PokerSteve Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Man it's been a while since you and I agreed on something, but we are right there on this one.And yet you don't recognize this as a serious warning sign you're on the wrong path???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Ok, I still have two questions.1. Can you give me a specific game?2. Can you give me a specific game where you feel Mike Smith's conservatism costs the Falcons the game? And if so, how.I really can only think of one game where I ever thought he made a conservative call that hurt the Falcons, and that was 3 years ago against the Pats when he punted from their 40 yard line down 16-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I look at the opponent, the outcome and how it got there. And in the heat of the battle, against great teams, he chokes up, afraid to put in the killshot, and thats not what the elite, sb teams do. Those coaches come in ready to take the life out of the game as quick as possible. Smith plays like he wants the ball with 3 minutes left every week and wants ryan to carry him to the podium with a giant woody for himself and his preparation.and when the opposite happens, its always the execution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twright21 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 If we want to be a dominant team, we have to be dominant up front on both sides of the ball. That's how you embarrass people. We are neither of those things. This forces us to be more about scheme. This explains the new coordinators. The others had maxxed their ceilings with this roster. We couldn't truly overhaul our lines this year so we opted for overhauling schemes. As we build the inside to match our skill guys, I can see us becoming more dominant. Will that help us this year? Not really. Can we still make a run? Absolutely. All of our competitors have flaws as well. They have areas of greater strength than us, but they have areas of greater weakness than us as well. We are evenly built. In the end, it will come down to match ups and the individual ebb and flow of each game. For some to suggest Smitty needs to be gone is a bit far fetched at this point. We haven't plateaued as a franchise yet. I still see us ascending. You don't drop the captain of an ascending ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 And yet you don't recognize this as a serious warning sign you're on the wrong path???? No, but when I agree with you I realize that I need to go to the Doctor and get my Zoloft dosage increased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 D*mn another opinion of yours I completely agree with. I might need to rethink my feelings on this.Lol swift makes good points when he's not talking about Ryan. People just don't want to hear it. Our team is soft. It's part of that "Falcons Filter" if you want to keep it real. Asante never passes the Falcons Filter if he was in the draft. He passes the Pats filter and TD liked him, that's how he got here. But that's part of the problem. We don't draft violent players who will beat a player's arse that lines up across from him. Most times, those players have a red flag or two. Navorro Bowman. Carlos Dunlap. Greg Hardy. Vontaze Burfict. We need some borderline killers on this team. Look at the impact Asante had in just 14 weeks. He's got that kind of attitude. WillMo does. Nobody else does. Julio does but it's hard to do anything with it from WR position. It's mostly gotta be a defensive guy or the QB. That's the problem after Smitty. Our players aren't vicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 I look at the opponent, the outcome and how it got there. And in the heat of the battle, against great teams, he chokes up, afraid to put in the killshot, and thats not what the elite, sb teams do. Cool. Give me an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Wrong. One Moron Moment hardly changes the fact Mike Smith is ultra-conservative in his philosophy of football.going for it on 4th and short while in FG rang in the playoffs is "ultra conservative"?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 come out in three ******** wide and four wide spread the ball, get turner out of the backfield and open this **** upconservative is turner and two wide, not only is it conservative, its three years worth of not working, and its predictable. Its surrendering to punts and we do this week in and out with the lead and with the game in reach. Those are the wasted conservative moments when we need to put the hit in for the kill shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Mike Smith didn't do anything conservative in any of those playoff games. The Falcons just got beat.yep. We can't take back the gap between Clabo and Dahl against Arizona. Brooking's terrible coverage. We were very aggressive vs Green Bay. The Packers didn't punt until the 4th quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 come out in three ******** wide and four wide spread the ball, get turner out of the backfield and open this **** upconservative is turner and two wide, not only is it conservative, its three years worth of not working, and its predictable. Its surrendering to punts and we do this week in and out with the lead and with the game in reach. Those are the wasted conservative moments when we need to put the hit in for the kill shotThe Falcons are the best team in the NFL over the last 5 years in holding a half time lead.Can anyone give me an example of a game we lost because you thought Mike Smith was too conservative? Just wanting one example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 if we want to be the best atlanta falcons, it looks like playing with a lead, which means 3 wide spread with rogers, then our defense plays to its strong suit, which is picks and turnovers while the other is catching up or trying tooIf you want us to look like we did this week, try smitty ball ground n pound, which then lets the other teams do what they want to do, run, and do what we cannot stop as well, rush defense, The only answer is aggressive outscore then win the turnover battlethose games were our gems, the smitty ball ones we lost and were terrible.you do the mathcommon senseyou cant force what you want, the great coaches scheme to the talent level of the teamsmitty schemes to what he wants to dowrong way buckoadapt or move over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymadd Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Again the only problem with Smitty is that from my perspective on the outside looking in he is very loyal and sometimes he needs to let that go and make some changes before it is too late. For example the 49ers coach making a change at qb because he knew that Kapernick would probably give his team a better chance to win in the playoffs. Or the ravens coach making a change at OC before it gets too late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Not being dominant = conservative on these boards.Too much madden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 pretty much every game we lost, the saints game turner two carries after rushing 13 times for 15 yds and then we cant get the td from a yd out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Smitty sitting on a lead has never cost us a game. What's our record when leading at half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Again the only problem with Smitty is that from my perspective on the outside looking in he is very loyal and sometimes he needs to let that go and make some changes before it is too late. For example the 49ers coach making a change at qb because he knew that Kapernick would probably give his team a better chance to win in the playoffs. Or the ravens coach making a change at OC before it gets too lateMaybe. I think the bigger problem is the Falcons just have really terrible depth at some positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Not being able to compete against elite = conservative we have more talent RODERICK COLEMAN COULD COACH THIS TEAM TO 11-5 every yearthe coach we need to scheme us over the hump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Smitty sitting on a lead has never cost us a game. What's our record when leading at half?It's forty something and 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Not being dominant = conservative on these boards.Too much madden.100% correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't think he is conservative but I think Koetter's game plan when the Falcons were down by multiple scores and less than 5 min was terribly conservative. I hate those little chip shot 5yd passes when sometimes they need to just go for those low percentage bombs. That to me was a go big or go home moment. So the Falcons just went home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 pretty much every game we lost, the saints game turner two carries after rushing 13 times for 15 yds and then we cant get the td from a yd outSo you think the Falcons should have just run the ball zero times in that game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twright21 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Again the only problem with Smitty is that from my perspective on the outside looking in he is very loyal and sometimes he needs to let that go and make some changes before it is too late. For example the 49ers coach making a change at qb because he knew that Kapernick would probably give his team a better chance to win in the playoffs. Or the ravens coach making a change at OC before it gets too lateI see that to a point but I see us trying to slowly transition to Rogers so as not to lose Turner this season because there will come a time when we will need him. Harbaugh has more than likely lost Smith due to how that all went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 we have more talent than anyonethe talent wins us the games we do, the coaching loses us the tough games, the ones we could win if we were clued inI promise you could put ryan out there with Gonzo, Roddy and Julio and Rogers all year and let him run no huddle for 16 games, and we would be where we are right now, i actually believe we would have beat the saints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 IMO Peyton what you're asking for in terms of specific games and instances is hard to produce...because there could be other explanations for what happened on the field.For me it reminds me of that answer some Supreme Court Justice had when someone asked him to give a specific definition of pornography.The judge answered "I can't give you a specific definition, but I know it when I see it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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