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  1. 1. do you like Ray Edwards

    • yes
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    • no
      25
    • he does not fulfill his contract
      54
  2. 2. Ray need to

    • be fired and replaced
      32
    • needs to work harder
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    • nothing to fix, he is doing fine.
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Why the bashing? I hear he is like JA98. but there is a lot different them those two guys.

so anyhow, a lot of people wanted him badly. I heard some even want him more the Mario. <----this tells me people had high expectations of him. and since he does not live up to the hype, then they bash him.

I see a lot of people act like sacks are everything, manly cause that is the only thing that shows about on the stats sheet on nfl.com. <-----I said it years before that Biermann was a good player. and everyone kept mentioning he does not get sacks. and now people are seeing that he really is a good player all over the place minus the sacks.

so anyhow tell me what is so bad about ray edwards minus the sacks.

I am not for Edwards, but I just want to know what he is doing so bad to get beat up every week by fans.

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NOTE: I do not want a guy who gets a sack every game, I want a DE who can do everything that is required of him. just like TE's I do not want a guy who can just block, I want one that is like Tony who can block, catch, move the ball after a catch. (tony exceeds what a TE does. but someone with half the skills of Tony would be who I would want). People make a big deal out of Jimmy Graham....they guy stinks at blocking, hence why Brees puts him in for blocking. the guy is always in a route, when they go to block then they put in thomas. and thomas is not good at blocking, but he is better then jimmy graham....hence the reason they are trying out Daniel graham.

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I voted yes and needs to work harder.

I like him. I want him to do well. But he's crapping the bed right now, and he needs to get it together. I also don't care if he gets a sack on every play, but 5-6 a year isn't asking much, and he was brought here to help the pass rush, not be a run-stopper. That doesn't mean we can't use him as a run stopper, but he got what, 13 snaps the last game? For the money we're paying him, IMHO, he has to do better.

The only way I change "needs to work harder" to "fired and replaced" is if he doesn't fit Nolan's system and we won't ever use him. I think he's capable, personally. If Nolan disagrees about that from either an ability or scheme fit perspective, then obviously I defer to Nolan.

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He is what I feared, I thought all along he was over hyped simply because he played next to 3 outstanding lineman in Minny (Jared Allen and the Williams Wall) and had his opportunities simply because they had to account for everyone BUT him.

I knew he wouldn't ever produce anything near like he did with the Vikes, but I was sure hoping he'd at least be productive

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I like Ray and I think he could be better, but in order to be better he has to get playing time. to me I thought Nolan was gonna use him to pass rush cause he is capable of fighting his way to the QB, but for some strange reason we've only used him to set contain & for run support. coach Nolan is my favorite DC ever so if he doesn't want to use him as a pass rusher I gotta trust him. Ray is kinda like HD to me, he has potential to be a lot more than what he's given. as far as the bad attitude comment. when?? the guy is always smiling on the sidelines and from all accounts he's accepted his reduced role without complaints.

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Here is the real skinny on Ray Edwards

- He is not getting paid Charles Johnson money therefore don't expect Charles Johnson sack totals

- Is he playing quite as well as he should for his contract? I don't think so. I think he definitely can improve but not as much as some people on here say

- I don't even know where the bad attitue/hustle crap is coming from. I've never seen or heard anything that would say that. I am sure most of that stems from the ******** pictures he takes and the fact that he took up boxing a few years ago

- He is WAY better than JA98 was. If someone says otherwise then they have zero idea what they are talking about

- He played 13 snaps last week. THIRTEEN snaps. Primarily on running downs and even moved to RE when the Skins were having success running to the left side. You can't expect a big sack total with those type of snaps

- Last year was a wash in my opinion. First year in a new defense. No offseason to learn defense. Complex defense as described by Abe despite what the message board experts say on here. And on top of that he missed games with injuries and played through injuries all season.

Like eveyone else, I would like to see a little more prouction, but my expectations are within reason. Its not reasonable to expect a whole lot with the type of snaps he is getting.

