brown

Punter Matt Bosher

Kicker (KO) Matt Bosher

Long Snapper Josh Harris

Kick Returner Reggie Dunn

Punt Returner Reggie Dunn

Holder Matt Bosher

Like the Sio Moore pick and I heard he may run closer to a 4.58 and is great in pass coverage on TE;s. Meet Nicholas' heir.....and I am really intrigued by Kasa out of Colorado...former DE now Tight End. Might be the next Gronk so I hope we spend a 4th or 5th on him. Dunn is too light in the pants to make it plus I expect Davis or Cone to shine as Julio's backup. Avril is gonna cost us and I don't know that Jacksonville is gonna cut Jones. MJD might lose it if they do....

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So why can't one make the same assumption about Spencer, Bennett and Hayes? Spencer still plays with the best pass rusher in the game in Ware correct, not to mention alot of his success really just happen this year (no thanks to Ryan's defensive schemes)? And obviously the Bucs have one of the best dlines in the league, so why are they not benefiting from the other talent.

Ware wasn't overly productive this year and Spencer still thrived despite his starting (and second string) nose tackle both getting hurt. Bennett only has McCoy on the inside and not a whole lot of other talent to work with. Hayes might fall into that category, but Spencer and Bennett most definitely do not, and even if you don't buy into the idea that Hayes is a pass rush threat by himself, realize that he is still a more productive pass rusher than Cliff Avril. This past season, Hayes generated QB pressure on 9.1% of the snaps he was rushing the passer for while Avril did so on a mere 7.4% of snaps he was rushing the passer for.

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Ware wasn't overly productive this year and Spencer still thrived despite his starting (and second string) nose tackle both getting hurt. Bennett only has McCoy on the inside and not a whole lot of other talent to work with. Hayes might fall into that category, but Spencer and Bennett most definitely do not, and even if you don't buy into the idea that Hayes is a pass rush threat by himself, realize that he is still a more productive pass rusher than Cliff Avril. This past season, Hayes generated QB pressure on 9.1% of the snaps he was rushing the passer for while Avril did so on a mere 7.4% of snaps he was rushing the passer for.

Hayes QB pressure is skewed because of the number of snaps he gets almost 300 less snap, the moment he turns to a full time start this number will definitely take a dip (you and I both know that). Even if Ware wasn't as product teams are still as you would scare the s#!t out of him and scheme for him.

Bennett has Claiborne who did not play this year but on the roster and the linebackers who the Bucs use far more in the pass rush than the lions. Not mention both Bennett and Spencer has only had one year of real production which just so happen to be a contract year. Thanks but no thanks!!!!

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Hayes QB pressure is skewed because of the number of snaps he gets almost 300 less snap, the moment he turns to a full time start this number will definitely take a dip (you and I both know that). Even if Ware wasn't as product teams are still as you would scare the s#!t out of him and scheme for him.

Bennett has Claiborne who did not play this year but on the roster and the linebackers who the Bucs use far more in the pass rush than the lions. Not mention both Bennett and Spencer has only had one year of real production which just so happen to be a contract year. Thanks but no thanks!!!!

For what it's worth, I don't want us to target an edge rusher in free agency at all, I'm just trying to say that even if we do, Avril shouldn't even be on our radar. I think we target DT in free agency, DT in the draft. Grab Desmond Bryant, Sammie Hill or Jason Jones and then draft Okafor at 30

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