Falcanuck Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I sat in the south endzone so i had a really good look at our line and backs. I was slighlty dissapointed in a few of Turners runs, there was one toss where he missed a hole and followed his blockers. Then there was another run where he should have just went straight instead of trying to spin out of a tackle. Saying that he was still effective in other runs. Our line still isnt blocking great and id much rather have Quizz running tosses and stretch runs. The one thing that concerns me is that while Quizz was better running outside, teams will gameplan for him from here on out. I also saw Rogers get hit behind our line and Im worried that teams will be waiting on him.We're growing our 1-2 punch in the backfield.Good post. Honestly. And you're right, teams are going to start game planning for Quizz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brasky Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Good post. Honestly. And you're right, teams are going to start game planning for Quizz.And when they do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Guess we'll all find out.Long-term is Atlanta shaping up to be an offense like New Orleans and Green Bay. Screens, toss, stretch...The question of whether or not our new OC will be able to have a running offense like he did with MJD in JAX is whether or not our OL gets going and/or Atlanta gets a true complete package RB like that.Let's face it, Quizz isn't gonna be that guy. Not an MJD, anyway...BUT he holds promise of the potential to be a Darren Sproles, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I have nothing bu respect and thanks for Turner, who came in here and earned every penny of what he has been paid. He took the pressure off Matt when he was very young and learning to play in the NFL, and was a primary reason we've had nothing but winning seasons since he got here.Having said that, it's time to move on. Turner has years of productivity left in him. I have no doubt of that. He just isn't going to have it here. Our offense isn't suited to him at all. I look forward to him scoring another TD and setting the team record. I look forward to him hopefully standing on that podium along with Matt and Tony and the guys holding up that Lombardi trophy in February. Then, I'll wish him well with whichever team he's playing for next year, because I don't see any scenario where he'll be wearing a Falcons uni in 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbaz Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 In order for us to keep Coach Kutty on this team count on TD to make some major moves to bring in a better run-blocking O-line to improve this running game. Whether it's through the draft or FA, our O-line will be improved. I honestly think we're only 1 or 2 O-linemen away from having a solid(not great) line. Konz, Clabo, Reynolds and even sometimes Baker are servicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) In order for us to keep Coach Kutty on this team count on TD to make some major moves to bring in a better run-blocking O-line to improve this running game. Whether it's through the draft or FA, our O-line will be improved. I honestly think we're only 1 or 2 O-linemen away from having a solid(not great) line. Konz, Clabo, Reynolds and even sometimes Baker are servicable.Baker has improved a bit in pass protection.A lot of the protection issues have been mental errors. Sometimes, McClure gets blown up or a guy is unaccounted for or just the wrong guy is blocked; if someone free has to come free anyway.The run blocking side, Blalock is probably here for life. I believe Konz moves to C and Atlanta gets another RG at least. Not sure, but IIRC Konz was graded out to project better as a C than OG. I'm thinking C/RG/RT is all up in the air. Baker may have won time for now. Atlanta does have the young Holmes to groom for now. Edited November 26, 2012 by slimjim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 On Turner's TD run who set the whole thing up with a catch and run of 20 plus yards? Quizz did. I think Snelling and Quizz should get more touches than Turner. Fact is they have earned it. Although Turner did a better job catching the ball against the Bucs. We still need Turner. But we don't need him to be a big part of the offense. Quizz needs a bigger role than him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I sat in the south endzone so i had a really good look at our line and backs. I was slighlty dissapointed in a few of Turners runs, there was one toss where he missed a hole and followed his blockers. Then there was another run where he should have just went straight instead of trying to spin out of a tackle. Saying that he was still effective in other runs. Our line still isnt blocking great and id much rather have Quizz running tosses and stretch runs. The one thing that concerns me is that while Quizz was better running outside, teams will gameplan for him from here on out. I also saw Rogers get hit behind our line and Im worried that teams will be waiting on him.We're growing our 1-2 punch in the backfield.I was pissed at Ryan for checking into a stretch run with Turner in there. Have to know who is on the field. But he did score on a toss. Blocking wasn't that great on the play besides Roddy but good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 In order for us to keep Coach Kutty on this team count on TD to make some major moves to bring in a better run-blocking O-line to improve this running game. Whether it's through the draft or FA, our O-line will be improved. I honestly think we're only 1 or 2 O-linemen away from having a solid(not great) line. Konz, Clabo, Reynolds and even sometimes Baker are servicable.Konz would be a lot better at Center. Move Konz to center and draft a earth moving OG. Someone that is strong as an ox. Konz doesn't have the strength to play guard at the NFL level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 FFS1970, my friend - whereever you are at - as I stated in offseason - Michael Turner was going to hit the "age 30" wall this year.He is, D-O-N-E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) Guess we'll all find out.Long-term is Atlanta shaping up to be an offense like New Orleans and Green Bay. Screens, toss, stretch...The question of whether or not our new OC will be able to have a running offense like he did with MJD in JAX is whether or not our OL gets going and/or Atlanta gets a true complete package RB like