Falcon Fred Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 LOL I like how some fans on here think they know more about player production then the actual coaching staff. Now I am not saying Turner has been playing great this year, or is even one of the top backs in the NFL this year. Though the coaching staff observes these players (including turner) in practice on an almost daily basis. Where as us (the fans) see the players on a weekly bases. Yeah the guy might be stinking it up in the backfield this year, but there is a good reason why Turner is still the starting back. Obviously our coaching staff knows what they are doing (hints the 10-1 record).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hustle Up Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 LOL I like how some fans on here think they know more about player production then the actual coaching staff. Now I am not saying Turner has been playing great this year, or is even one of the top backs in the NFL this year. Though the coaching staff observes these players (including turner) in practice on an almost daily basis. Where as us (the fans) see the players on a weekly bases. Yeah the guy might be stinking it up in the backfield this year, but there is a good reason why Turner is still the starting back. Obviously our coaching staff knows what they are doing (hints the 10-1 record)..This is why us fans are a litte bit concerned about MT back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 LOL I like how some fans on here think they know more about player production then the actual coaching staff. Now I am not saying Turner has been playing great this year, or is even one of the top backs in the NFL this year. Though the coaching staff observes these players (including turner) in practice on an almost daily basis. Where as us (the fans) see the players on a weekly bases. Yeah the guy might be stinking it up in the backfield this year, but there is a good reason why Turner is still the starting back. Obviously our coaching staff knows what they are doing (hints the 10-1 record)..its so easy to say that but Smith has a history of not making decisions when they need to be made. He's stubborn as ****. It took Adam Jennings losing us a game before he made the change at PR years ago. Franks is even worse than Jennings. and the guy that took over for Jennings and played much better is still on the roster, Harry Douglas. Giving the ball to Turner almost lost this game and it did lose us the Saints game. nothing positive comes from playing Turner. The coaching staff "knew so much" to go 13-3, only to get destroyed in our first playoff game. U can miss me with that coaching staff knows better ####### when its clear as day that Turner sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 LOL I like how some fans on here think they know more about player production then the actual coaching staff. Now I am not saying Turner has been playing great this year, or is even one of the top backs in the NFL this year. Though the coaching staff observes these players (including turner) in practice on an almost daily basis. Where as us (the fans) see the players on a weekly bases. Yeah the guy might be stinking it up in the backfield this year, but there is a good reason why Turner is still the starting back. Obviously our coaching staff knows what they are doing (hints the 10-1 record)..LOL I like how some fans on here think they know more about player production then the actual coaching staff. Now I am not saying Turner has been playing great this year, or is even one of the top backs in the NFL this year. Though the coaching staff observes these players (including turner) in practice on an almost daily basis. Where as us (the fans) see the players on a weekly bases. Yeah the guy might be stinking it up in the backfield this year, but there is a good reason why Turner is still the starting back. Obviously our coaching staff knows what they are doing (hints the 10-1 record)..we as fans will put our input into the situation weather we believe we know more or not, we are fans its what were going to do. some fans that have actually played the sport will question it even more,(doesnt make them right)although they will believe they are. but its not hard in this case to see turner is getting no production at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moist Words Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 He's well on his way to a 100 yard game with 60 more carries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird56 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I don' t like that Rogers kid running the ball for Atl. He is too **** shifty and elusive. I MUCH prefere them to run Turner more.