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  1. 1. who will be starting center at the start of the season?

    • Konz
      3
    • Hawley
      20
    • McClure
      55
  2. 2. who will be starting center at week 8?

    • Mcclure
      31
    • Hawley
      29
    • Konz
      18


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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1219819-2012-atlanta-falcons-joe-hawley-will-win-the-starting-job-at-center

Everyone is talking about Peter Konz, the Atlanta Falcons 2012 second-round pick as the man who will be playing center long term. However, the man who will start for the Falcons in 2012 is Joe Hawley, the fourth-round pick in the 2010 draft.

Few know about the unheralded Hawley.

He's one of those guys on the offensive line that every coach loves. He's tough, gritty and one of the more intelligent center/guards in the NFL. Hawley has also proven as one of the guys that the Falcons can't keep off the field. In his first two years, he has played in 31 out of 32 games and started 12 out of 16 in 2011 and the playoff game in New York at either center or guard (via NFL.com).

Hawley also played 941 out of a potential 1,212 snaps in the offense in 2012. Hawley is starting to remind fans of a younger Todd McClure, the Falcons long-time starter at center.

McClure was someone who didn't play a game his rookie year but developed into someone that couldn't be kept off the field in the 2000 season and hasn't been off the field since outside of four games missed due to injury.

With McClure already 35 years old and in his likely final season in the NFL, he will be competing for his job with Hawley. Hawley, a 23-year-old with game experience, has the potential to end up in the Pro Bowl if he continues on his current track. Pat Yasinskas of ESPN has noted that in 2012:

I’d look for the depth chart to change, especially on the offensive line and at middle linebacker, as the Falcons get into training camp and the preseason. I really think the Falcons would like to start
at center, rookie
at guard and second-year pro
at middle linebacker.

When the coaching staff has new coordinators come in, players are evaluated much differently and much more equally. Dirk Koetter came into the Falcons to take over the offense and brought with him Pat Hill to take over the offensive line.

Hill's motto of "Play Hard" is something that Hawley embodies and with the new screen game brought in by Koetter, the athleticism of the 6'3" 300-pound center will be an advantage over McClure.

JoeHawley_crop_north.jpg?w=325&h=223&q=75 The throwback isn't just the jersey but the man in it.

Another thing to look at between Hawley and McClure is that this is the first time they will be given a true competition.

Prior to 2012, Mike Smith and Mike Mularkey had handed the job to McClure as he was the long-term leader of the offensive line. However, with a new scheme, a changup of guard might be needed.

With Hawley will come better pass protection from the center position, as he allowed just three combined pressures in his four games starting. And with second-round pick Peter Konz and 2007 second-round pick Justin Blalock flanking him on both sides, Hawley should see an improvement in the push created around him for the running game.

Blogging Dirty's Greg Huseth brings up a point about John Clayton's Theory of 150 saying the Falcons in 2011 were too close to the 150 point to be effective. The Theory of 150 states that the total age of the offensive line should not exceed 150, and once it does, it is on the verge of a long-term meltdown.

The Falcons—should they start Hawley (23), Konz (23) and eventually Holmes (23) to go with Clabo (30) and Blalock (28)—will be at least 23 combined years under the 150-point. This means they should have at least four seasons to keep the line together until they would have to replace a key cog or two.

When people held the Falcons 2010 offensive line in high esteem, it was because they had three years of chemistry already built up. It's time to re-start that chemistry for the long term and the best way to do that is to start Hawley in the 2012 season.

Hawley will be the long-term best fit for the Falcons at center, and he has been groomed for two years to take over for the center spot. It makes too much sense to have him earn the job in the 2012 season and take over right away as the long-term leader in the middle of the offensive line.

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did not know Hawley had that many snaps.

have never heard of the 150-point age of the line.

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I am unsure on this one who will start and who will start by week 8.

I will say that if Hawley starts, then McClure will not make the team.

I do feel Hawley and McClure will be mainly the ones battling for this position. I see more so Konz battling at guard position; but who knows he might show he wants to be the number one center and push Hawley to guard and push McClure of the 53-man roster.

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Gotta go with the leader of the Oline.

Ryan Todd McClure. Born in 1977.

If he's healthy he will lock the spot down in the first and second half of the season. Trust me.

I've seen every Falcon center and buddy is one of the two best.

Here is our Oline leader folks. #62. Leading.

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Last year he was our 3rd best lineman behind Justin and Clabbo. He is still a good center no one can debate that but age and father time always win. And the younger generation always catch up. Can he whole off Konz for a year yes and if he do it will be a good thing. It will give konz a year to learn calls at the center position and get him a couple of snaps at the guard position. But if Konz dont win the RG battle he will be looking at Todd for the center job. And you are correct a leader is a hard thing to replace even if the next guy is more talented.

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Holmes - Blalock - McClure - Konz - Clabo

plz..

I thought this too, but I can see how at this point Hawley may be better than McClure. McClure is a great teammate but he doesn't get a push anymore and he's a little shaky in pass pro. If we opted to put off re-signing him until after the draft to see how it would play out I bet he wouldn't be a Falcon right now. Either way he'll be a good mentor and team leader.

I really thought kind was taken to be the center in 2013, but perhaps I was wrong their as well. Maybe he was the best OL on the board and he filled a need at C and G and we think he can be a stud guard. If Hawley falters then I'm certain Konz would slide inside to center, but if he does well maybe they keep Konz as a guard since he'd be much better at it than Hawley or Mike Johnson. Good thing is if Hawley ever gets hurt we can move Konz inside to center and bring up one of our guards like Johnson so we're covered with quality depth at all spots on the line now......holy smokes.