that.Let's face it, Quizz isn't gonna be that guy. Not an MJD, anyway...BUT he holds promise of the potential to be a Darren Sproles, IMO.That just isn't true guy. I will take Smiths opinion over yours any day, and he has already made the statement that he feels like Quiz is a three down back and not a change of pace guy. To say he isn't going to be an MJD isn't a very bold statement and not fair. MJDs just dont fall off of trees. Edited November 26, 2012 by Negatron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson's Finest Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I agree with most if you that Quizz needs to be the starter. Offense looks completely different when he's in as opposed to the opposition keying in on Turner. Just one thing on Turner though, on his touchdown run, there was some aggressiveness in that run regardless of how big that hole was (great blocks by Julio and Roddy). I don't see why he can't run with that same aggressiveness whenever he's got the ball. I'd rather him knock players forward and gain a couple yards than tippy toe and get stopped in the backfield or stood up for no gain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 That just isn't true guy. I will take Smiths opinion over yours any day, and he has already made the statement that he feels like Quiz is a three down back and not a change of pace guy. To say he isn't going to be an MJD isn't a very bold statement and not fair. MJDs just dont fall off of trees.You missed my point. Quizz may be given the shot, but he's currently USED AS = change of pace back.There isn't focus on who your RB is, since the running game isn't this team's priority anymore. There is simply a pass-first offense with week to week and situational packages that either include your obvious rushing formation or designs for pass-first that include more of Snelling and Quizz as options.Atlanta's offense has changed and it's strengths were played to against Tampa.Stating that Quizz is going to be more like Daren Sproles than MJD is actually VERY accurate. I hope Quizz can at least be like Sproles! Geez, it'd be the perfect fit for this now pass-first team.Atlanta is trying to become like the Saints and Packers offensively, yet their ideal of still being able to run the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 On Turner's TD run who set the whole thing up with a catch and run of 20 plus yards? Quizz did. I think Snelling and Quizz should get more touches than Turner. Fact is they have earned it. Although Turner did a better job catching the ball against the Bucs. We still need Turner. But we don't need him to be a big part of the offense. Quizz needs a bigger role than himThe bigger role is passing for this team, naturally suiting the pass-catching RBs Snelling and Quiz. This was demonstrated specifically by that pass to Quizz option that got the Falcons in the red zone.Atlanta had these same packages last year, but it was all different execution. Quizz was a rookie and what not. Snelling had that beast run vs the Saints after the short catch over the middle, IIRC. Quizz looks more comfortable and the coaching staff is using hims specifically more as the game-plans have adjusted and Atlanta knows it's strengths/weaknesses more defined under these new offensive/defensive systems than before when it was still being implemented and initial evaluation during the first part of the season went on.However, get back to the red zone issues. Atlanta's struggles to score TDs in the Red Zone were a problem more last year. HOPEFULLY it will be less streaky and not an issue in the playoffs; be it either better exeuction/avoiding short-yardage running situations OR simply being forced to run and still being able to pull it off when it's MUCH easier to defend the stretch/sweep in the red zone since there isn't as much space behind. Thankfully, both RBs scored on similar plays but Atlanta hadn't used that often before. Quizz was the toss, out in space and was the most obvious call if it was going to be a run. Turner's TD was a sweep that had good enough blocking.Either way, I think short-yardage Atlanta should avoid running between the tackles for a while. At least, not in game on the line situations. You DO have to try eventually though. Sort of like when you get a defense out of position defending those edges. Atlanta tried to bust Snelling up the middle on the Bucs this week, but it was stuffed. Even with all of the outside/edge rushes that were there.It's just going to take getting the right call when the other team 'hopefully' over-corrects to your new tendencies in order to get more success doing what you've struggled at doing between the tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nono Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 its pretty obvious to me that Quizz is it and Turner is being used less and less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) You missed my point. Quizz may be given the shot, but he's currently USED AS = change of pace back.There isn't focus on who your RB is, since the running game isn't this team's priority anymore. There is simply a pass-first offense with week to week and situational packages that either include your obvious rushing formation or designs for pass-first that include more of Snelling and Quizz as options.Atlanta's offense has changed and it's strengths were played to against Tampa.Stating that Quizz is going to be more like Daren Sproles than MJD is actually VERY accurate. I hope Quizz can at least be like Sproles! Geez, it'd be the perfect fit for this now pass-first team.Atlanta is trying to become like the Saints and Packers offensively, yet their ideal of still being able to run the ball.No, you said, "lets face it, Quizz will never be the guy". How do you know that, and what makes you able to state that when Mike Smith said that he is capable of being the Guy. What exactly is it that you see in Quizz that makes you think of Sproles. Stating that Quizz is like Sproles is not very accurate. Quizz can take it up the middle, Sproles can't if he wants to make it through the season. Quizz is a 3 down back, Sproles is a change of pace back.The only thing they have in common is height. You are confusing the fact that we are using a running back by committee with change of pace. It has taken forever for it to get to the point of RBBC, but thats where we are at. Edited November 27, 2012 by Negatron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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