-Bucs fan during the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twright21 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 He was a solid contributor over all. He won his one-on-one match up on the TD play. He made a couple of nice catches that helped keep chains moving. He made several good pass blocking pick ups.I like using all the backs like we did today. Even Snells came up big on his series. I like the rotation. I also like Quizz getting more carries than Turner. I like them all involved.This. We had a nice balance of things today. I expect to see more of Quizz and Snelling like we did today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passprotection Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) ... Edited November 25, 2012 by Passprotection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Turner had at least 3 or 4 runs of 5+ yards but lost a ton on a couple of plays late in the 4th Quarter where we were trying to burn clock more than get yardsYeah, I know Turner had a 9 yarder on a toss early in the game, he just lost too much late. He lost 8 on that stupid *** play at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stizz Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You hate to think about injuries, but just like the Grimes injury will save us money this offseason, only an injury or a release will save us from, Turner starting. I have 0 confidence in Smitty to put the better player in Quiz in. Dude has always let the sorry vets waste away on the field while the talent sits. Konz would still be sitting if Reynolds weren't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Turner is just too slow to the hole, now he does that stop-hop thing that completely loses his momentum. I keep yelling just keep running!What hole? Quizz and Turner had to get Toss and Sweep plays to get any decent form of a running game today.EVERYONE in this thread is wasting their time talking about the starting RB when the real issue is your OL.PLEASE lie to me and tell me you think Atlanta will overcome their short-yardage rushing failures by always relying on the toss or sweep play. Not gonna happen. You have to be able to run in short-yardage at some point when teams adjust to your success and force you to make adjustments.Is this OL capable? I just don't see it...Quizz looks better in space because he IS a better RB in space, outside of the tackles.When has Turner EVER been an outside the tackle, scat back?Atlanta had a power rushing offense before. Now? There is no down hill running. There is no burst or push from the OL. No consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 What hole? Quizz and Turner had to get Toss and Sweep plays to get any decent form of a running game today.EVERYONE in this thread is wasting their time talking about the starting RB when the real issue is your OL.PLEASE lie to me and tell me you think Atlanta will overcome their short-yardage rushing failures by always relying on the toss or sweep play. Not gonna happen. You have to be able to run in short-yardage at some point when teams adjust to your success and force you to make adjustments.Is this OL capable? I just don't see it...Quizz looks better in space because he IS a better RB in space, outside of the tackles.When has Turner EVER been an outside the tackle, scat back?Atlanta had a power rushing offense before. Now? There is no down hill running. There is no burst or push from the OL. No consistency.oh so Turner gets no blame whatsoever? Doesn't matter how Quizz got the yards. He got them. That's all that matters. Turner just don't have it anymore. The NFL is a vicious business. Turner has been great but he isn't anymore. Quizz is the best option we have. The line isn't getting fixed in the season so no point in talking about it. The line can't run block. But Turner is slow to the line. Can't argue that point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdzEyeView Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 He (Turner) starts only because Smith is loyal to him for what he did for this franchise early during the Smith/Dimitroff administration. I am not sure how long loyalty should last, but you do understand even if you don't agree with why he keeps Turner involved as much as he is right now. I just hope it doesn't cost us a win or seeding in the playoffs.^^THIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culain_04 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Running with Turner are wasted plays, need to use Quizz & Snelling instead.I would like to see a backfield of Quizz/Snelling with Snelling the FB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) oh so Turner gets no blame whatsoever? Doesn't matter how Quizz got the yards. He got them. That's all that matters. Turner just don't have it anymore. The NFL is a vicious business. Turner has been great but he isn't anymore. Quizz is the best option we have. The line isn't getting fixed in the season so no point in talking about it. The line can't run block. But Turner is slow to the line. Can't argue that pointTurner slow to the line because there are no immediate holes. Patience in a veteran RB is suddenly spun wrong. Look, sometimes that may be the case but Turner is a smart back. He isn't missing holes, if that's what you are implying? If only he'd just hurry through it all and smash into the backs of his OL, that's it???Why did you just create a straw man that I implied Turner has 'no' blame, though? Look. I firmly believe Turner simply is wasted when the OL is this bad on creating lanes between the tackles. I don't believe he is 'slow