#1 pick™ 571 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Not disagreeing but my point is it's a new NFL and MM's scheme was 80's and 90's Steelers. I think we needed to make that Julio play and get on page with the new NFL. I just hope we didn't wait a year too long to do it.MM system worked for our personnel, what else could he do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,953 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 In Atlanta MM has a QB who couldn't throw the ball with velocity passed 15 yards.Lol. Now u know that's false. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muskokas finest © 7,580 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Not disagreeing but my point is it's a new NFL and MM's scheme was 80's and 90's Steelers. I think we needed to make that Julio play and get on page with the new NFL. I just hope we didn't wait a year too long to do it.Agreed, but let's not claim this was some great snarling dog offense that was held back by Mike Mularkey's scheme leash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JulioisCoolio 4,264 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 MM system worked for our personnel, what else could he do?MM has ran the EXACT same system at every stop he's ever made coaching in the NFL. I guess every team has had the exact same personnel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,953 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 MM system worked for our personnel, what else could he do?And the talent outgrew his system. We need a scheme the players can play faster and that wasn't his system. Never has been. He's an old school steeler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
#1 pick™ 571 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Lol. Now u know that's false.You know Ryan can throw those 45 yard punts that have a lot of hangtime on them. Takes forever to come down and Julio has to wait for the ball to come and he is tackled shortly after. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muskokas finest © 7,580 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 You should talk about playing games.You obviously didn't read what I wrote or you wouldn't have responded the way you did.That might be plausible if it wasn't the first time you've played this game with me. Stop being conveniently opaque. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Gritz Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 And the talent outgrew his system. We need a scheme the players can play faster and that wasn't his system. Never has been. He's an old school steelerFatboi dropping a 10 megaton Truth Bomb there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
#1 pick™ 571 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 MM has ran the EXACT same system at every stop he's ever made coaching in the NFL. I guess every team has had the exact same personnel?His offense was different in Pitt and Miami. He had a lot of gadgets and it was run heavy. In Atlanta, we were more pass heavy. You play with the personnel you have. Turner is a workhorse, so was Ricky Williams and Bettis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
#1 pick™ 571 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 And the talent outgrew his system. We need a scheme the players can play faster and that wasn't his system. Never has been. He's an old school steelerHow so? We passed the ball a lot last year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,953 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Agreed, but let's not claim this was some great snarling dog offense that was held back by Mike Mularkey's scheme leash.Never said that. But that's what we hired to get the ball rolling. Now it's time to expand and get up to par with the weapons we have in a faster less thinking more feeling the game scheme. That's all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vel 32,037 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Vel you always let a coordinator interview for a promotion. Always. The MM decision process was made months before the Jones trade.The Julio trade was being considered just as long. So either they were all in with MM and the Julio trade was going to cement it or not. They knew they were going to make a move for Julio or AJ when MM was interviewing. So clearly they didn't make the trade with MM as the OC for the long haul or they wouldn't have been letting him interview for every opportunity. Still waiting on that explanation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconidae 21,325 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 That might be plausible if it wasn't the first time you've played this game with me. Stop being conveniently opaque.That's because it's not the first time you've responded to a post I didn't actually write-you skim something, miss the gist of it and get upset when I point out what happened.MM was here after the GB disaster because there was a lockout and there wasn't time to hire a new OC and have him implement his system.The Jones trade was made because they had a chance to get an amazing player that could play with Ryan for the next decade. No one from the Falcons ever claimed he was the final piece.Those two facts are not related. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,953 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Fatboi dropping a 10 megaton Truth Bomb there.It happens Gritzy. There was a slight down period when Holmgren left GB but McCarthy and his guys resurged the system and the talent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vel 32,037 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 How so? We passed the ball a lot last year.And this is where people lose credibility in their argument. The Cleveland Browns passed the ball more times than the Green Bay Packers. Who scheme was more pass oriented? I'll wait because it may be a tough answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muskokas finest © 7,580 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Never said that. But that's what we hired to get the ball rolling. Now it's time to expand and get up to par with the weapons we have in a faster less thinking more feeling the game scheme. That's all.Maybe not in so many words, but the general feeling here is that MM held this group back. In some ways he did and in others he protected their weaknesses and those of the defense. JUST LIKE MIKE SMITH ASKED HIM TO DO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,953 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 How so? We passed the ball a lot last year.Passing the ball alot didn't mean the scheme was outdated for what we're trying to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
#1 pick™ 571 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 The Julio trade was being considered just as long.So either they were all in with MM and the Julio trade was going to cement it or not. They knew they were going to make a move for Julio or AJ when MM was interviewing. So clearly they didn't make the trade with MM as the OC for the long haul or they wouldn't have been letting him interview for every opportunity.Still waiting on that explanation.I don't like when posters do what you just did. Make a true claim and then make a false claim to validate your true claim. I will underline what is true and bold what is false. Your employees are generally always interviewing especially for increased pay from their own team. It's not a sign that he won't be there for the long haul or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,953 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Maybe not in so many words, but the general feeling here is that MM held this group back. In some ways he did and in others he protected their weaknesses and those of the defense. JUST LIKE MIKE SMITH ASKED HIM TO DO.I can only speak for me and what I see. I don't think MM single handedly held us back but I do think the league caught up with what we like to do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,953 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Maybe not in so many words, but the general feeling here is that MM held this group back. In some ways he did and in others he protected their weaknesses and those of the defense. JUST LIKE MIKE SMITH ASKED HIM TO DO.Even Smitty had to reevaluate what is going on in the NFL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
#1 pick™ 571 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 And this is where people lose credibility in their argument. The Cleveland Browns passed the ball more times than the Green Bay Packers. Who scheme was more pass oriented? I'll wait because it may be a tough answer.Both were pass oriented. One just happen to be extremely effective and the other one didn't because of execution and talent. Mainly from the QB position and the Browns didn't have good weapons either. It wasn't a tough answer at all watching the games last year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SpoonSmacked 152 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 And the talent outgrew his system. We need a scheme the players can play faster and that wasn't his system. Never has been. He's an old school steelerAsk steelers fans how they feel about him. I know plenty and none of them had anything positive to say after we got him. His offenses always underachieve and the only production his players ever get is out of sheer volume. Don't believe me, then look up the numbers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon918 981 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I thought Mularkey's offense was to vanilla.Laurent Robinson is good and we should have kept him. Anyone could have seen that.Right.....you base that off one good year! We are not the only ones to let him go. Lets see how he does in Jax. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muskokas finest © 7,580 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 The Julio trade was being considered just as long.So either they were all in with MM and the Julio trade was going to cement it or not. They knew they were going to make a move for Julio or AJ when MM was interviewing. So clearly they didn't make the trade with MM as the OC for the long haul or they wouldn't have been letting him interview for every opportunity.Still waiting on that explanation.Vel, Julio had a bad foot and the team was considering AJ Green too. It was not JJ or bust.On the MM interviewing, unless your team is still active in the playoffs it is standard operating procedure to let your coordinators interview for HC slots and not an indictment of his future. Why keep him if they were so willing to let him go, as you say? That would be stupid to keep a guy you don't want, wouldn't it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
#1 pick™ 571 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) Passing the ball alot didn't mean the scheme was outdated for what we're trying to do.The scheme was based around our strengths, how is that outdated.Power running game -CheckPossession based WR's- CheckSmart reliable TE- CheckWeak Armed accurate QB- CheckThe offensive line was hidden when they became an issue at times as well. I am not understanding what you mean when you say it's outdated? Edited August 7, 2012 by Brett Favre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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