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NEW YORK -- The NFL and NFL Players Association are meeting on Monday, with heavy-hitters in the room to discuss potential sanctions against players in the Saints' "bounty" scandal.

Union officials arrived at 11 a.m. ET, with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith leading New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees and ex-Saints LB Scott Fujita, now with the Cleveland Browns, in the league office at 345 Park Ave.

Both Brees and Fujita are members of the NFLPA's executive committee. Fujita is one of the central figures among the players involved in the NFL's three-year investigation.

Ohhhh and it gets better.... this is like a bad punch line

The union was aware of the tape before it was released by Pamphilon, and issued a statement Monday confirming that.

"The NFLPA was aware of the existence of the Gregg Williams audio prior to its release," the statement said.

http://www.nfl.com/n...1_breaking_news

So all this fair investigation stuff Saints fans where begging for from the NFPA. Is being handled by 1 person involved in bounty gate and the QB and face of the franchise of the team being investigated.

To try and figure out what should happen to players. All this talk of the NFLPA not having evidence and its the NFLs fault. Now we see is lies and that the PA had the audio even before it got released.

But its a bad joke. Brees and Fujita should not even be allowed in on this discussion and shows just how much a joke the PA really is and has always been. These 2 guys are some of the top guys for the PA and yet 1 is involved in bounty gate while the other is the face of the city.

People wonder why Goodell didn't give 2 craps what the PA thought. When its top people are mixed up in it. Agenda`s.

Had this been the Falcons, Bucs or panthers the entire franchise would be banned for the season. I really see Brees going out his way to prove the Falcons would have been innocent.

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I know right.... I have to say though. Wanna see something crazy. TMZ has a video of Tupac as a hologram performing on stage. That was cool and kinda tripped out. Its one of those mornings. No sleep, to much to do and nothing to talk about really.

But id rather it be non involved people so when the punishment comes down, the agenda tag of protecting their own, isnt on it. But i know it will probably be there anyways. Its the Players union and thats what they do. protect the players.

But they should not suspend all the players at once. If its 1 or 2 games. Yeah maybe suspend them together unless its more than 2 people. If more than 2 it should be split time. But if its like 5 people the Saints should be allowed to suspend their players and suspend more when those others serve. Like 2 for 2 weeks and 2 others 1s for 2 more weeks. Instead of 4 players for 2 weeks.

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I dont understand.

The NFLPA is out to represent the players.

They have access to 2 of the players who can best represent the interest of the NFLPA.

These players can bring first hand testimony and knowledge as eyewitnesses.

Why wouldnt the NFLPA want these players involved?

I also dont understand your logic about the Saints determining when these players serve their suspensions.

Likely many players, like Fujita, dont even play for the Saints anymore.

Suspending players is a league action.

I'm not sure the union would be too keen on the team making decisions on how that should happen.

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The NFL lowered the boom on management authoritatively. As abhorrent as the GW audio is, it does not constitute evidence of a pay-for-injure scheme to justify player sanctions.

They'll have to provide some of the abundant evidence to the NFLPA before going any further.

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I dont understand.

The NFLPA is out to represent the players.

They have access to 2 of the players who can best represent the interest of the NFLPA.

These players can bring first hand testimony and knowledge as eyewitnesses.

Why wouldnt the NFLPA want these players involved?

Really you cant understand that? Thats like asking Vick if he was fighting dogs? Of course he is gonna say no.

Why would Brees want any players on the saints suspended (it hurts his team this year) and why would The Browns player wanna be suspended if he could talk his way out of it?

Basically the 2 least creditable people you could have there is the 2 that are there. Would you want 2 players on the bounty list being the 2 players trying to establish the bounty system didnt happen? Or would you want Bret Favre being a player who investigates this and to prove there never was 1?

Those 2 players have a agenda and should not be allowed any where near this. The fact they are 2 top people in the PA and where on the team accused is reason alone they should no be there. Its not about being fair or proof. Its about protecting your butt and protecting your history and your team mates.

The fact the PA even had the gull to send them 2 is a joke. Saints fans wanna say proof. Its not about proving them guilty. Its about them finding ways to get out of any proof they have. Like the Audio. The PA could have released it but chose not to and pretend they had nothing. Why? because it hurts their case. They would rather keep stuff like that secret until they can find a way around it. Like a defense lawyer. Its not about proving guilt. Its about finding ways out of it.

How many hits do players make and say "yep it was dirty and i ment to hit him dirty because i wanna cripple him?". No they spin and get someone to write them a apology to get out of it.

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The NFL lowered the boom on management authoritatively. As abhorrent as the GW audio is, it does not constitute evidence of a pay-for-injure scheme to justify player sanctions.

They'll have to provide some of the abundant evidence to the NFLPA before going any further.

I seem to remember someone mentioning "50,000 pages of doccuments." Surely they still have those handy.

