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Will A Redshirt Freshman Win The Heisman This Year?


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i never sat down and checked out his numbers, but johnny heisman (my new name for him.. lol) has 1000 more yards and 2 more touchdowns than collin klein. the question is will he win the heisman? should he? should he not? what's your opinion guys.

Sac: You mind posting the numbers, for Johnny and for Klein? (I'm too lazy to look 'em up).

To answer your question, Johnny won't win it because so-called experts keep saying he won't/shouldn't win it. Bill King has him in his personal list No. 2 and said he won't put him at No. 1 unless some major catastrophe (my words) happens.

It's the same expert mentality, I believe, that lead people to not be able to vote UGA No. 2 in the final polls way back (2007) when all those teams ahead of them lost. I am not saying THEY were wrong necessarily, and I don't want to start that argument all over again. I'm just saying this is the mentality that will probably keep Johnny from winning the Heisman. Heck, I still think Herschel should have won it back in 1980! sleep.png

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Sac: You mind posting the numbers, for Johnny and for Klein? (I'm too lazy to look 'em up).

To answer your question, Johnny won't win it because so-called experts keep saying he won't/shouldn't win it. Bill King has him in his personal list No. 2 and said he won't put him at No. 1 unless some major catastrophe (my words) happens.

It's the same expert mentality, I believe, that lead people to not be able to vote UGA No. 2 in the final polls way back when all those teams ahead of them lost. I am not saying THEY were wrong, and I don't want to start that argument all over again. I'm just saying this is the mentality that will probably keep Johnny from winning the Heisman. Heck, I still think Herschel should have won it back in 1980! sleep.png

From ESPN:

Klein: 145-208 (69.7%), 2020 yards, 12 TD 3 INT, 167.4 QBR and Rushing = 748 yards and 19 TDs

Manziel: 227-336 (67.6%), 2780 yards, 18 TD 6 INT, 151.2 QBR and Rushing = 1014 yards and 15 TD

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Johnny Football is a HeII of a ball player for sure, but dont get me wrong when I say he wont win the heisman this year and hes going to have a sophmore slump next year.

he'll have a slump because this season he has 3 All-American Quality Linemen protecting him and all three will be gone next season.

But IMHO he will win the Heisman his Junior year.

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That's it. Not sure why that preseason arrest did not get more play. I guess because Manziel was an unknown at that point. In any event, the kid is incredibly talented, but like someone mentioned above, I think this season will be better than next for him because he has an all-world offensive line keeping defenders off of him for the most part.

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That's it. Not sure why that preseason arrest did not get more play. I guess because Manziel was an unknown at that point. In any event, the kid is incredibly talented, but like someone mentioned above, I think this season will be better than next for him because he has an all-world offensive line keeping defenders off of him for the most part.

I remember seeing that he was arrested but I had no clue who he was at the time and didn't feel like it was worth mentioning on this forum. Then I completely forgot about it until you mentioned it. Besides the offensive line, he also has Ryan Swope who was ridiculous vs. Bama.

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I remember seeing that he was arrested but I had no clue who he was at the time and didn't feel like it was worth mentioning on this forum. Then I completely forgot about it until you mentioned it. Besides the offensive line, he also has Ryan Swope who was ridiculous vs. Bama.

Swope is incredible. Wes Welker Part II.

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the difference between the two has also been the defenses they have went up against.. johnny heisman has went up against 3 of the best defenses in the nation in florida, lsu, and alabama and he still has 1000 more yards and 2 more touchdowns than klein. if ksu was in the sec they wouldn't be undefeated either.

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the difference between the two has also been the defenses they have went up against.. johnny heisman has went up against 3 of the best defenses in the nation in florida, lsu, and alabama and he still has 1000 more yards and 2 more touchdowns than klein. if ksu was in the sec they wouldn't be undefeated either.

And if Texas A&M was in the Big 12, I think they are likely undefeated.

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Interesting article by KC Joyner:

Aaron Murray's Heisman case

Why Georgia's QB is the SEC's top Heisman candidate, not Johnny Manziel

by kc joyner

In a season where there isn't one player who stands head and shoulders above the rest of the field, it is easy to see why someone like Texas A&M Aggies quarterback Johnny Manziel (aka Johnny Football) would have a strong candidacy for the Heisman Trophy.

Manziel has posted some impressive numbers, including setting the freshman quarterback record for rushing yards and total offense on his way to becoming the first freshman to pass for at least 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in a single season.

