Ergo Proxy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The Taints when they won it all weren't so great in short yardage situations but they treated 3rd & 1 like if it was 3rd & 10, 4 WR sets spread the defense and gain chunks of yardage.Good point.AND you'll notice the Falcons have been trying to change from their run 1st 2010 team into a version of the Saints and Green Bay offense.Of course, the future isn't Turner. He is on borrowed time. Atlanta isn't built that way anymore.Which is why drafting Jones 2 years ago was a great move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 More sensational statements than actual points. Just like your 'cant disagree with that' previous post? Holes most of the time take time to develop or they aren't there; or plays are blown up.How often are straight up power running formations blown up at the LOS and into the backfield? Wait, Turner's fault, right? Just like the end of the Saints game, those obvious holes Turner was too slow to hit. The entire thing is on Turner, according to some...and that of course is the point. People don't get the ISSUE that is short-yardage running for this team. It is a problem. Quizz, Turner...either behind this OL in such situations.We'll see how long the toss, sweep plays go before adjustments are made. Thankfully, Atlanta has 2 very good run blocking WRs.Who knows, maybe the Falcons will be smart enough to not try to do what they are no longer: Power run in short-yardage.This game, they did that. Quizz and Turner TDs on toss/sweep plays outside of the tackle.you're not making any sense. I have never blamed one single person for the Falcons run game. I have always said it's Turner and the o line. See I don't make excuses for players cause I don't worship any of them. All you have done is make excuses for Turner. Always claiming it's the line's fault. It's always someone else fault besides Turner according to you. It's getting silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) ^I just started posting on this topic today. The singling out today has been on Turner. (as a message board group, I didnt claim YOU did this)When I call people on it, they go into a Turner vs Quizz debate.Now, once I try to get conversational about it. People either go crazy at the thought the OL is part of the problem(read a few comments up and note the OL apologist).I realize I'm taking a shot by stepping up my opinion on the real issue with the Falcons old run game. Now, as we saw today, it had a different game-plan. Quizz obviously fits that more.Like I said in the other thread, Quizz obviously is the better choice. It's a change in run game-plan approach. How am I silly for simply calling it how I see it? You see Turner not doing much behind the OL.People see Quizz getting plays as any scat back should, and being more fit for the outside of the tackle runs, and claim it's Quizz doing more 'behind the same OL'.I reiterate: There are two issues...Short-yardage running and the running scheme overall. We are finally seeing some life with different game-plans.Call for Quizz 'starting' all you want(as in, anyone that does this), but the fact is there will continue to be a split in carries like there has been. The scheme is changing. Maybe the results will be 'effective' still. Today, it was effective. If the scheme stays successful on the outside, rest assured it will contain a mix of Quizz on toss/swing/screens(Even Turner got in on that, lol), but it will also include Atlanta try to re-establish it's ability to run between the tackles. Michael Turner is still your best option there for such situations and playcalls, IF you call his number.Of course, the real problem resting with the OL's failures dictated the need for a completely different running option than simply short yardage runs between the tackles.It's probably one of the primary reasons I left the boards years ago during the old board conversion. People busying getting into player vs player debates. I try to bring in some perspective on the OL being the issue; which factually is the PRIME thing, and everyone's colors about Turner vs Quizz debate comes out.They are different players with different roles. There is no competition between them, in fact. Edited November 26, 2012 by slimjim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsin Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 He (Turner) starts only because Smith is loyal to him for what he did for this franchise early during the Smith/Dimitroff administration. I am not sure how long loyalty should last, but you do understand even if you don't agree with why he keeps Turner involved as much as he is right now. I just hope it doesn't cost us a win or seeding in the playoffs.Loyalty is a virtuous trait, but there is no place for it when there are clearly better options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbaz Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 He's still valuable for playaction and short pass yardage situations. He keeps the defense honest. We have to keep running plays through him so defenses think we're running everytime he's in the backfield. I don't know if yall noticed but Snelling and Quizz isn't getting many yards in between the tackles either. They have to bounce outside. If Quizz is in the backfield and becomes a everydown back like yall want him to be then the defenses will assume we're passing like we have been. We have to keep them guessing. Running up the middle with Turner all year will be looked at on game film. Playaction with Turner in the playoffs means first down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre5000 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Running with Turner are wasted plays, need to use Quizz & Snelling instead.I think everyone on the planet knows this except Coach Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) He's still valuable for playaction and short pass yardage situations. He keeps the defense honest. We have to keep running plays through him so defenses think we're running everytime he's in the backfield. I don't know if yall noticed but Snelling and Quizz isn't getting many yards in between the tackles either. They have to bounce outside. If Quizz is in the backfield and becomes a everydown back like yall want him to be then the defenses will assume we're passing like we have been. We have to keep them guessing. Running up the middle with Turner all year will be looked at on game film. Playaction with Turner in the playoffs means first down.Something along these lines. You're definitely hitting on the issues. I have yet to see ANY RB on this roster run between the tackles this year or last year when our OL is getting beat.Hint: You can't. You need the scat back, like Quizz, to create plays on the edge.TIP: You get game planned against by your formations, motion, play-development and such...it isn't as easy as just starting Quizz. It's called film, scouting your look, and noting your tendencies. Edited November 26, 2012 by slimjim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Jacquizz Rodgers should be the starter. Period! He runs faster than Turner, He hits the holes quicker than Turner, and, unfortunately for Turner, He is younger than Turner. Father time has caught up with #33 and it's time to face it. Enough said.I agree with this statement. I am just being a dik. If you are going to always post in bold , font , and color then at least make it funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 How can you even defend Turner at this point? It's laughable. When Turner got majority of snaps, the Falcons punted. When Quizz got more touches Falcons scored touchdowns.