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Per Albert Breer ‏twitter @AlbertBreer

Drew Brees, Scott Fujita and DeMaurice Smith just arrived at 345 Park to meet with NFL officials

Smith, Fujita and Brees are presumably here to speak about the bounty situation. We're here outside the building. Union declined comment.

Here's the NFLPA's statement on their knowledge of the Gregg Williams tape: "The NFLPA was aware of the existence of the Gregg Williams ...

(NFLPA cont) "... audio prior to its release. We learned of the tape as part of our effort to obtain any and all information ...

(NFLPA cont): "... related to an alleged pay-to-injure scheme. We had no control of the content and did not make a determination ...

(NFLPA cont) "... on the method of its release. To date, the NFL has not provided the NFLPA with detailed evidence of the existence ..."

NFLPA cont) "... of such a program."

NFLPA lawyers Richard Berthelsen and Heather McPhee, and outside counsel Richard Smith, of Fulbright, just went in as well

Also here for the union is NFLPA president Domonique Foxworth. This meeting is expected to last a couple hours. Bounties on the agenda

Both the union and the league have officially declined comment on the meeting taking place here at 345 Park

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The fact the PA even had the gull to send them 2 is a joke. Saints fans wanna say proof. Its not about proving them guilty. Its about them finding ways to get out of any proof they have. Like the Audio. The PA could have released it but chose not to and pretend they had nothing. Why? because it hurts their case. They would rather keep stuff like that secret until they can find a way around it. Like a defense lawyer. Its not about proving guilt. Its about finding ways out of it.

you do realize that the NFLPA didnt have the right to release that tape. the lawsuit against them would of been epic which would of probaly had the tape wrapped up in court and not be used against the saints

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you do realize that the NFLPA didnt have the right to release that tape. the lawsuit against them would of been epic which would of probaly had the tape wrapped up in court and not be used against the saints

Why not? If the tape was submitted to the PA, why could they not release it? NFL security is doing the investigation. The PA is just a union. Nothing more nothing less. Their only job is to protect players at any cost. So yes if that tape had proof the players where innocent you cant better believe they would have released it the day they got it.

There was already a story (sorry i dont have the link) that talks about why the PA did not want the audio released and the fact its hurts their case.

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Why not? If the tape was submitted to the PA, why could they not release it? NFL security is doing the investigation. The PA is just a union. Nothing more nothing less. Their only job is to protect players at any cost. So yes if that tape had proof the players where innocent you cant better believe they would have released it the day they got it.

There was already a story (sorry i dont have the link) that talks about why the PA did not want the audio released and the fact its hurts their case.

all ive seen is that the NFLPA was AWARE of the tape, not that they had it

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We didn’t get any meaningful evidence, or any meaningful truth or facts,” Brees said, according to Albert Breer of NFL Network.

Many fans have responded to Brees’ claims with a high degree of skepticism, given that he has a clear and direct interest in proving that there was no bounty system. Not only would such a finding ensure that the Saints will have a full complement of defensive leaders like linebacker Jonathan Vilma in 2012, but it also would block the application of an unofficial asterisk to the team’s Super Bowl win in 2009.

For that reason, the NFLPA should have considered keeping Brees and former Saints linebacker Scott Fujita away from the process of negotiating with the NFL — or at a minimum away from becoming the face or voice of the union’s position. Indeed, having Brees address the effort on behalf of all players potentially undermines the NFLPA’s position by tying it to the Saints’ obvious, knee-jerk interest in minimizing the punishment and/or the stigma.

To the extent that the NFLPA hopes to separate Brees’ role as a member of the Saints and his involvement in the talks as a member of the NFLPA Executive Committee, new NFLPA president Domonique Foxworth wasn’t as convincing as he could have been. “It’s mostly coincidental that Drew and Scott are here, they’re also Executive Committee members, so they’re here to serve their duties as executive committee members, not necessarily as members of the Saints,” Foxworth said, per Breer. “Obviously Drew is, and Scott was a member of the Saints, that’s true. But their capacity here is as Executive Committee members.”

Thus, Brees, the Saints, and the NFLPA would be better off by making the lines even more clear, allowing Brees to avoid an obvious conflict of interest arising from his desire to keep his team competitive and his Super Bowl ring legitimate, and his duty to protect the players who were targeted by any bounties.

As a result, the best players to involve in the discussions between the union and the league would be men who were actually in the crosshairs of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, like Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, Panthers quarterback Cam Newton, 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, 49ers running back Frank Gore, 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree, and/or 49ers receive Kyle Williams. If/when one of those men declares publicly that there’s no evidence of a bounty system, fans will regard their words with a far greater degree of credibility.

http://profootballta...ce-of-bounties/

See its clear to everyone, they should not be involved and its almost insulting to think 2 head people for the PA where on the team involved in this conspiracy and covering it up. The hammer has lowered on the coaching staff yet 2 people are the 2 main people the PA sends. They also say they haven't seen any proof. Yet they where on that team and 1 was involved.