to the LOS' as though that is the problem. I don't agree with that.I think it's very marginally on Turner. MORE SO that he isn't a RB that can create much when his style isn't going to be utilized without an OL that can keep the LOS from being blown up during power running 'attempts'.There is no downhill option, it's been hand the ball off meet defender AT the handoff more than not! It's stupidly pathetic.AND if it appears I'm defending Turner it's because I am. People can go about this civil and talk about reasons why. Others simply attack Turner as THE problem and that isn't the case.Then, these same people don't know why we lose against the Giants last year because of the exact same issue. Edited November 25, 2012 by slimjim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Turner slow to the line because there are no immediate holes. Patience in a veteran RB is suddenly spun wrong. Look, sometimes that may be the case but Turner is a smart back. He isn't missing holes, if that's what you are implying? If only he'd just hurry through it all and smash into the backs of his OL, that's it???Why did you just create a straw man that I implied Turner has 'no' blame, though? Look. I firmly believe Turner simply is wasted when the OL is this bad on creating lanes between the tackles. I don't believe is is 'slow to the LOS' as though that is the problem. I don't agree with that.I think it's very marginally on Turner. MORE SO that he isn't a RB that can create much when his style isn't going to be utilized without an OL that can keep the LOS from being blown up during power running.lol. More excuses for a grown man. He is slow to the line cause their isn't a hole? That is the dumbest chit I have ever heard. You do Turner a disservice by making stupid excuses for him. He is slow to the line cause he takes a false step on almost every running play and he isn't explosive anymore. You run hard on every play. Middle school running backs will tell you that. Quizz runs hard to the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Turner slow to the line because there are no immediate holes. Patience in a veteran RB is suddenly spun wrong. Look, sometimes that may be the case but Turner is a smart back. He isn't missing holes, if that's what you are implying? If only he'd just hurry through it all and smash into the backs of his OL, that's it???Why did you just create a straw man that I implied Turner has 'no' blame, though? Look. I firmly believe Turner simply is wasted when the OL is this bad on creating lanes between the tackles. I don't believe is is 'slow to the LOS' as though that is the problem. I don't agree with that.I think it's very marginally on Turner. MORE SO that he isn't a RB that can create much when his style isn't going to be utilized without an OL that can keep the LOS from being blown up during power running 'attempts'.There is no downhill option, it's been hand the ball off meet defender AT the handoff more than not! It's stupidly pathetic.90+7AND if it appears I'm defending Turner it's because I am. People can go about this civil and talk about reasons why. Others simply attack Turner as THE problem and that isn't the case.Then, these same people don't know why we lose against the Giants last year because of the exact same issue.did you not notice that once we started running some tosses that holes started opening up in the middle? turner still couldn't hit them though..jacquizz did though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilleniumFalcon Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Even if there's daylight Turner is slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Wound Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I don' t like that Rogers kid running the ball for Atl. He is too **** shifty and elusive. I MUCH prefere them to run Turner more.-Bucs fan during the gamehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 and people expect it to get better. Even in Turners "beast days" he always dissapears in the playoffs. Even back when we had Dahl. Turner was always a huge part in our offense then when we get to the playoffs and he lays an egg we're clueless because we didnt throw enough during the season. look back at our 3 playoff games under Smith smh. ready for fatboy to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethos Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Turner slow to the line because there are no immediate holes. Patience in a veteran RB is suddenly spun wrong. Look, sometimes that may be the case but Turner is a smart back. He isn't missing holes, if that's what you are implying? If only he'd just hurry through it all and smash into the backs of his OL, that's it???Why did you just create a straw man that I implied Turner has 'no' blame, though? Look. I firmly believe Turner simply is wasted when the OL is this bad on creating lanes between the tackles. I don't believe he is 'slow to the LOS' as though that is the problem. I don't agree with that.I think it's very marginally on Turner. MORE SO that he isn't a RB that can create much when his style isn't going to be utilized without an OL that can keep the LOS from being