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Turner up the gut for 4? Sorry wrong thread.

Gotta go with the leader of the Oline.

Ryan Todd McClure. Born in 1977.

If he's healthy he will lock the spot down in the first and second half of the season. Trust me.

I've seen every Falcon center and buddy is one of the two best.

Here is our Oline leader folks. #62. Leading.

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I am unsure on this one who will start and who will start by week 8.

I will say that if Hawley starts, then McClure will not make the team.

I do feel Hawley and McClure will be mainly the ones battling for this position. I see more so Konz battling at guard position; but who knows he might show he wants to be the number one center and push Hawley to guard and push McClure of the 53-man roster.

thanks for the link to the article man! And idk. from what I'm hearing the staff wants to keep McClure on the roster this year no matter what, and Hawley isn't looking like someone who will let himself be cut.

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Scott Carasik predicts that Joe Hawley will end up as Atlanta’s starting center. I think that’s entirely possible and I think that’s what the Atlanta coaching staff wants. Yeah, the Falcons used a second-round pick on Peter Konz, who played center at Wisconsin. But the Falcons have been working him as a guard so far and I think that’s where they want to keep him. At 6-foot-5, Konz is much taller than the traditional center, but he is the perfect size for guard. Veteran center Todd McClure is going to fight to keep his starting job. But McClure is near the end of the road and the Falcons want to get younger on the offensive line. The best way to do that is with Hawley at center, which might be his natural position, and Konz at guard.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/36035/around-the-nfc-south-321
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I am leaning towards McClure. The guy still rated out as 5th best C last year didn't he? Or was that just in pass protection? He would definitely have the upper hand if we still had the same Offense and O line coach, but if Pat Hill changes things up a good bit then I could see that gap closed some.

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I think it's much more likely for it to look like this week one:

LT - Baker/Svitek

LG - Blalock

C - Hawley

RG - Konz

RT - Clabo

Holmes won't win the LT job till week 5-8

You're right. For some reason I read Holmes as someone else. I'm thinking Svitek will be there Week 1, Baker has proven he's not a worthy starter, and Svitek did alright when thrown in there. Nothing special though

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My guess for week one is:

Baker/Blaylock/Hawley/Konz/Clabo

Konz is a great fit at RG. He does an amazing job at pulling, which is needed at the OG spot.

IF Mike Johnson or Vince Manuwai go gangbusters, it could force the team to play Konz at center. Konz WILL start day one though.

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Gotta go with the leader of the Oline.

Ryan Todd McClure. Born in 1977.

If he's healthy he will lock the spot down in the first and second half of the season. Trust me.

I've seen every Falcon center and buddy is one of the two best.

Here is our Oline leader folks. #62. Leading.

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Not that i trust you but i certainly agree here.

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I have to say that I like Konz and Manuwai winning the interior spots as well, but it's hard to deny the team's love for Hawley. If Hawley wins, that means he beat McClure or McClure is out of gas, I'd say the former because if McClure is out of gas, they better put Konz at C and let Manuwai and Johnson fight for the RG spot.

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Flawed analysis if you are going to compare Hawley at Center and don't talk anything about how bad Hawley was at Center.

Joe Hawley played only 230 Snaps at Center starting in 3 games and played significant time in another one. When he played at Center he was blown out by guys like Milton and Mike Patterson who are unknown commodities in NFL. Hawley pretty much made unknown players look like Pro Bowlers and sucked at Center. I like the idea of getting younger at Center position but only if some one can beat out McClure who was graded in top 6 among center last year and gave up 0 sacks and least amount of QB hits and QB pr in the whole team. Unless Pat Hill is a Wizard who can turn Hawley in to top 10 center I would say Konz has better chance long term to replace McClure.

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Flawed analysis if you are going to compare Hawley at Center and doesn't talk anything about how bad Hawley was at Center.

Joe Hawley played only 230 Snaps at Center starting in 3 games and played significant time in another one. When he played at Center he was blown out by guys like Milton and Mike Patterson who are unknown commodities in NFL. Hawley pretty much made unknown players look like Pro Bowlers and sucked at Center. I like the idea of getting younger at Center position but only if some one can beat out McClure who was graded in top 6 among center last year and gave up 0 sacks and least amount of QB hits and QB pr in the whole team. Unless Pat Hill is a Wizard who can turn Hawley in to top 10 center I would say Konz has better chance long term to replace McClure.

Yep .............

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Flawed analysis if you are going to compare Hawley at Center and don't talk anything about how bad Hawley was at Center.

Joe Hawley played only 230 Snaps at Center starting in 3 games and played significant time in another one. When he played at Center he was blown out by guys like Milton and Mike Patterson who are unknown commodities in NFL. Hawley pretty much made unknown players look like Pro Bowlers and sucked at Center. I like the idea of getting younger at Center position but only if some one can beat out McClure who was graded in top 6 among center last year and gave up 0 sacks and least amount of QB hits and QB pr in the whole team. Unless Pat Hill is a Wizard who can turn Hawley in to top 10 center I would say Konz has better chance long term to replace McClure.

not even close. at center, he wasn't even lined up directly across either of those 3-technique defensive tackles. Garrett Reynolds was. He was forced to cover for Reynolds mistakes.

All this being said, the Falcons staff brought in Konz to play right guard, not center.

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