See im not the only one who believe this is screwed up. They are clearly the worst people to have involved especially after there was a cover up for 3 years!!!!!

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http://profootballta...ce-of-bounties/

See its clear to everyone, they should not be involved and its almost insulting to think 2 head people for the PA where on the team involved in this conspiracy and covering it up. The hammer has lowered on the coaching staff yet 2 people are the 2 main people the PA sends. They also say they haven't seen any proof. Yet they where on that team and 1 was involved.

See im not the only one who believe this is screwed up. They are clearly the worst people to have involved especially after there was a cover up for 3 years!!!!!

so what if they were on the team. What if they dont think they did anything wrong.

and your clear to EVERYONE is actualy YOU (a falcon Fan) and Florio ( a true vikings fan and a saints hater)

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so what if they were on the team. What if they dont think they did anything wrong.

and your clear to EVERYONE is actualy YOU (a falcon Fan) and Florio ( a true vikings fan and a saints hater)

I cant speak for Florio, but for Me i think im clear im a falcons fans. As a falcons fan i think its clearly in our rules that any scandal the saints are involved in we are to be against. Im almost positive thats in the saints fanbook rules and regulations as well revolving all things Vick or falcon related.

Now if they dont think they did anything wrong they must be high. Considering ummm a HC losing over 5 mill in cash. If i wasnt in the wrong, i would be letting the world know about it. So im pretty sure all parties involved know they did something wrong and know their is proof of that.

The Fact they are on the team as said in the article i linked that itsa conflict of interests. They clearly have personal vested interests in what is said and done concerning this. As PA reps they should represent the PAs not only accused but those targeted.

They should not have a agenda of trying to keep all their starters on D from being suspended or any other agenda of personal concern like *.

Goodell has already chopped the head off the snake, but the body is still kicking. He has to finish the job and Brees is trying to prevent that not for the players who where targeted, but for his team mates who he doesn't wanna see suspended. The Browns players is 1 standing accused, of course he doesn't wanna get suspended. So both have agendas that far reach beyond just PA duties that a uninvolved players might represent.

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I cant speak for Florio, but for Me i think im clear im a falcons fans. As a falcons fan i think its clearly in our rules that any scandal the saints are involved in we are to be against. Im almost positive thats in the saints fanbook rules and regulations as well revolving all things Vick or falcon related.

Now if they dont think they did anything wrong they must be high. Considering ummm a HC losing over 5 mill in cash. If i wasnt in the wrong, i would be letting the world know about it. So im pretty sure all parties involved know they did something wrong and know their is proof of that.

The Fact they are on the team as said in the article i linked that itsa conflict of interests. They clearly have personal vested interests in what is said and done concerning this. As PA reps they should represent the PAs not only accused but those targeted.

They should not have a agenda of trying to keep all their starters on D from being suspended or any other agenda of personal concern like *.

Goodell has already chopped the head off the snake, but the body is still kicking. He has to finish the job and Brees is trying to prevent that not for the players who where targeted, but for his team mates who he doesn't wanna see suspended. The Browns players is 1 standing accused, of course he doesn't wanna get suspended. So both have agendas that far reach beyond just PA duties that a uninvolved players might represent.

and goodell doesnt have an agenda?

its all about money bro.

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I know.

FIFTY

THOUSAND..

That's gotta be the "buggest" joke to which this thread refers, right?

I would be willing to bet most of my life's savings that the majority of the "50,000 pages of documents" is just a printout of every single email the Saints had over a 3 year span. Most of those emails of course would be deemed irrelevant except for that one comment in the email that said "Put me down 5000 for Aaron Rodgers". And as we all know, Rodgers was hardly touched in that game.

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and goodell doesnt have an agenda?

its all about money bro.

Yep, it's now what? 1,186 former players that are involved in the pending lawsuit?

They will make the argument that they moved the kickoff back, made changes to the way players can be hit above the shoulders and below the knees, added concussion specialists, changed the rules on how soon players can play after getting concussions (7 consecutive days of non-concussion like symptoms), and of course the harshest penalties in the league's history to a team they accuse of running a "pay to injure" scheme. Maybe those changes will soften the blow of how much money they stand to lose in the lawsuit, but most, if not all, of those players played in the league long before any of those changes were made.

Personally, I do think the lawsuit is ridiculous. How many of these guys are suing high schools or the NCAA for the same reasons? The NFL is a money machine, that's why they're being sued. I did research a number of years ago and still remember the stat.... football players average 1 concussion in high school, 1-2 in college, and 1-2 in the NFL. The NFL is no more dangerous than any other level of the sport, it just makes more money.

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