tobyd77 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I've been reading little articles and heard from Smitty that Nolan had some great 3rd down packages and that they will be doing some different things when it comes to the personnel groupings on 3rd down so my question is will there be a place for BVG's most loved 3-3-5 defensive playbook during 3rd down situations?While you are answering I would like to leave with you something Nolan said about the 3-3-5 defense when asked could you ever use it as a base defense. I think you will find this interesting and keep in mind that the receiving TE has become a bigger part of the game now as it has ever been and now some teams are going to the two TE sets. This should set the stage for what Nolan is about to say in response to a fan that wanted to know.Q: Is there ever a chance an NFL defense will play a 3-3-5 defense asa base defense? Why or why not? Thank you, Mark DenizA: Obviously there are 11 guys on the field and the predominantdefenses that are played today are either a 3-4 or a 4-3, but I willsay that if you look at our Cincinnati game, we played something verysimilar to a 3-3-5 which you are referring to. It's very rare in theNFL and basically it stacks three players on top of three linemen,leaving five defensive backs in the game. I think this is somethingyou can do without a tight end in the game, but with a tight end inthe game most defenses in that particular configuration would be out-flanked to the side where they didn't cover up the tight end. It hasa place in our game, but I don't think it's an every down defense.I know Smitty and them can't say certain things but I'm going to say it for him I hated the 3-3-5 defense on situations where I felt we need to get pressure on the QB and sack him or try and make him throw it away with a full four front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Yep, I think had we not played as much 3-3-5 we'd have gotten more sacks and pressures... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheIdowu Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Although I love the 3-3-5 in the nickel . . . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaJoe Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Yup. That D was a FAIL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I hate that defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Going to show my ignorance againHow is a 3-3-5 different from a nickel back formation???reson-- everything I've been reading says teams are moving to more and more nickel back formations as the passing game keeps increasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya_boi_j Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Going to show my ignorance againHow is a 3-3-5 different from a nickel back formation???reson-- everything I've been reading says teams are moving to more and more nickel back formations as the passing game keeps increasing.Going to show my ignorance againHow is a 3-3-5 different from a nickel back formation???reson-- everything I've been reading says teams are moving to more and more nickel back formations as the passing game keeps increasing.you can easily have 4 DL, 2 LB and 5 DB. OR 2 DL, 4 LB and 5 DB. OR 1 DL, 5 LB/DL, 5 DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobyd77 Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share Posted April 1, 2012 Going to show my ignorance againHow is a 3-3-5 different from a nickel back formation???reson-- everything I've been reading says teams are moving to more and more nickel back formations as the passing game keeps increasing.you can easily have 4 DL, 2 LB and 5 DB. OR 2 DL, 4 LB and 5 DB. OR 1 DL, 5 LB/DL, 5 DByou hit the nail on the head but BVG thought it didn't work. For those that thought Smitty was controlling what BVG was doing I don't believe that because BVG just 3-3-5ed himself out of the NFL. Good luck continuing to use that in the college ranks it may work there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 3-3-5 as used by Nolan would be a much different thing that used by BVG. BVG used it to rush 3 and drop 8 into coverage. If Nolan uses it, he would rush 4-5-6, but the opponents would never know which 4-5-6.Moore staying healthy would help as well, he could play the LB/safety role you need to make that configuration work. If Biermann or Edwards can cover a little, then there would be enough versatility to make the 3-3-5 a very effective look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Now he said that we shouldnt use that when a TE is in the game..but if im nnot wrong we playedthat coverage almost all the time when a TE was on the field.. hmm BVG SMH!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Aw, c'mon guys! Didn't you love it when that formation was called in 3rd and short situations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobyd77 Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share Posted April 1, 2012 Now he said that we shouldnt use that when a TE is in the game..but if im nnot wrong we playedthat coverage almost all the time when a TE was on the field.. hmm BVG SMH!!!Well that about sums that up but hey maybe that will work for him in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Well that about sums that up but hey maybe that will work for him in college.i hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyborneC-Falcon4Life Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Yeah I hope we dont run it next season. I dont think we got the Defensive Tackles to play that Defense. We need 2 interior defensive lineman and ends on the field at all times. But thats just my opinion I dont care as long as we win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Cooper Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I'd rather sub a NB for a MLB than for a DL too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENERALZOD Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) you hit the nail on the head but BVG thought it didn't work. For those that thought Smitty was controlling what BVG was doing I don't believe that because BVG just 3-3-5ed himself out of the NFL. Good luck continuing to use that in the college ranks it may work there.Oh yeah, I agree. It's going to be interesting seeing what Nolan does, that's what's so awesome about him being the new DC, HE CAN DO IT ALL so if something isn't working depending on how he sets up the schemes he can throw anything against any team. I like that option with Nolan. What I am getting at I guess is, Nolan knows defenses and will make adjustments where BVG would just keep throwing the same things out there wondering why it wasn't working. Same with Mularkey on offense "Predictable" IMO. JMO.............. Edited April 1, 2012 by GAFALCONFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENERALZOD Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I hate that defense.I guess well just have to see K.O.G. I hope Nolan is as good as advertised, and I hope the players respond as good as I've heard they do to his coaching in the past regardless of the schemes he uses. I like the idea of Nolan being diverse with his schemes, that says to me there's not much he hasn't seen that can confuse him. How that translates to defensive production I dunno, but I do have high hopes. I feel much better going into this Falcons season with Nolan as the DC than I ever was with BVG being the DC. We shall see................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCal Falcon Fan Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I believe that there will be some form of hybrid 3-3-5 in Nolans Defense. This will be evident once the draft is done. Let's see what develops during the draft with the defensive players that are drafted. If a physical beast of a DT is drafted then you will see the 2-4-5 hybrid develop predominantly due to the the DL and LB youth and speed that gets played. JA55 will be a predominant edge rusher with a physical DT and 4 youthful/speed LB's backed by nickel corners and 2 hard hitting Safety's. Nolan ran this quite a bit on the 49ers and had the youth to move it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSmackDaddy Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Now he said that we shouldnt use that when a TE is in the game..but if im nnot wrong we playedthat coverage almost all the time when a TE was on the field.. hmm BVG SMH!!!3rd and 16? I can't recall if that is what defense we were in or not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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