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We’ve talked a lot this offseason about how the salary cap has prevented the Falcons, Panthers and Saints from doing everything they would like in free agency.

Well, guess what? The 2013 free-agency period is pretty much guaranteed to be even quieter than this year. Even the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who made a huge splash in free agency, are likely to join the club.

I got a look at what all NFL teams currently have committed toward the 2013 salary cap and the picture isn’t very pretty. The Saints have been back-loading contracts, the Bucs have been front-loading them and the Falcons and Panthers have done some restructuring that takes up more 2013 cap room.

ESPN’s John Clayton previously reported that the cap is supposed to go from $120.6 million to roughly $120.9 million in 2013. That’s an increase of only $300,000 -- not good news for any NFC South team.

The Carolina Panthers already have $118 million committed toward the 2013 salary cap and that’s with only 42 players under contract. Only four teams have more cap room committed to 2013 than the Panthers; Philadelphia leads the league with $134 million committed to 45 players. And remember: The Panthers haven’t even drafted their 2012 rookies yet. Once they draft and sign those guys, they’ll be over the projected salary cap.

The rest of the NFC South isn’t in much better shape for 2013. Tampa Bay fans can stop griping about ownership being cheap. The Bucs already have $112.2 million committed to 45 players and this year’s draft class likely will put them very close to next year’s cap.

The Falcons have $108.7 million committed to 42 players in 2013. Throw in this year’s rookie class and a possible contract extension for quarterback Matt Ryan and the Falcons aren’t likely to have much room to work with.

The Saints currently are fourth in 2013 in the NFC South with $108 million committed to 42 players. But that number is extremely misleading. Quarterback Drew Brees isn’t one of those 42 players. Brees currently is carrying the $16 million franchise tag for 2012. Brees and the Saints want to work out a long-term deal. If they do that this year, it’s unlikely they could structure a contract in which Brees' 2013 cap figure could be less than about $18 million, which would put the Saints well over the projected cap.

Clayton has reported that the bump in the 2014 cap will be similar to the increase from 2012 to 2013. So let’s say the 2014 cap is a little over $121 million. I also got a look at what each team has committed toward the 2014 cap, and that’s when things should get a little better for NFC South teams, with one big exception: Carolina. The Panthers already have $117.2 million committed to 26 players. Only Philadelphia ($117.3 million) has more committed to the 2014 cap.

The Saints have $83.3 million committed toward 19 players. Again, Brees isn’t one of them. If he does get a new contract, his 2014 cap figure easily will put the Saints over $100 million.

The Buccaneers and Falcons are in much better shape for 2014. The Buccaneers have $79.8 million committed to 21 players and the Falcons have $75.6 million committed to 18 players.

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No sure how we're in that bad of a spot. We're at 108 and with the rookie class this year that will put us as like 111. I am not sure how extending Matt Ryan would hurt us, he's not a free agent until 2014 so his cap number next year is already included in that figure. Big names who could be gone- Dunta~ 8 million, Turner~5.5 million. That alone puts us under 100 mil to 97.5 mil and therefore like 22.5 mil to work with. We're fine.

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No sure how we're in that bad of a spot. We're at 108 and with the rookie class this year that will put us as like 111. I am not sure how extending Matt Ryan would hurt us, he's not a free agent until 2014 so his cap number next year is already included in that figure. Big names who could be gone- Dunta~ 8 million, Turner~5.5 million. That alone puts us under 100 mil to 97.5 mil and therefore like 22.5 mil to work with. We're fine.

Yeah I think we're in a managable situation but I knew the Saints had been backloading contracts thinking the cap would spike with the new TV money so I was wondering how much cap room they should have in the future.

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Yeah I think we're in a managable situation but I knew the Saints had been backloading contracts thinking the cap would spike with the new TV money so I was wondering how much cap room they should have in the future.

It's got to be a factor into the tough time they've been having re-signing Drew Brees for the long-term. They know that if they "show him the money" they're not going to have the cap room to pay anyone else.

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Yeah I think we're in a managable situation but I knew the Saints had been backloading contracts thinking the cap would spike with the new TV money so I was wondering how much cap room they should have in the future.

Think they're more likely taking a shot to win a championship in the next couple of years.

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Yeah the Saints look to be screwed for at least the next two years which is music to my ears.

Yet some people here see them signing more players to very backloaded contracts (to play out of position, no less), and want us to do the same.

Yeah, I'd like the Falcons to be cap-f*cked and forced to make huge cuts and restructures in the future too. rolleyes.gif

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Think they're more likely taking a shot to win a championship in the next couple of years.