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Here is the real skinny on Ray Edwards

- He is not getting paid Charles Johnson money therefore don't expect Charles Johnson sack totals

- Is he playing quite as well as he should for his contract? I don't think so. I think he definitely can improve but not as much as some people on here say

- I don't even know where the bad attitue/hustle crap is coming from. I've never seen or heard anything that would say that. I am sure most of that stems from the ******** pictures he takes and the fact that he took up boxing a few years ago

- He is WAY better than JA98 was. If someone says otherwise then they have zero idea what they are talking about

- He played 13 snaps last week. THIRTEEN snaps. Primarily on running downs and even moved to RE when the Skins were having success running to the left side. You can't expect a big sack total with those type of snaps

- Last year was a wash in my opinion. First year in a new defense. No offseason to learn defense. Complex defense as described by Abe despite what the message board experts say on here. And on top of that he missed games with injuries and played through injuries all season.

Like eveyone else, I would like to see a little more prouction, but my expectations are within reason. Its not reasonable to expect a whole lot with the type of snaps he is getting.

this is exactly my view on the situation. +1

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Mainly this fanbase is sick of not being able to apply pressure with 4. We are sick of excuses and player apologists. We have been begging for a dominant defense for most of 3 decades and it starts on the line.

In recent years we have watched a defense that started JA98 over and over and over. He sucked at the position but it was left unaddressed. He was a camp hero and a game zero. Now we have JA98 v2.0. He may not make top end DE money but he is paid to make plays. Is 7 or 8 sacks a year so much to ask?

And yes, it is about the sacks. If he is getting sacks on some plays it means he is applying pressure and getting hits on others.

So once again we have a paid starter in a diminished role.

Hopefully Nolan can either get us a DE or a true NT that raises the production of the DEs we have next year because as good as they are at everything else the DL seems to be a blindspot for everyone else.

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Mainly this fanbase is sick of not being able to apply pressure with 4. We are sick of excuses and player apologists. We have been begging for a dominant defense for most of 3 decades and it starts on the line.

In recent years we have watched a defense that started JA98 over and over and over. He sucked at the position but it was left unaddressed. He was a camp hero and a game zero. Now we have JA98 v2.0. He may not make top end DE money but he is paid to make plays. Is 7 or 8 sacks a year so much to ask?

And yes, it is about the sacks. If he is getting sacks on some plays it means he is applying pressure and getting hits on others.

So once again we have a paid starter in a diminished role.

Hopefully Nolan can either get us a DE or a true NT that raises the production of the DEs we have next year because as good as they are at everything else the DL seems to be a blindspot for everyone else.

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great read everyone.

seems I was just reading a lot of others who were being negative nanncy's.

a lot of the post so far in this thread I agree with. thanks for shining some light on what he needs to work on besides, "the guy sucks" or "he doesn't get sacks"

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Mainly this fanbase is sick of not being able to apply pressure with 4. We are sick of excuses and player apologists. We have been begging for a dominant defense for most of 3 decades and it starts on the line.

In recent years we have watched a defense that started JA98 over and over and over. He sucked at the position but it was left unaddressed. He was a camp hero and a game zero. Now we have JA98 v2.0. He may not make top end DE money but he is paid to make plays. Is 7 or 8 sacks a year so much to ask?

And yes, it is about the sacks. If he is getting sacks on some plays it means he is applying pressure and getting hits on others.

So once again we have a paid starter in a diminished role.

Hopefully Nolan can either get us a DE or a true NT that raises the production of the DEs we have next year because as good as they are at everything else the DL seems to be a blindspot for everyone else.

you're directing your anger the wrong place. Ray can't get sacks when he's mostly getting snaps on running plays so how is that an excuse? Biermann has the job of being the pass rusher. at the end of the day, this is Nolan's defense and we have to trust him and let him run the show and if that means that Ray isn't that guy, Smith & Nolan will move on.

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you're directing your anger the wrong place. Ray can't get sacks when he's mostly getting snaps on running plays so how is that an excuse? Biermann has the job of being the pass rusher. at the end of the day, this is Nolan's defense and we have to trust him and let him run the show and if that means that Ray isn't that guy, Smith & Nolan will move on.

you're directing your anger the wrong place. Ray can't get sacks when he's mostly getting snaps on running plays so how is that an excuse? Biermann has the job of being the pass rusher. at the end of the day, this is Nolan's defense and we have to trust him and let him run the show and if that means that Ray isn't that guy, Smith & Nolan will move on.