blown up during power running 'attempts'.There is no downhill option, it's been hand the ball off meet defender AT the handoff more than not! It's stupidly pathetic.AND if it appears I'm defending Turner it's because I am. People can go about this civil and talk about reasons why. Others simply attack Turner as THE problem and that isn't the case.Then, these same people don't know why we lose against the Giants last year because of the exact same issue.Turner is slow to the line because he has no burst. He's a 30 year old washed up RB who's drunk himself to mediocrity. Don't try and pull that O-Line bull$hit over my head because i've seen him in 11 games this year and to say he's lost a step would be generous. A 5'6 RB is producing way more than him. Your O-Line bull$hit theory went out the window weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 lol. More excuses for a grown man. He is slow to the line cause their isn't a hole? That is the dumbest chit I have ever heard. You do Turner a disservice by making stupid excuses for him. He is slow to the line cause he takes a false step on almost every running play and he isn't explosive anymore. You run hard on every play. Middle school running backs will tell you that. Quizz runs hard to the line.More sensational statements than actual points. Just like your 'cant disagree with that' previous post? Holes most of the time take time to develop or they aren't there; or plays are blown up.How often are straight up power running formations blown up at the LOS and into the backfield? Wait, Turner's fault, right? Just like the end of the Saints game, those obvious holes Turner was too slow to hit. The entire thing is on Turner, according to some...and that of course is the point. People don't get the ISSUE that is short-yardage running for this team. It is a problem. Quizz, Turner...either behind this OL in such situations.We'll see how long the toss, sweep plays go before adjustments are made. Thankfully, Atlanta has 2 very good run blocking WRs.Who knows, maybe the Falcons will be smart enough to not try to do what they are no longer: Power run in short-yardage.This game, they did that. Quizz and Turner TDs on toss/sweep plays outside of the tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudFalcFan Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I think we have too many winners on the field...And to many whiners on the Message Board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilleniumFalcon Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 More sensational statements than actual points. Just like your 'cant disagree with that' previous post? Holes most of the time take time to develop or they aren't there; or plays are blown up.How often are straight up power running formations blown up at the LOS and into the backfield? Wait, Turner's fault, right? Just like the end of the Saints game, those obvious holes Turner was too slow to hit. The entire thing is on Turner, according to some...and that of course is the point. People don't get the ISSUE that is short-yardage running for this team. It is a problem. Quizz, Turner...either behind this OL in such situations.We'll see how long the toss, sweep plays go before adjustments are made. Thankfully, Atlanta has 2 very good run blocking WRs.Who knows, maybe the Falcons will be smart enough to not try to do what they are no longer: Power run in short-yardage.This game, they did that. Quizz and Turner TDs on toss/sweep plays outside of the tackle.The Taints when they won it all weren't so great in short yardage situations but they treated 3rd & 1 like if it was 3rd & 10, 4 WR sets spread the defense and gain chunks of yardage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) Turner is slow to the line because he has no burst. He's a 30 year old washed up RB who's drunk himself to mediocrity. Don't try and pull that O-Line bull$hit over my head because i've seen him in 11 games this year and to say he's lost a step would be generous. A 5'6 RB is producing way more than him. Your O-Line bull$hit theory went out the window weeks ago.Is that you Todd McClure?Weeks ago is right. Look back at why Turner was stuffed against the Saints. Then, see the different execution last week in the game winning TD vs ARI, then this week in the 2 rushing TDs play-call all together.You guys are proving my point:Wasting time in a who starts RB debate when that isn't even the underlying issue.If people actually read my posts, you'd see I'm in favor of more of the same we saw today. Including game-planning the running game around the obvious weakness in our OL. EDIT: THIS INCLUDES USING QUIZZ MORE.Can't fix your problems either for being stuck in a who starts debate. I'll defend Turner. He obviously hasn't been overworked in his career. Guy has less attempts than Adrian Peterson. He's not a 'used up'. I do agree he isn't a good as he was when he first came here, but he isn't some Jerome Bettis at the end of his career, nothing left bull. Please, ignore the real problems still... Edited November 25, 2012 by slimjim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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