Yingers Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Vilma complaint outlines all alleged flaws in bounty casePosted by Mike Florio on July 1, 2012, 11:26 PM EDTSaints linebacker Jonathan Vilma may have passed on the opportunity to prove his case for innocence in front of Commissioner Roger Goodell, but Vilma has unloaded in a 27-page, 180-paragraph civil complaint.In Vilma’s new lawsuit against the NFL, a copy of which PFT has obtained, lawyer Peter Ginsberg details every alleged flaw in the case against Vilma, and to a certain extent the other players suspended for involvement in the Saints bounty program.Heavy on factual contentions and light on legal theories, the lawsuit requests only two things: (1) an order of “specific performance” requiring Goodell to rule on the bounty appeals; and (2) a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction preventing the league from implementing the suspension against Vilma if the suspension is upheld.Along the way, Ginsberg makes the following claims on behalf of Vilma:1. Vilma was willing to meet with Goodell before the one-year suspension was imposed, but Vilma wanted to review in advance the materials gathered by the league “‘which the NFL contend[ed] provided a basis to investigate Vilma.’” In exchange, “Vilma offered to provide the NFL with complete ‘detail[] [of] Vilma’s knowledge regarding [the Bounty Program] allegations.” The league declined to do so, so Vilma declined to meet with Goodell.2. Goodell issued a “gag order” on former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, preventing him from speaking to about about the investigation.3. Goodell made “personal conclusions and described possible discipline” of players in a March 21 press release, even though he had not disciplined any players and planned to eventually serve as the supposedly impartial arbitrator.Ginsberg also outlines the alleged flaws in the investigation, focusing on the follwing:1. The refusal to make certain witnesses available at the June 18 appeal hearing;2. The failure to deliver the exhibits to be introduced at the June 18 appeal hearing within three days (i.e., 72 hours) of the start of the hearing;3. The production of only 16 exhibits consisting of 182 pages from a file that supposedly includes 18,000 total documents and 50,000 total pages;4. The failure to produce any notes taken during witness interviews;5. The failure to produce original documents;6. The refusal to produce any potentially exculpatory evidence;7. The reliance on documents generated after the discipline were imposed;8. The alleged mischaracterization of the Anthony Hargrove declaration;9. The alleged mischaracterization of the Anthony Hargrove video from the 2009 NFC title game;10. The alleged mischaracterization of the September 2011 Mike Ornstein email message regarding an alleged $5,000 bounty on Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers;11. The failure to include the September 2011 Mike Ornstein email message in the evidence to be introduced at the appeal hearing;12. The alleged mischaracterization of the 2009 email message from Ornstein to Williams, which Vilma claims reflects a commitment by Ornstein to contribute money to Williams’ charitable organization (Ornstein allegedly explained this to Goodell, urging him to confirm it via the charity’s financial documents);13. Ornstein’s contradiction of the claim that he corroborated the allegation that Vilma placed a $10,000 bounty on Brett Favre prior to the 2009 NFC title game;14. The failure to make Ornstein available to testify at the June 18 appeal hearing or to produce notes of his interview(s);15. The strong denial by Saints interim coach Joe Vitt that Vilma placed a bounty on Favre or anyone else;16. The failure of the league to disclose that Williams never acknowledged to the NFL the existence of a bounty program;17. The alleged problems with the ledger information apparently leaked to Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports on June 1, 2012, and the failure of the league to introduce the ledger as evidence at the June 18 appeal hearing;18. The reliance upon the statements of Mike Cerullo, a disgruntled former Saints employee;19. The problems with the typewritten version of handwritten notes regarding the bounty on Vikings quarterback Brett Favre, which Vilma contends were created “well after” the 2009 NFC title game;20. The failure to issue a ruling on the appeal by Monday June 25, 2012, one full week after appeal hearings at which Vilma offered no substantive defense.It’s unknown whether Vilma will get a chance to prove all of these allegations, and whether his ability to do so will result in his suspension being overturned. It’s clear, however, that “Phase Two” has begun — and that it could last a lot longer than Phase One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashmouthjoe Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 All lawyer baloney. They have Vilma on video saying "Give me my money" when Favre went down.Reminds me of the "COPS" show when the bad guys all say, "It wasn't my dope, I ain't did nothin'" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_D Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Last ditch attempt to save face. Kind of like anyone handed a stiff sentence in a criminal case and throwing shet on a wall in hopes that something sticks. Human nature. Waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_D Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 All lawyer baloney. They have Vilma on video saying "Give me my money" when Favre went down.Reminds me of the "COPS" show when the bad guys all say, "It wasn't my dope, I ain't did nothin'"Better than that, when parents find weed in their son or daughters bedroom and the response is "I'm holding it for my friend". The ignorant taint fans believe in their hearts that this whole issue is made up by Goodell. Not withstanding several guilty pleas and appologies already. Good God, it's ashame we can't fix stupid. But then who really gives a shet about those tards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yingers Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 All lawyer baloney. They have Vilma on video saying "Give me my money" when Favre went down.Are you certain about your facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 The NFL doesn't have to provide jack. It's it's own entity with a CBA giving it the authority to punish how it sees fit.The NFL doesn't want to release all the evidence of the Saints corruption because it wants to protect the Shield,and if you morons had a clue, PROTECT THE SAINTS as well. The idiots in New Orleans can't seem to grasp that. If the Saints were getting jobbed, Benson and some of the other owners would be out front raising **** about this.There are lawyers already using this case as evidence