Having given Manziel his due, upon closer examination it becomes clear that he isn't even the best Heisman quarterback candidate in the SEC.

That honor belongs to Georgia Bulldogs passer Aaron Murray, and it really isn't even close.

To illustrate this, let's examine some of the facts.

Passer rating

Murray currently has a 177.3 passer rating that is the highest in the FBS. By contrast, Manziel's 155.1 passer rating ranks fourth in the SEC.

Passing yards per attempt (YPA)

Murray's 9.9 yards per pass attempt (YPA) is the highest total in the FBS. That number is so strong that it leads the second-place finisher (Clemson Tigers quarterback Tajh Boyd) by four-tenths of a yard. It is also 1.3 yards ahead of Manziel's 8.6 YPA, which ranks tied for 14th in the FBS.

Overall development as a passer

One under-the-radar part of Murray's achievements this year is the amount of progress he has made in helping those around him play better.

Prior to this campaign, he had displayed more than a few consistency issues in this area. He would excel when throwing to his top pass-catchers, but then see his numbers come crashing to earth when throwing to other receivers.

That has not been the case this year, as five of Georgia's receivers with at least 10 receptions have a YPA of 8.3 yards or higher (Tavarres King 13.4, Arthur Lynch 11.9, Marlon Brown 10.4, Malcolm Mitchell 9.4, Chris Conley 8.3).

This trait has been especially important since Murray and the Bulldogs' passing game had to overcome a multitude of issues this season, including Mitchell having to play defensive back for a time as well as the season-ending knee injuries to both Brown and Bennett.

Winning the SEC East division

One of the reasons Murray is not being considered a strong Heisman candidate is that he had poor showings against the South Carolina Gamecocks and Florida Gators.

To put those performances into perspective, consider that Murray posted a combined stat line of 23-for-55 for 259 yards, one touchdown and four interceptions in those contests.

While that kind of stat production is less than stellar, it should not be forgotten that Manziel had two terrible games of his own, one against Florida and the other against the LSU Tigers.

He went 52-for-86 for 449 yards with zero touchdowns and three interceptions in those games, or passing numbers that are about as bad as Murray's. He didn't do much more in the area of rushing, either, as Manziel managed to post 87 yards on 34 carries in those contests.

This shows they both had multiple subpar games, but Murray still ends up with the edge here because he was able to guide his team to a game-clinching touchdown midway through the fourth quarter of the battle against Florida.

Manziel, for all of his heroics this year, did nothing of the sort in the Florida or LSU matchups. In the fourth quarter of those games, he went 10-for-21 for 109 yards, two sacks and an interception on his aerials, and managed to tally a meager 21 yards on nine carries. The only fourth-quarter points he led his team to in those 30 minutes was a touchdown that closed a 24-12 gap against LSU to 24-19 with 1:17 left in the game.

What this means is simple: Even in his bad games, Murray still found a way to step up and lead his team to the one win that made all of the difference in getting Georgia a division title. Manziel was not able to do the same and it is part of why, unless the Auburn Tigers pull off one of the greatest upsets in college football history this weekend against the Alabama Crimson Tide, his team will finish one game out of tying for its division title.

No overrated performances

When LSU quarterback Zach Mettenberger, one of the lowest-rated passers in the SEC this season, racked up 298 yards, one touchdown and zero interceptions on 24-for-35 for passing against Alabama on Nov. 3, the general reaction was that the Crimson Tide defense was highly overrated because it let someone of Mettenberger's caliber throw the ball with such success.

The very next week, Manziel went out and posted a very similar passing stat line (24-for-31 for 253 yards, two touchdowns and zero interceptions) while adding in adds 92 rushing yards to boot. All totaled, his performance really wasn't that much better than Mettenberger's, and yet somehow the general reaction of the college football world was that this was the moment Johnny Football put his stamp on the 2012 season.

However, a group of highlight-reel plays against an overrated defense shouldn't be enough to vault Manziel to the Heisman lead.

The good news for Murray is that he'll also get his shot at the Crimson Tide in the SEC championship game. If Murray has a strong showing while leading his team to a victory, it would give his resume a direct equalizer on the Alabama front and also add a conference title and berth in the BCS title game (assuming Georgia Tech doesn't pull off a huge upset against Georgia this weekend) that Manziel cannot match.

In a fair world, that would move Murray to the top of the Heisman Trophy list.

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