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California May Require Teaching of Gay History

By JENNIFER MEDINA

Published: April 15, 2011

LOS ANGELES — In California public schools, students are required to learn about black history and women’s history. And if a bill approved by the State Senate this week becomes law, the state will become the first in the country to mandate that schools also teach gay history.

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If you are going to force the kids in California to learn about European history, when most dont even have any connection to that continent, then why is gay so bad?

If you live in the U.S. you have a connection to Europe. It doesn't mean you have a genetic link but you have a link through how this country was formed. Believe it or not that's important.

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If you live in the U.S. you have a connection to Europe. It doesn't mean you have a genetic link but you have a link through how this country was formed. Believe it or not that's important.

Technically we all have a connection to Africa... But when do they teach you anything about it outside of slavery... I bet half the kids think Egypt is located in the middle east and not on Africa...

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According to some on the right gays don't have history or they shouldn't because it's a choice.

Even if it's a "choice" for argument sake there's still a history behind it. Staying on the "choice" track , kids are forced to learn about slavery which was a "choice" made by many families in this country, given that it's no different than learning about the "choice" of being gay. "Choices" tend to shape history, what's the harm in learning about one more?

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Technically we all have a connection to Africa... But when do they teach you anything about it outside of slavery... I bet half the kids think Egypt is located in the middle east and not on Africa...

What school system did you grow up in? I attended several, in several different states and we learned different aspects of Africa throughout the years. (All public schools) I went to school in New York, Colorado, New Jersey and Virginia.

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What school system did you grow up in? I attended several, in several different states and we learned different aspects of Africa throughout the years. (All public schools) I went to school in New York, Colorado, New Jersey and Virginia.

learn anything about Kemet? Most of what you hear about Africa is around slavery or realating to Greeks and Romans.

I grew up in NC... All I can remember is European studies...

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School is for learning the basics, reading, math, science, history, languages, writing. CA is NOW going to specify Gay history, although I thought HISTORY was HISTORY but now we have to make sure some gay facts are included. How stupid. If an inportant part of history included a gay person, which is numerous, do you POINT out his Gayness? No. These liberal ideals being pushed on the education process is part and parcel to WHY our public educated students flounder. Its not money, its politics and corruption.

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School is for learning the basics, reading, math, science, history, languages, writing. CA is NOW going to specify Gay history, although I thought HISTORY was HISTORY but now we have to make sure some gay facts are included. How stupid. If an inportant part of history included a gay person, which is numerous, do you POINT out his Gayness? No. These liberal ideals being pushed on the education process is part and parcel to WHY our public educated students flounder. Its not money, its politics and corruption.

Sometimes, it's nice to know someone like you can achieve something.

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and the second line that you somehow left out....

While the bill does not set specific requirements about what should be taught to students, it does say that contributions of gays and lesbians in the state and country must be included in social science instruction. So Harvey Milk, one of the first openly gay elected officials in the state, and Bayard Rustin, a civil rights activist, may take a prominent place in the state’s history books.

I see no problem with this at all and can see why no one would. But your post is a fine example of telling half the story and only the half that fits your agenda.

Other parts of the article I cannot see any thinking person having a problem with:

“It is very basic to me that people dislike and fear that with which we are less familiar,” said Mark Leno, who sponsored the bill and is one of the first openly gay men elected to the State Senate. Students who come to view their fellow classmates as regular members of society, rather than misfits, will find that “their behavior changes for the better,” Mr. Leno said.

Carolyn Laub, the director of the Gay-Straight Alliance Network, who lobbied for the legislation, cited the experience of an Orange County student as an example of how the law might work. When the student learned that the civil rights protests of the 1960s would be discussed in history class, he asked the teacher to talk about the Stonewall riots.

“Suddenly students see he is part of a broader community, and they have a much better understanding of that community in the context of the rest of the world,” Ms. Laub said. “It has absolutely nothing to do with sex; it’s about entire communities that are left out.”

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School is for learning the basics, reading, math, science, history, languages, writing. CA is NOW going to specify Gay history, although I thought HISTORY was HISTORY but now we have to make sure some gay facts are included. How stupid. If an inportant part of history included a gay person, which is numerous, do you POINT out his Gayness? No. These liberal ideals being pushed on the education process is part and parcel to WHY our public educated students flounder. Its not money, its politics and corruption.