More like they're trying to do it next year while Payton is suspended unless they plan on doing it without Brees.

You saw that if they re-sign him his cap hit is probably going to be around 18 million and they're going to have to cut quite a few players. If they tag him again then "The second year must include at least a 10 percent increase over his previous salary or the average of the top five players at his position, whichever is higher."

So either way unless they plan on getting rid of Brees they're going to have a tough time fitting him under the cap without making some significant changes... and if you consider how they've restructured and backloaded all the contracts this year it's going to be tough.

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More like they're trying to do it next year while Payton is suspended unless they plan on doing it without Brees.

You saw that if they re-sign him his cap hit is probably going to be around 18 million and they're going to have to cut quite a few players. If they tag him again then "The second year must include at least a 10 percent increase over his previous salary or the average of the top five players at his position, whichever is higher."

So either way unless they plan on getting rid of Brees they're going to have a tough time fitting him under the cap without making some significant changes... and if you consider how they've restructured and backloaded all the contracts this year it's going to be tough.

Well, they do have fewer draft picks to signrolleyes.gif

Still think their plan is to try and win the next 2 years, and then go through a couple of years of cap he## and basically start re-building.

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Still think their plan is to try and win the next 2 years, and then go through a couple of years of cap he## and basically start re-building.

Basically. They're trying to ride Brees' time in the league out, and once he retires they'll deal with the terrible cap problems that have accumulated and start cutting and trying to rebuild.

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What the author fails to take into consideration is that we really don't have many players hitting free agency next year so we likely will have a majority of the remaining money free to use rather than chewing it all up to resign people.

Per KFFL here are our free agents for 2013:

http://www.kffl.com/...=By+Team&y=2013

Walker and Palmer could easily be brought back for a song and a dance (if we want them back). Turner, Ovie, Tony and Todd are all nearing the end so we will probably take the opportunity to get younger anyway.

And, extending Ryan should actually help because most contracts are cap friendly early on... so an extension may actually lower his cap hit for next year.

I think we will be fine.

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No sure how we're in that bad of a spot. We're at 108 and with the rookie class this year that will put us as like 111. I am not sure how extending Matt Ryan would hurt us, he's not a free agent until 2014 so his cap number next year is already included in that figure. Big names who could be gone- Dunta~ 8 million, Turner~5.5 million. That alone puts us under 100 mil to 97.5 mil and therefore like 22.5 mil to work with. We're fine.
there not including possible cutes only signings which make this kind of pointless... Cause your right, if dunta and turner was gone then we would have plenty of space....
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We'll see how this thing plays out for sure, Loomis is a cap wizard, so I'm sure he's got some sort of plan, it's not like they go into this stuff blind. They just may have to keep things quiet, but they've got a lot of pieces there already, but that team relies on Drew Brees big time, they have to keep him, if not, then they are no threat.

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No sure how we're in that bad of a spot. We're at 108 and with the rookie class this year that will put us as like 111. I am not sure how extending Matt Ryan would hurt us, he's not a free agent until 2014 so his cap number next year is already included in that figure. Big names who could be gone- Dunta~ 8 million, Turner~5.5 million. That alone puts us under 100 mil to 97.5 mil and therefore like 22.5 mil to work with. We're fine.

Yep. And it's not taking into account the fact that Grimes will either have a more cap friendly deal worked out, or he will be gone.

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No sure how we're in that bad of a spot. We're at 108 and with the rookie class this year that will put us as like 111. I am not sure how extending Matt Ryan would hurt us, he's not a free agent until 2014 so his cap number next year is already included in that figure. Big names who could be gone- Dunta~ 8 million, Turner~5.5 million. That alone puts us under 100 mil to 97.5 mil and therefore like 22.5 mil to work with. We're fine.

Throw in TG's last year this year which is another 5.5-6 mill cap relief to I to think we arer in alot better shape than people realise.

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where are the loomis fans now?

Right here.

The Saints will do what every good team does each year...cut overpriced veterans who are declining in production. That opens new cap space.

There isn't one person in these forums who truly understands the NFL cap.

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Right here.

The Saints will do what every good team does each year...cut overpriced veterans who are declining in production. That opens new cap space.

There isn't one person in these forums who truly understands the NFL cap.

That would mean you don't either, right? There are actually several posters here that do understand the cap well. You never know all the details because you don't have the exact language of the contract, doesn't mean you can't draw some conclusions.

Anyone can see a general trend for a team. Saints have, after Brees signs, 100 million+ committed for 20 players in 2014. They'll be over the salary cap for 2013 when they sign Brees.

That's not sustainable for long-can do it for 2-3 years, but it will catch up to you.

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