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 How can you even defend Turner at this point? It's laughable. When Turner got majority of snaps, the Falcons punted. When Quizz got more touches Falcons scored touchdowns....Turner won this game. He just has no business running up the gut!If you cannot get that, then stop.He did well in a very limited roll with a certain set of play calls. It was when we decided to run the gut that we FUKING WASTED DOWNS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Turner won this game. He just has no business running up the gut!If you cannot get that, then stop.He did well in a very limited roll with a certain set of play calls. It was when we decided to run the gut that we FUKING WASTED DOWNS!Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 quizz and julio won this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Turner won this game. He just has no business running up the gut!If you cannot get that, then stop.He did well in a very limited roll with a certain set of play calls. It was when we decided to run the gut that we FUKING WASTED DOWNS!Turner did not win the game. Not even close. In fact, he is partly responsible for allowing the Bucs to keep it close. The reason why Turner cannot run up the gut is because he is not fast enough to hit holes created by the OL, and the OL is not good enough to hold their blocks. There were multiple times where I saw a hole opened and Turner just put his head down into the back of his blockers....Quizz stole the show in this game. He ran up the gut with more success, ran off tackle with more success and caught the ball with more success. I'm not anti-Turner, I'm pro-Quizz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethos Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Turner won this game... derp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Turner did not win the game. Not even close. In fact, he is partly responsible for allowing the Bucs to keep it close. The reason why Turner cannot run up the gut is because he is not fast enough to hit holes created by the OL, and the OL is not good enough to hold their blocks. There were multiple times where I saw a hole opened and Turner just put his head down into the back of his blockers....Quizz stole the show in this game. He ran up the gut with more success, ran off tackle with more success and caught the ball with more success.I'm not anti-Turner, I'm pro-Quizz.Turner won the game.The touchdown cannot be taken away.I want him to have a lesser role as much as the rest.I just see where TDs are made and well called runs deserve their credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Turner won this game... derp.Take away his TD then whats the score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Turner won the game.The touchdown cannot be taken away.I want him to have a lesser role as much as the rest.I just see where TDs are made and well called runs deserve their credit.Scoring the winning TD from the 1 yard line on a perfectly blocked play does not equate to "winning the game" in my mind. Nor does scoring the winning TD in general...The game is 60 minutes long. Turner inhibited the offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethos Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Take away his TD then whats the score?One touchdown on the goaline where he virtually walked in= him winning the game? Snelling or Quizz would both have scored in the same situation. Derp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Scoring the winning TD from the 1 yard line on a perfectly blocked play does not equate to "winning the game" in my mind. Nor does scoring the winning TD in general...The game is 60 minutes long. Turner inhibited the offence.When played properly he did his job and did well. When played wrong he did bad. Its not hard to see. Hate on a TD all day. Its still a TD. I am glad he scored and we won because of it. I would not want it taken away. That is all I have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 One touchdown on the goaline where he virtually walked in= him winning the game? Snelling or Quizz would both have scored in the same situation. Derp.Go back and watch. It was not our typical goal line play. Interesting point of view though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 When played properly he did his job and did well. When played wrong he did bad. Its not hard to see. Hate on a TD all day. Its still a TD. I am glad he scored and we won because of it. I would not want it taken away. That is all I have to say.I'm not hating on the TD. He is the weakest link to the offense and you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethos Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Go back and watch. It was not our typical goal line play. Interesting point of view though.Watched it. Still don't understand how 13 carries,17 yards and one TD equates to winning the game. But everyone's entitled to their own opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I'm not hating on the TD. He is the weakest link to the offense and you know it.His play calling was. He is old and slow. When his #33 was played correctly we did well. He even won the game with a TD. I will not and cannot speak truthfully wrong about a man who deserves all of our respect. He broke a record today. Who is talking about that? This guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Watched it. Still don't understand how 13 carries,17 yards and one TD equates to winning the game. But everyone's entitled to their own opinions.Its more or less making sure people respect where its due. I want a replacement , but I will fight tooth and nail to make sure people understand what that man did for us.All you have to say is you respect him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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