in their lawsuits against the NFL.This is a waste of time and money on VIlma's part. There is no burden of proof in this case like there is in the prosecution of a crime. Quit trying to prove something you can;'t. Your team cheated, lied about it, got caught, and now they are paying for it.Your team and their championship is a fraud. As far as Atlanta Falcons fans are concerned. We don't care. It's pathetic how desperate you are for our recognition.Take your punishment like a man, and take the tinfoil hat off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Since no one else will, I'd be proud to:TATF.....Most of us simply don't care any longer.Take it to RC, Around the NFL or Taint Report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!I don't see why people think Goodell is just targeting the Taints. He's been making money off of them since Katrina... -__- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yingers Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 Last ditch attempt to save face. Kind of like anyone handed a stiff sentence in a criminal case and throwing shet on a wall in hopes that something sticks. Human nature. Waste of time.Only a waste of time if your hoping any of this will give you better than a slim chance to beat us this year.I knew you couldn't resist big_D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yingers Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) The NFL doesn't have to provide jack. It's it's own entity with a CBA giving it the authority to punish how it sees fit.The NFL doesn't want to release all the evidence of the Saints corruption because it wants to protect the Shield,and if you morons had a clue, PROTECT THE SAINTS as well. The idiots in New Orleans can't seem to grasp that. If the Saints were getting jobbed, Benson and some of the other owners would be out front raising **** about this.There are lawyers already using this case as evidence in their lawsuits against the NFL.This is a waste of time and money on VIlma's part. There is no burden of proof in this case like there is in the prosecution of a crime. Quit trying to prove something you can;'t. Your team cheated, lied about it, got caught, and now they are paying for it.Your team and their championship is a fraud. As far as Atlanta Falcons fans are concerned. We don't care. It's pathetic how desperate you are for our recognition.Take your punishment like a man, and take the tinfoil hat off.They are no more guilty than any Falcon defense.They have a championship whether you can deal with it or not. Looks like you can't. Edited July 2, 2012 by Yingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 They are no more guilty than any Falcon defense.They have a championship whether you can deal with it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 They are no more guilty than any Falcon defense.They have a championship whether you can deal with it or not. Looks like you can't.Why are you here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Why are you here?You might as well ask a parasitic mosquito why it invades a picnic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yingers Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 Why are you here?To see which of you can handle an article that is not anti-Saints. Posting where everyone agrees with me is not much fun.This article was for Peyton and the few others with an open mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yingers Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 Stirring the pot for Gritz, Paulitik, and big_D, was just icing on the cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_D Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Stirring the pot for Gritz, Paulitik, and big_D, was just icing on the cake.That's why you are here? You need to get a life dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonballsghost Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Stirring the pot for Gritz, Paulitik, and big_D, was just icing on the cake. NO life at all huh ? jack offs like you should be banned from this board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fibonacci Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 who gives a banana split on this pathetic matter. fact is saints suck a banana and are so proud of it they made it their symbol.so go suck on some nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_D Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 NO life at all huh ? jack offs like you should be banned from this boardBanned because I'm a Falcon fan on a Falcon forum? SUCK IT you pathetic terd. Go elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yingers Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 I see none of you can actually make an intelligent comment about the merits of the article. The kindergarten attacks on the poster shows the immaturity of a lot of you.I know there are some intelligent Falcon fans out there. Can anyone point me in their direction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonballsghost Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Banned because I'm a Falcon fan on a Falcon forum? SUCK IT you pathetic terd. Go elsewhere. I've been a falcons fans since there has been a Falcons and I quoted the wrong post , when I'm wrong I say so and I'm doing so now it was meant for zinger not yousam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonballsghost Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I see none of you can actually make an intelligent comment about the merits of the article. The kindergarten attacks on the poster shows the immaturity of a lot of you.I know there are some intelligent Falcon fans out there. Can anyone point me in their direction? thats more than can be said about Ain'ts fans...........all of them are deluded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fibonacci Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I see none of you can actually make an intelligent comment about the merits of the article. The kindergarten attacks on the poster shows the immaturity of a lot of you.I know there are some intelligent Falcon fans out there. Can anyone point me in their direction?yeah go to the taints message board.they have a lot of nuts you can suck on over there.....it is a wonderful banana split just for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yingers Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 yeah go to the taints message board.they have a lot of nuts you can suck on over there.....it is a wonderful banana split just for you.Exhibit A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vabchbirdlover Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Smoke and mirriors and who the #$@$cares! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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