So if history is just history, what difference does it make to you if Obama is Kenyan, a socialist, is arrogant or who he befriended in college?

You seem to very hypocritical.

In school, I remember being taught General Custer was a hero . i grew up to learn he was an egomaniac and that he was genocidal.

But history is just history right?

Like some pointed out, when you learn that gay people have contributed to society , maybe it will ease up on the hate that comes from being ignorant on the subject.

We read biographies all the time on scientists, great people in history, mathematicians etc, and you seem to think all this is disconnected from the subjects themselves. Why would it be?

And I notice you did not include social studies, under which this would surely fall. Do you not believe in teaching social studies? If not, why?

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and the second line that you somehow left out....

While the bill does not set specific requirements about what should be taught to students, it does say that contributions of gays and lesbians in the state and country must be included in social science instruction. So Harvey Milk, one of the first openly gay elected officials in the state, and Bayard Rustin, a civil rights activist, may take a prominent place in the state’s history books.

I see no problem with this at all and can see why no one would. But your post is a fine example of telling half the story and only the half that fits your agenda.

Other parts of the article I cannot see any thinking person having a problem with:

“It is very basic to me that people dislike and fear that with which we are less familiar,” said Mark Leno, who sponsored the bill and is one of the first openly gay men elected to the State Senate. Students who come to view their fellow classmates as regular members of society, rather than misfits, will find that “their behavior changes for the better,” Mr. Leno said.

Carolyn Laub, the director of the Gay-Straight Alliance Network, who lobbied for the legislation, cited the experience of an Orange County student as an example of how the law might work. When the student learned that the civil rights protests of the 1960s would be discussed in history class, he asked the teacher to talk about the Stonewall riots.

“Suddenly students see he is part of a broader community, and they have a much better understanding of that community in the context of the rest of the world,” Ms. Laub said. “It has absolutely nothing to do with sex; it’s about entire communities that are left out.”

You obviously MISS the entire point. Gay history, black history, etc. is HISTORY. Why pull things out and Insert, GAY or anyother difference. Its fu.kd up. Here's another CA story.

School pulls patriotic song at graduation, but Bieber's 'Baby' is OK...

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Even if it's a "choice" for argument sake there's still a history behind it. Staying on the "choice" track , kids are forced to learn about slavery which was a "choice" made by many families in this country, given that it's no different than learning about the "choice" of being gay. "Choices" tend to shape history, what's the harm in learning about one more?

Exactly that was my point.

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Ah, yes, another snak sensationalized, editorialized headline. What makes it even better is that it's not even news since it's well over a year old. All this does is slightly modify already existing history classes to point out the contributions made by people of the LBGT community. You're right though, as long as we're going to dig up old news to manufacture outrage why not bring up repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell and how that will bring a cataclysm to the military and United States at large!

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If you live in the U.S. you have a connection to Europe. It doesn't mean you have a genetic link but you have a link through how this country was formed. Believe it or not that's important.

If you live in California, you have a connection to homosexuals. It doesnt mean you actually know any, but you have a link with the identity of the state. Believe it or not that's important.

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I thought states and local government should be free to make whatever decisions they like without federal involvement. What happened to "states' rights" and federalism among conservatives?

Acworth, was this Bill voted on by the citizens of california?

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School is for learning the basics, reading, math, science, history, languages, writing. CA is NOW going to specify Gay history, although I thought HISTORY was HISTORY but now we have to make sure some gay facts are included. How stupid. If an inportant part of history included a gay person, which is numerous, do you POINT out his Gayness? No. These liberal ideals being pushed on the education process is part and parcel to WHY our public educated students flounder. Its not money, its politics and corruption.

Maybe if you grew up in a classroom like this:

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learn anything about Kemet? Most of what you hear about Africa is around slavery or realating to Greeks and Romans.

I grew up in NC... All I can remember is European studies...

I guess I was on a different program than you because at one point in 6th grade I could tell you the GDP of all African and Asian countries. I agree most history classes gloss over the importance of Africa as a region of the world but not all.

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