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the one thing it shows pretty clearly... Mole boy knew of this before it was released yet he still claims "show me evidence"

how did u get that from reading this???? all brees knew was this guy had a tape of a speech and he was told about it by fujita also if u read the whole thing u would notice...all his juiciest quotes of fujita and brees dont have a text msg. to confirm them....he shows ya a little truth to try and get u to belive the whole thing......

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pages of this for just talking about releasing audio of the game before the niners? I could have summed it all up in a paragraph, and I write lengthy stuff. I did get out of it though there was a lot more that has not been said to public and fujita knows it and apparently vilma has no clue.

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i clicked on the link.... I saw how small the sidebar thing got (meaning its long) .... im straight..... ill take Peytons opinion...

My opinion wasn't based on the article. This article was written by the guy who released the audiotape, and I didn't think he should have done that against the wishes of the guy who he was making a documentary about.

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After reading this makes you wonder what and how much Drew Brees knew. Looks like the guy who wrote this was caught in the middle with pretty powerful people and trying to clean up his name. Bring on Greg Williams on the stand already and while we are at it talk about the Vicodin pills too.

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Just saw the Pat Y article..... Lidten.. I dont like the fact that This dude released it without Gleason props... I will say this... I hate ppl that lie to save their own *** .... It looks like all the saints did was lie to save their own ***

It look like Fujita wanted this out so Greg Williams could take all the blame and the players get none

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Yes I am.

I just skimmed it.

Ok, we apparently took much different things away from the article. Probably had much different impressions of him to begin with.

Do you believe him when he said that the people involved gave their permission for him to go ahead with the video of Williams and then lied about that in public?

Do you think it was a difficult decision for him to release the video?

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http://sports.yahoo....kEgSUflNrY5nYcB

Sources: New Orleans Saints kept a 'ledger' detailing weekly earnings in bounty scandal

Two sources with knowledge of the NFL's evidence in the New Orleans Saints bounty scandal said Friday that the league has a copy of a "ledger" that was kept detailing weekly earnings for players.

The ledger, which shows both money earned for "cart-offs" and "whacks" and deducted for "mental errors," also points to the fact that players were told on a week-by-week basis of their performance.

According to sources, the NFL showed portions of the ledger during meetings with some of those who have been investigated in the scandal.

"The players clearly knew what was going each week with the payments," a source told Yahoo! Sports. In fact, multiple sources admitted that Saints defensive players would regularly encourage teammates to put money earned from the bounty system back into the pool. It's unclear if that was to increase the potential winnings or eventually use the money for some other purpose.

Regardless of whether the money was paid out or not, the mere implication of a cash payment for such plays is considered a violation of league rules.

NFL Players Association spokesman George Atallah said via text message that the league "made mention" of the ledger in a meeting with the union in April, but that the NFLPA had not seen the ledger yet.

As a result, Atallah called into question the use of the ledger as "evidence."

"I guess it either qualifies as evidence, which means fair due process was violated because [the] players didn't get to see it before they were punished or it is not hard evidence because they didn't get to see it and cross examine the validity of that piece of evidence," Atallah wrote.

[Related: Saints' Jonathan Vilma said he didn't get to see evidence]

This news comes in the aftermath of a declaration Friday by filmmaker Sean Pamphilon that he was encouraged by former New Orleans linebacker Scott Fujita to release an audio recording of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, first obtained by Yahoo! Sports, in which Williams exhorts players to hurt members of the San Francisco 49ers in a playoff game last season.

Implicit within Pamphilon's 10,000-word description of the circumstances is that players such as Fujita and New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees and the NFL Players Association were attempting to push more of the blame for the bounty scandal onto Williams and the coaching staff.

Fujita, who did not immediately return a text seeking comment, is one of four players who has been suspended for his participation in the bounty scandal.

The ledger could prove to be extremely damning to the players' cause. Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma has filed a defamation lawsuit against NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in federal court in Louisiana, claiming he never paid nor received money for bounties.

Vilma's claim may ultimately be a matter of semantics.

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While the ledger doesn't necessarily prove that there was an actual transaction, it is potentially strong evidence that such a system existed. In the ledger, payments of $1,000 for cart-offs (a hit that resulted in a player being helped off the field), $400 for whacks (hard hits) and $100 deductions for mental errors were kept track of for each player.

Two specific entries for the 2009 season were shown during one meeting. In a game at Buffalo on Sept. 27, 2009, there were three $1,000 awards. In a game against the New York Giants on Oct. 18, there was a $1,000 bounty awarded for one cart-off.

There was also a notation that after one game an opposing player who had been carted off was placed on injured reserve. The notation of the player on IR included an exclamation mark.

"The players knew what their actions were for," the source said.

In addition, Pamphilon's accusation against Fujita, who is a player representative to the NFLPA, potentially brings up a contradiction over the defense by the players, who have been arguing that the bounty system didn't exist. Aside from the existence of the ledger, the effort by the players to push the blame for the system onto Williams by having Pamphilon release the audio tape is a tacit admission that the bounty system existed.

Or as one source said: "You can't have it both ways. You can't argue it didn't happen and then argue somebody else forced you to do it."

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After reading this makes you wonder what and how much Drew Brees knew. Looks like the guy who wrote this was caught in the middle with pretty powerful people and trying to clean up his name. Bring on Greg Williams on the stand already and while we are at it talk about the Vicodin pills too.

Real interesting phrasing in Brees first public statement. He says he didn't participate in any bounties and he had no knowledge relating to its [bounties] real existence.

Never heard anyone say "real existence" in conversation ever. My interpretation of that is, if it can be proven that he heard some players talking about it, he'll claim he thought it was a joke.

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Ok, we apparently took much different things away from the article. Probably had much different impressions of him to begin with.

Do you believe him when he said that the people involved gave their permission for him to go ahead with the video of Williams and then lied about that in public?

Do you think it was a difficult decision for him to release the video?

Let me be blunt. I think this guy is a scumbag. He didn't help anybody by releasing that audio, he only hurt people.

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Let me be blunt. I think this guy is a scumbag. He didn't help anybody by releasing that audio, he only hurt people.

Wow, usually, even when we disagree, I understand your point of view, I don't on this.

Doesn't change your mind at all that he got permission for the other people involved and then they lied about that afterwards?

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Real interesting phrasing in Brees first public statement. He says he didn't participate in any bounties and he had no knowledge relating to its [bounties] real existence.

Never heard anyone say "real existence" in conversation ever. My interpretation of that is, if it can be proven that he heard some players talking about it, he'll claim he thought it was a joke.

I found that interesting as well.

If it comes out he DID know about it then he becomes a very very marked man..

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Wow, usually, even when we disagree, I understand your point of view, I don't on this.

Doesn't change your mind at all that he got permission for the other people involved and then they lied about that afterwards?

He didn't get permission from the Saints.

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