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Mainly this fanbase is sick of not being able to apply pressure with 4. We are sick of excuses and player apologists. We have been begging for a dominant defense for most of 3 decades and it starts on the line.

In recent years we have watched a defense that started JA98 over and over and over. He sucked at the position but it was left unaddressed. He was a camp hero and a game zero. Now we have JA98 v2.0. He may not make top end DE money but he is paid to make plays. Is 7 or 8 sacks a year so much to ask?

And yes, it is about the sacks. If he is getting sacks on some plays it means he is applying pressure and getting hits on others.

So once again we have a paid starter in a diminished role.

Hopefully Nolan can either get us a DE or a true NT that raises the production of the DEs we have next year because as good as they are at everything else the DL seems to be a blindspot for everyone else.

I understand. and I do understand it is about sacks....but that is not all that makes a DE.

a QB main thing is TD's. but there is many other things that make him suck or great. if we had a QB who got one sack but was able to game manage the ball and givbe it to the RB 2+ times for a TD, get out of the pocket and still make plays, etc etc etc that is something that is important just as much as him throwing the ball for a TD.

I think there is a lot of people (not including you) who only look at stats and see sacks. they do not see pressure, play time, if he closed the right position up and made the QB go left end, or if he went out of his way to make a tackle that saved us the game.

it is like the game winning drive against the panthers. do people look at how Turner Gonzalez blocked for ryan so white could get down the field, how Julio had guys follow him, the line blocking, the next play after that one, etc etc? no, people just remember White got a long pass from matt ryan.

people need to get off this sack means everything and just reralize it is something of many things to look at.

NOTE: and it seems by a lot of post on here, people have been doing seeing other things besides sacks.

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you're directing your anger the wrong place. Ray can't get sacks when he's mostly getting snaps on running plays so how is that an excuse? Biermann has the job of being the pass rusher. at the end of the day, this is Nolan's defense and we have to trust him and let him run the show and if that means that Ray isn't that guy, Smith & Nolan will move on.

So we signed him to be a run specialist? NO. We signed him to be a pass rusher and he lost his job.

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So we signed him to be a run specialist? NO. We signed him to be a pass rusher and he lost his job.

So we signed him to be a run specialist? NO. We signed him to be a pass rusher and he lost his job.

NO. We signed him to be a LDE not a specific run stuffer not a specific pass rusher and he had one season with no offseason and missed time with injuries. Obviously not going to get a whole lot of production out of the guy. Look at Mario Williams in Buffalo. 1.5 sacks in 5 games and he actually got paid BIG money. And now Edwards is in another completely different defense.

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I was thinking this was well. Probably said have just kept Biermann there and left Edwards where he was.

I was thinking this was well. Probably said have just kept Biermann there and left Edwards where he was.

But Kroy only had 2.5 sacks last year and just 3 the year before that so judging by your logic he is terrible and needs to be cut lol

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So we signed him to be a run specialist? NO. We signed him to be a pass rusher and he lost his job.

Atlanta Falcons: Q and A with Mike Nolan

8:00 pm September 1, 2012, by Chris Vivlamore

The exhibition season is over. It counts from here on out for the Falcons. In advance of the season opener against the Chiefs, new defensive coordinator Mike Nolan sat down with the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Chris Vivlamore. Here are his thoughts about the unit, John Abraham’s snap count and the role of Ray Edwards.

Q. Ray Edwards was brought here as a pass-rush end. In talking to him, he says he is to stop the run first. Is that how you see him? Is that a change?

A. It’s because he starts in base (run defense) and he’s a backup on the sub (pass defense). So yeah, that would lend you to believe he’s more a run-first, pass-second [end]. It’s an important thing. The objective is to win. There is nowhere, ever, where the sack means winning. Last time I checked, points mean you won. People get a little lost in that because it’s sexy. It’s nice. And it’s good to have those. But you want to win first so you need guys that can create the situation so the other guys can rush. If you can’t stop the run and get people in situations where they have to pass, they won’t and they will take advantage of that. His job is very important regardless of whether it is as sexy as it was once thought to be.

this comment was made before the first snap was played in the regular season. one thing I do know is that Biermann is able to line up in a lot of places whereas Ray can't. so Ray may be a better pass rusher but Biermann is a better defensive player. so did he lose his position or is this how Nolan wants to use him in his system?

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