Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Please somebody, anybody, explain to me where this complaint that I see over and over again that Mike Smith is "conservative".Please give me specifics, because I have no clue what any of you are talking about.Help me understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The only thing I can think of is his propensity to give Turner carries, sticking to the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 OK, NO PROBLEMLets throw out all the bs games where we are far favorites, throw out all the games where we are trailing, throw out all the calls that are no huddle with Ryan at the wheel, and then watch what the team does with a lead, against an elite team, or in the clutch.If you can honestly do that, and try hard at doing it honestly, all youll have is turner runs, short pass, two wide sets and safe calls. Pair that with terrible clock management, challenging unchallengeable plays, and wasting timeouts, with going for it when we shouldn't, not going when we should, punting when we need to go, and kicking a luckstroke fg in an obvious punt situation, and you will see what i watch.THanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twright21 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 He favors smaller government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkOffFalcohol Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Because he doesn't go for it on 4th and long and they dont realize the difficult decisions that a head coach has to make in-game. Also, Mike Smith is actually pretty ballsy, but "fans" don't see that, they just say what other people say because they don't have an opinion themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Remember that change in philosophy he was talking about at the end of last year. It seems to be a change from a methodical, poses the ball, milk the clock, run the ball type offense to a more pass oriented offense. The conservatism comes in once we have any kind of lead. He starts trying to milk the clock too early, lets his foot of the pedal. He doesnt seem to have a killer instinct or desire to embarrass teams the way other coaches do. There is a reason all of our games are so close. Mike Smiths conservative attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 OK, NO PROBLEMLets throw out all the bs games where we are far favorites, throw out all the games where we are trailing, throw out all the calls that are no huddle with Ryan at the wheel, and then watch what the team does with a lead, against an elite team, or in the clutch.If you can honestly do that, and try hard at doing it honestly, all youll have is turner runs, short pass, two wide sets and safe calls. Pair that with terrible clock management, challenging unchallengeable plays, and wasting timeouts, with going for it when we shouldn't, not going when we should, punting when we need to go, and kicking a luckstroke fg in an obvious punt situation, and you will see what i watch.THanks,Wouldn't going for that long FG be the opposite of conservative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 For the most obvious answers, look at the three playoff loses and all big games, like this one coming up against the elite. Come out scared, play scared, remain scared, and pray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 OK, NO PROBLEMLets throw out all the bs games where we are far favorites, throw out all the games where we are trailing, throw out all the calls that are no huddle with Ryan at the wheel, and then watch what the team does with a lead, against an elite team, or in the clutch.If you can honestly do that, and try hard at doing it honestly, all youll have is turner runs, short pass, two wide sets and safe calls. Pair that with terrible clock management, challenging unchallengeable plays, and wasting timeouts, with going for it when we shouldn't, not going when we should, punting when we need to go, and kicking a luckstroke fg in an obvious punt situation, and you will see what i watch.THanks,Most of what you listed there is just mistakes, it's not being conservative.If the complaint is about the way the Falcons play with a lead, then it's a dumb complaint. The Falcons are the best in the NFL at holding a lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daybumper Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 it's the biggest misconception on this message board Mike Smith is the same head coach that went for it on 4th and 1 on his 30 in overtime yet he is labeled conservative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Remember that change in philosophy he was talking about at the end of last year. It seems to be a change from a methodical, poses the ball, milk the clock, run the ball type offense to a more pass oriented offense. The conservatism comes in once we have any kind of lead. He starts trying to milk the clock too early, lets his foot of the pedal. He doesnt seem to have a killer instinct or desire to embarrass teams the way other coaches do. There is a reason all of our games are so close. Mike Smiths conservative attitude.I don't buy that at all. I think we've had so many close games this year because the offense just hasn't been able to score as many TDs as they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cent Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 uhhh he is conserving the better back for some time in the future. Ha ha ha ha ...Mike Smith is a bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 it's the biggest misconception on this message boardMike Smith is the same head coach that went for it on 4th and 1 on his 30 in overtimeyet he is labeled conservativeMan it's been a while since you and I agreed on something, but we are right there on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twright21 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Most of what you listed there is just mistakes, it's not being conservative.If the complaint is about the way the Falcons play with a lead, then it's a dumb complaint. The Falcons are the best in the NFL at holding a lead.Therein lies the issue for many. It's not that we lose. It's that we don't throttle teams, and part of that has to do with how we hold leads or how we approach "lesser" teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 For the most obvious answers, look at the three playoff loses and all big games, like this one coming up against the elite. Come out scared, play scared, remain scared, and prayMike Smith didn't do anything conservative in any of those playoff games. The Falcons just got beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Therein lies the issue for many. It's not that we lose. It's that we don't throttle teams, and part of that has to do with how we hold leads or how we approach "lesser" teams.This is the first year we are struggling with lesser teams. We've normally taken them down hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Wouldn't going for that long FG be the opposite of conservative?No its ********, If we miss they have ten yds for a win, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 it's the biggest misconception on this message boardMike Smith is the same head coach that went for it on 4th and 1 on his 30 in overtimeyet he is labeled conservativearrogant and retardedly misinformed and misteps more than any coach in the league. Emotions guide him, not facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 No its ********, If we miss they have ten yds for a win,But still, not conservative, even though you're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 No its ********, If we miss they have ten yds for a win,We did miss, they got more than 10 yards, and they didn't win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli96 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Remember that change in philosophy he was talking about at the end of last year. It seems to be a change from a methodical, poses the ball, milk the clock, run the ball type offense to a more pass oriented offense. The conservatism comes in once we have any kind of lead. He starts trying to milk the clock too early, lets his foot of the pedal. He doesnt seem to have a killer instinct or desire to embarrass teams the way other coaches do. There is a reason all of our games are so close. Mike Smiths conservative attitude.Nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 arrogant and retardedly misinformed and misteps more than any coach in the league. Emotions guide him, not factsHe makes some mistakes but I think there is a bit of exaggeration going on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twright21 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 This is the first year we are struggling with lesser teams. We've normally taken them down hard.That has bred the misconception that we are a pushover type team. I'd argue for our play making us consistent. We find ways to win where the other "elite" teams have not, hence us being 11-2 and the "elite" teams not being 11-2. Yesterday was the stinker of the bunch,and my concern isn't Smitty, yet. I just don't like how our offense is trending lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcondiehardsince 88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 here is the best proof of all................Before half, when we were 3rd down, 16 secs left, ryan threw a pass to the 6 or so yd line and he was letting the clock tick down to kick a fg.Someone had to tell him, hey dumb Fluck, call a time out so we can go after the end zone , oh ****, Timeout. he was so focused on just getting a fg, that he forgot to realize a td was right there.Thats conservativegoing for the td thats elite and aggressive and confident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't buy that at all. I think we've had so many close games this year because the offense just hasn't been able to score as many TDs as they should.I don't care if you buy it or not. IT IS the reason we play so many close games and the reason Ryan has so many come from behind victories. We get a lead and he clams up, tries not to lose, Plays to milk the clock. Milking the clock is ok, but not starting in the late second early third quarter like he does sometimes. Its his philosophy, ball control. No matter how much he might want to change that, its who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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